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Can I remove my personal data from GenAI training datasets?
- bmitc 3y agoIn general, we need a data bill of rights. Corporations are enslaving us digitally, and I feel it's reaching a boiling point.
- andybak 3y agoThere's plenty of AI being trained by hobbyists, artists and enthusiasts too.
- graphe 3y agoThere are zero incentives for them to comply and zero ways a person can make them accountable. If your SSN can be leaked and nothing will happen why would they care about scrappable pictures? The only times they care are when it can cost them money. SD didn't care about visual artists but could not do the same for generative music since the rights are managed by deep pockets.
- thelittleone 3y agoAI might lead to more paywalled sites which would suck.
- happytiger 3y agoFrankly, and not directed personally, but that’s not really true. Government can make the incentive — and has. Legislation can put the teeth in societal goods like this even if financial incentives don’t. California has done exactly this with their right to be deleted law. https://www.foley.com/en/insights/publications/2023/10/california-expands-data-deletion-rights-brokers#:~:text=By%20January%201%2C%202026%2C%20the,associated%20service%20provider%20or%20contractor https://www.foley.com/en/insights/publications/2023/10/calif....
- graphe 3y agoThe two parties are the state and the data brokers. The individual has no way to do this on their own. But you're right, it doesn't have to be true. Maybe someone will have precedence and sue a company. Until then I am convinced it is true.
- happytiger 3y agoFair enough. I respect your logic.
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- Retric 3y agoThe complete lack of power or ownership of your work. Do you think anyone consented to have AI companies scrap GitHub etc?
- pixl97 3y agoEh, you borrowed from society to create 'your work' and now you want to lock it up like you've created it wholly.
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- cratermoon 3y agoNo, it's the generative AI companies that are taking from society all the data and locking it up in their opaque models and selling that as if they created it wholly.
- Retric 3y agoBy that standard no copyrighted works have any protection, except clearly that isn’t the world we live in.
- porridgeraisin 3y agoHow I wish it was
- ClumsyPilot 3y agoAbsolutely, I am happy to give back to society if AI overlords do the same - make models and datasets opensource. Kinda hypocritical to infringe on copyright while expecting protection themselves
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- happytiger 3y agoI just finished getting downvoted in another thread for writing these very words. Couldn’t agree more.
- ilamont 3y agoNot just personal information. Blogs, commercial content, news articles and more. Check out the Allen Institute for Artificial Intelligence's C4 dataset to see if anything you wrote was ingested: https://c4-search.apps.allenai.org https://c4-search.apps.allenai.org Love the disclaimer: "The dataset is released under the terms of ODC-BY. By using this, you are also bound by the Common Crawl Terms of Use in respect of the content contained in the dataset."
- moose4400 3y agoNow's a good time to scrub your online identity before things get worse.
- jprete 3y agoThe article weasels out at the end by claiming that companies “may be unable to comply” with requirements to delete personal data. It’s easy to comply - if there’s no other choice then you delete the model and all backups and derivative data that was trained in flagrant violation of the law.
- soulofmischief 3y agoWhich law is that?
- john-radio 3y agoThe post that you're responding to doesn't make any claim about the law; it expresses that the defense that an AI company might be "unable to comply" with a command to remove user data is not an honest one.
- soulofmischief 3y ago"flagrant violation of the law" heavily implies that OP has some strong feelings around this, and I want to know what law they think is potentially being flagrantly violated.
- batch12 3y agoI was daydreaming about other possible ways to comply, but I don't know if they'd really work in practice. Ideas like: - Supply copywritten keywords and approved responses to try and retrain the model. - Train the copywritten content again with inverse weighting. I imagine this one wouldn't really work well and still keep the model performance up...
- ivalm 3y agoFor most companies “deleting the model” is equivalent to dissolving the company so that is equivalent to not being able to comply. More realistically what they would need to do is exit the market of the country that has such stupid laws.
- valianteffort 3y agoI don't get it, you put that information on the internet, you have no expectation to privacy. But now maybe you learned a lesson, and you won't publicly share things you don't want people to see?
- stingraycharles 3y agoThe “right to be forgotten” is an explicit right in the EU, which I think applies here.
- constantly 3y agoEU rights do not apply in the US.
- dantheman 3y agoThe 'right to be forgotten' isn't a right.
- niemandhier 3y agoTrue but globally operating corps are subjects to all kind of national laws and as soon as you have any presence in the EU those regulations apply. An online shop in Germany once removed Cuban cigars because of US trade sanctions. ClearView just declared to ignore the right to be forgotten, even for EU citizens. It will be interesting to se how this plays out. I guess it will take a few years…
- muspimerol 3y agoNo one is implying that. But companies have to comply with laws in jurisdictions where they operate. OpenAI and other generative AI companies certainly operate in the EU.
- qweqwe14 3y agoI'm not saying that this right is a bad thing, but the reality is that it's rarely enforceable. As soon as you put something on the internet, you have every "right" to expect that it's there forever. No amount of legislation can outweigh the technical reality.
- Sparkyte 3y agoLegally they can't use your data without your consent and that data must be able to be deleted by your demand. So for GenAI to use personal information is bad and they should change its design. I advise they obfuscate the data to not contain sensitive information if they are intending to create AI around such data. Identifiable information is not a good thing. GDPR and many other laws are still applicable to what GenAI is.