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Not very - https://www.iab-forum.de/en/what-do-we-know-about-the-employment-of-refugees-in-germany-answers-to-some-frequently-asked-questions/ https://www.iab-f

Not very - https://www.iab-forum.de/en/what-do-we-know-about-the-employment-of-refugees-in-germany-answers-to-some-frequently-asked-questions/ https://www.iab-forum.de/en/what-do-we-know-about-the-employ... Less than 50% are employed 5 years after arrival, in a country with 5.7% unemployment. I imagine adults who don't speak the language, require financial assistance, etc, will be a net drain from a tax perspective on a society, esp. when you factor in the high CoL. Its hard enough for the average naturalized citizen to be a net positive from a tax perspective, let alone someone from an entirely different world. An inconvenient/unpopular, but obvious truth.

mejutoco 3y ago
That data is about refugees. You are conflating new arrivals with refugees, which is not accurate. Some people might think it is even in bad faith. What about all the other immigrants from EU or abroad whose higher education was not paid by Germany and they immigrate to Germany? Surely that is a positive. Germany is benefiting from paid-by-somebody-else qualified applicants.
- Eumenes 3y ago
  Highly educated immigrants who speak the language are a net positive, for sure.
  - flohofwoe 3y ago
    > Highly educated immigrants who speak the language The latter isn't really a requirement, at least when working in tech. I barely speak any German at all in my job, and I'm a German dude working at a German company. All companies I worked for since 2010 had English as "company language", and immigrants were in the majority (mostly from other European countries, but also US and Canada).
    - Eumenes 3y ago
      Ya makes sense, with Berlin essentially being an international airport in terms of demographics. I suppose knowing English would suffice.
dauertewigkeit 3y ago
And it is 100% Germany's fault. Many of these people could be gainfully employed if not for Germany's beurocracy. I was abroad recently, in South Eastern Europe, and was amazed to see that in some countries there are people working who have no command of the local language, and no command of English either, and communicated in single words and with hand gestures, and they probably did not have valid work permits either. But they were working, gainfully employed and doing their job well enough. The same job (in a bakery) would require a three year trade education in Germany.
- luckystarr 3y ago
  I can only agree here, because I saw it with my own eyes. If not for a group of dedicated volunteers in my town, most of the Syrian refugees would just be lost causes. The group organized transportation to job applications (it's in the sticks, no public transport, etc.), helped with paperwork, organized medical care, etc. The responsible authorities are understaffed for the problem and when staffed, you have a chance that the person in charge is actually working against the refugees. Without someone being able to read and understand the local statutes, you'd be lost.
- vinckr 3y ago
  Also your degree gets mostly not accepted for trivial reasons. I know many engineers etc. working as taxi drivers or dish washers because their (excellent!) degree gets not accepted in DE. At the same time industry is whining about "fachkräftemangel" - this could be a solved problem tomorrow if politics did not try to block immigrants wherever possible.
slashdev 3y ago
A lot of immigrant women stay home with the family, do you think that explains most of the 50% unemployment?
- thefounder 3y ago
  Why would that even matter?
  - AdamN 3y ago
    Because they're working but not in a way that is recognized by the government data which only recognizes formal labor for a proper employer. I would go so far as to say that the employment rate is effectively always 95%+ for every population and that the only question is whether people are working in the formal economy, in school, informally working, caring, or doing any number of other activities that make up our human society.
    - thefounder 3y ago
      Doing home chores does not make you employed. You can't get a mortgage with that. You don't get a pension or anything really.
      - thaumasiotes 3y ago
        > Doing home chores does not make you employed. You can't get a mortgage with that. Maybe you can't get a mortgage, but you can get a house. Is that actually worse than getting a mortgage?
        thefounder 3y ago
        >> Is that actually worse than getting a mortgage? I don't know but I think it becomes obvious that you are not employed the moment you want to move out. The house becomes a prison.
      - AdamN 3y ago

mejutoco 3y ago

That data is about refugees. You are conflating new arrivals with refugees, which is not accurate. Some people might think it is even in bad faith. What about all the other immigrants from EU or abroad whose higher education was not paid by Germany and they immigrate to Germany? Surely that is a positive. Germany is benefiting from paid-by-somebody-else qualified applicants.

Eumenes 3y ago
Highly educated immigrants who speak the language are a net positive, for sure.
- flohofwoe 3y ago
  > Highly educated immigrants who speak the language The latter isn't really a requirement, at least when working in tech. I barely speak any German at all in my job, and I'm a German dude working at a German company. All companies I worked for since 2010 had English as "company language", and immigrants were in the majority (mostly from other European countries, but also US and Canada).
  - Eumenes 3y ago
    Ya makes sense, with Berlin essentially being an international airport in terms of demographics. I suppose knowing English would suffice.

dauertewigkeit 3y ago

And it is 100% Germany's fault. Many of these people could be gainfully employed if not for Germany's beurocracy. I was abroad recently, in South Eastern Europe, and was amazed to see that in some countries there are people working who have no command of the local language, and no command of English either, and communicated in single words and with hand gestures, and they probably did not have valid work permits either. But they were working, gainfully employed and doing their job well enough. The same job (in a bakery) would require a three year trade education in Germany.

luckystarr 3y ago
I can only agree here, because I saw it with my own eyes. If not for a group of dedicated volunteers in my town, most of the Syrian refugees would just be lost causes. The group organized transportation to job applications (it's in the sticks, no public transport, etc.), helped with paperwork, organized medical care, etc. The responsible authorities are understaffed for the problem and when staffed, you have a chance that the person in charge is actually working against the refugees. Without someone being able to read and understand the local statutes, you'd be lost.
vinckr 3y ago
Also your degree gets mostly not accepted for trivial reasons. I know many engineers etc. working as taxi drivers or dish washers because their (excellent!) degree gets not accepted in DE. At the same time industry is whining about "fachkräftemangel" - this could be a solved problem tomorrow if politics did not try to block immigrants wherever possible.

slashdev 3y ago

A lot of immigrant women stay home with the family, do you think that explains most of the 50% unemployment?

thefounder 3y ago
Why would that even matter?
- AdamN 3y ago
  Because they're working but not in a way that is recognized by the government data which only recognizes formal labor for a proper employer. I would go so far as to say that the employment rate is effectively always 95%+ for every population and that the only question is whether people are working in the formal economy, in school, informally working, caring, or doing any number of other activities that make up our human society.
  - thefounder 3y ago
    Doing home chores does not make you employed. You can't get a mortgage with that. You don't get a pension or anything really.
    - thaumasiotes 3y ago
      > Doing home chores does not make you employed. You can't get a mortgage with that. Maybe you can't get a mortgage, but you can get a house. Is that actually worse than getting a mortgage?
      - thefounder 3y ago
        >> Is that actually worse than getting a mortgage? I don't know but I think it becomes obvious that you are not employed the moment you want to move out. The house becomes a prison.
    - AdamN 3y ago