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Sharp Color E-Paper Display EPoster 25.3in
- rendaw 3y agoIt's (edit: $3230, thanks for pointing that out), but AFAIK this is the first publicly available gallery plus display and it's half the price of the ACeP demo display kits from a couple years ago. I still have no comprehension of EInk's branding, so I'm not sure if ACeP is the high color thing or gallery plus is, but gallery plus is ACeP and this is gallery plus. I'd love a color e-ink art frame, but I hope maybe I can find one in a store to see first.
- carb 3y agoThe price I see converts to roughly $3250 due to the current exchange rates actually. Is $5k after shipping+taxes are factored in?
- rendaw 3y agoAh... no, my bad. Using a naive and at the moment terribly incorrect $1=100yen conversion rate plus rounding.
- nyanmatt 3y ago10 years ago that was fairly accurate, and I've been using that conversion ever since visiting around that time. Surprising to see the conversion rate move so much.
- Tommah 3y agoHuh, I was using that rate in my head too. The yen was hovering around 9/10 of a cent from 2017 until the beginning of 2022. I only noticed the drop recently.
- robin_reala 3y agoIt’s listed as ￥484,000 which is currently 3,231 USD.
- rendaw 3y agoAh, here's Deepl's translation of the product description: Rewritable color e-paper with paper-like visibility is born! Digital signage that can rewrite and distribute contents, and the installability of paper posters that can be placed anywhere, are realized at the same time. The new ePoster, an environmentally friendly product that can be displayed with 0W power consumption, will change the way information is transmitted. Constant display with zero power consumption*1 Once displayed, the display is maintained even when the power is turned off. Since no power is used except for rewriting the display, overwhelmingly low power consumption can be achieved. 1 Power connection is required for display rewriting, auto mode, and eSibnage S (sold separately) operation. Paper-like easy-to-read screen Reflective display with no backlight and a viewing angle of almost 180°. Just like paper, it is easy on the eyes even after long hours of continuous viewing and offers excellent visibility in bright locations. Thin, lightweight, and free installation The thin, lightweight design allows for easy and free installation in a variety of locations. No power cable wiring is required, so it can be installed in places where a power source is not available. Contributes to environmental friendliness About 30% of the plastic material used for the main cabinet is recycled. Recycled paper is also used for the packaging cushioning material, contributing to environmental friendliness. Replacing paper posters and POP can contribute to cost reduction and CO2 reduction in printing, sorting, distribution, and repositioning work.
- soperj 3y agoI feel like eventually this will put billboard sign replacers out of a job.
- SoftTalker 3y agoI would not think so at $3k per 25" but I don't know what the big LED billboards cost (+ power consumption) and you do see those more and more.
- jszymborski 3y agoLED's are a good comparison point. They once were hyper expensive. The thought that we'd have billboards bedazzled with them would have seemed impossible.
- amelius 3y agoFrom the picture it seems it covers only a small part of the colorspace, mostly low saturation.
- incahoots 3y ago>I'd love a color e-ink art frame, but I hope maybe I can find one in a store to see first. Me too. I see them used at small scale, like price tags at the local grocery stores (I'm told Aldi's in the US as switched to these), and I fanboy a bit when I see them used in the wild.
- wlesieutre 3y agoCan confirm my Aldi has these. They're two-color units with black and red.
- Qwertious 3y agoACeP is the multi-dye tech. Basically, there are two ways of getting color one-ink: you either get a normal monochromatic e-ink screen and place a stained-glass checkerboard over it (which sucks, and is called CFA/Color Filter Array), or you make it so every pixel has black dye, red dye, yellow dye, purple dye, etc. CFA tech is what E-ink's "Kaleido" line uses, whereas ACeP is used in the "Gallery" line. Gallery Plus means, IIRC, they have 7 different dyes in each pixel (and takes 10ish(?) seconds to refresh, with the latest model). There's also the Gallery 3, which is an 8" screen that has ~4 dyes and can actually update the screen in a reasonable timeframe for interactive use.
- rendaw 3y agoBookmarking this for reference
- derda 3y agoPhilips Professional Display has a Signage Screen probably based on the same panel available for some time. I have seen it the first time at ISE last January and it looks pretty good, considering it is ePaper. About half the price. https://www.ppds.com/display-solutions/digital-signage/philips-tableaux https://www.ppds.com/display-solutions/digital-signage/phili...
- reacharavindh 3y ago￥484,000 Or €3039
- speps 3y agoAnnouncement back in August 2023: https://global.sharp/corporate/news/230809-a.html https://global.sharp/corporate/news/230809-a.html
- qingcharles 3y agoWow, all the cool kids have their own TLD now.
- reacharavindh 3y agoI wanted an e-ink photo frame. Because these are so expensive, I’ve been thinking about hacking up a rolling box frame where high quality photos can be made into a “roll” and have motors on the top and bottom to roll up to see the next pictures. Perhaps a little diffuseD backlight would even make the printed photo pop a little. Something like this. https://m.made-in-china.com/product/Outdoor-Custom-City-Advertising-Board-and-Rolling-System-841420815.html https://m.made-in-china.com/product/Outdoor-Custom-City-Adve... Don’t know what it is called in English properly to search for such things..
- manxman 3y agoJust been to Taiwan and Japan before. This form factor of e-ink display is super new. I believe it may well be made by one of the Taiwanese shops but badged by Sharp. e-ink is a big deal in Taiwan right now. The prices should come down fairly steeply in the next year or two.
- manxman 3y agoYep the press release from sharp quotes it’s made by e-ink holdings of Taiwan.
- codethief 3y ago> e-ink is a big deal in Taiwan right now In what way? What has changed?
- neom 3y agohttps://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2023/05/18/2003799980 https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2023/05/18/200... But then: https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2023/08/17/2003804841 https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2023/08/17/200...
- codethief 3y agoThanks!
- qwerty456127 3y agoSeems to be a colour display, probably also with high refresh rate. Can I please have an ebook-grade (~1Hz grayscale) eInk display for a lower price?
- rendaw 3y agoI don't see any mention of refresh rate there. Since it's signage, I could imagine lower refresh rates, but if it's commercial maybe they do have high refresh rate requirements?
- Aaargh20318 3y agoFor personal use as a photo frame I couldn't care less about refresh rate, even if it was 5 minutes to replace the image. As long as the resolution and color space are good enough to display photos. I'd love to have a few of these in my home and then have them change the photo each night. Much easier than changing out prints of my photos.
- steveBK123 3y agoResolution is respectable it seems, roughly 3k 画面解像度 3200×1800 Not quite UHD, but more than HD.
- qwerty456127 3y agoAnd for me, dreaming of lo-fi paper-like (no animation, no unnecessary display elements, humble palette, no light emission) working and studying experience, the refresh time has to fit under 1 second (ideally somewhat higher, at least for partial updates, but 10Hz will be more than enough) and the colour space is irrelevant. I'd love either a palletre of 4-8 slightly-grayish (like I've seen on some eBooks) colours or just a good grayscale. Even a simple black-white would do.
- Aaargh20318 3y agoThat sounds exactly like e-paper devices that already exist. Something like a Kindle Scribe.
- jehb 3y agoI can't wait for e-paper to get cheaper for consumers, but I'm not looking forward to the inevitable increase in advertising displays this will accommodate when it does.
- nolok 3y agoAdvertising is one of those area where energy costs and needs don't seem to be a problem. It we could replace all "active" advertising display by e-ink, we would save an insane amount of energy. It feels like every bus stops now has one of those lcd ad screen, because good old recycled paper is not good enough anymore.
- TeMPOraL 3y agoAdvertising is a negative-sum game. If we replace all "active" advertising displays with e-ink, we won't be saving energy - that energy will be immediately put to use in making even more of even more obnoxious ads.
- lwhi 3y agoI guess they definitely are a problem; but one that the advertisers don't have an incentive to solve maybe. Will lack of backlighting cause difficulties tho?
- jychang 3y agoThat's a solved problem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5jBQKZ_mGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5jBQKZ_mGg
- silvestrov 3y agoI guess that changing the paper displays cost a lot more than people imagine when you include all the backend jobs for distribution. Being able to change the sign quickly/often for new advertisers might also bring in more money. E.g. you can now sell different advertisements on Friday versus other weekdays, and more specialized Christmas advertisement.
- throwaway290 3y agoI wish more billboards switched to color eink, but who am I kidding. Sticking blinking bright screens in people's faces is better for ad views and who cares about energy consumption.
- alwayslikethis 3y agoOr distracting drivers. Who cares if people die and their lives get ruined if we get a few more $$ per day
- Andrew_nenakhov 3y agoI wonder if these thingies can be powered by NFC sensor. Hang frame on the wall, choose the image in the app, bring phone close to frame, boom, the frame has new image.
- MagicMoonlight 3y agoThat’s an incredible idea. Wireless charging is already doable so it’s absolutely doable
- rtkwe 3y agoNot by your standard NFC, those cap out at ~50mW [0] while eInk screens consume 750-1800mW during an active update. [1] That number is probably out of date but it's tough to find good numbers quickly, maybe if you accept EXTREMELY slow updates you could do that but the display drivers probably consume a fair amount themselves. [2] It's low enough you could pair a Qi charger with the updater to power the screen temporarily. Most solutions that use eInk like adjustable price labels just put a low self discharge battery in them to allow standard devices to do the updating and those last several years before they need to be replaced depending on update frequency. [0] https://www.nucurrent.com/nfc-power-harvesting-explained/#:~:text=Power%20Harvesting%20capabilities-,cap%20at%2050mW,-%2C%20largely%20due%20to https://www.nucurrent.com/nfc-power-harvesting-explained/#:~... [1] https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/E_Ink_display#:~:text=Active%20update%20typical%3A https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/E_Ink_display#:~:text=Activ... [2] People's/site's answer defaults to the "eink uses no power to maintain an image" even when the question asked is specifically about power use during updates.
- jjice 3y agoI'm confused (and an electricity layman, so please excuse), but why would that power requirement of NFC matter in conjunction with the eInk power usage? Why can't the NFC reader be isolated from the display's power usage?
- hamandcheese 3y agoGP said: "I wonder if these thingies can be powered by NFC sensor."
- cubefox 3y agoThis is how a Gallery Plus pixel works: https://www.eink.com/upload/2023_03_20/3_20230320084544bgu5x7k9x5.gif https://www.eink.com/upload/2023_03_20/3_20230320084544bgu5x...
- numpad0 3y agoYodobashi link in HN!? Anyway, here's Sharp product page found by model number EP-C251: https://smj.jp.sharp/bs/eposter/lineup/epc251.html https://smj.jp.sharp/bs/eposter/lineup/epc251.html
- rudyfink 3y agoNotably, from an announcement link in the comments (https://global.sharp/corporate/news/230809-a.html https://global.sharp/corporate/news/230809-a.html), the expected production of the 25.3 inch model is _only 500 a month_.
- JeremyNT 3y agoMuch better link for English speakers, thanks!
- alberth 3y agoIs it common in Japan to use a .sharp TLD vs. .com/.jp?
- gen3 3y ago.sharp is a brand TLD like .apple or .ford One cool trick is to learn about a TDL is to visit nic.TLD to get info about the domain, for example https://nic.sharp/ https://nic.sharp/
- pmontra 3y ago3k... I don't know what the manufacturing cost is. Add profit to it. If it would cost 30 dollars, I'd buy many of them, hang them on walls, take them down every few months or years to change the picture. If it cost 300 maybe I'd buy one of them. At 3k, zero. Of course I'm not the target at that price point.
- kuchenbecker 3y agoTarget audience is businesses.
- Qwertious 3y agoThe manufacturing cost is astronomical, these things are typically handmade from 4 smaller screens (which are already expensive) because there's not enough demand to automate the production process. Everyone wants a giant $30 e-ink screen, but realistically they'll never be as cheap as an LCD of the same size and nobody's willing to pay even that price.
- ricardobeat 3y agoAbsolutely no way those pictures are real. That would be a massive jump in contrast and saturation from current tech.
- MagicMoonlight 3y agoI’d pay £1000 if I could get one that’s wall size, like 100 inches. I could have random cool photos and artwork cycling. It would be well worth it.
- ryzvonusef 3y agoexample of the product in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUPIoXma3XQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUPIoXma3XQ
- livrem 3y agoI dreamt about eink boardgame components. Put new graphics on tiles and small tokens to change to a new game, or to upgrade or expand a game. Maybe a deck of eink playing cards, if that is ever feasible. I never thought of having an entire eink board to play on, but now I want that as well. But it would also require a good supply of games to download. Unfortunately there has never been a successful standard file format to download boardgame graphics, so all virtual tabletops use their own (usually closed) formats.