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In English, things that are orange are often called red. Particularly, but not limited to, hair.

by mcpackieh 3y ago

HNDen21 3y ago
Wait till you find out what they call a blonde person in Croatia :-)
- 9991 3y ago
  I'm still waiting.
  - j33zusjuice 3y ago
    They call it blue.
crazygringo 3y ago
And orange juice is actually yellow. Which really blows some people's minds. "Well it's a little bit orange." No it's not, not your regular American bottled or fresh OJ. Straight-up yellow. (Not denying there are varieties that produce more orange-color juice, like tangerines. But that's not what's on 99% of Americans' breakfast tables.)
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  It's juice of the fruit-called-orange. How is that not orange juice? We don't call apple juice "red juice" or grape juice "purple juice". If there's a language in the world where the color and the fruit aren't the same word, I've yet to learn it.
  - gerad 3y ago
    But we do call it red (and white) wine.
  - marcosdumay 3y ago
    > If there's a language in the world where the color and the fruit aren't the same word, I've yet to learn it. The fruit has the color orange when it's ripe. It's probably one of the most orange things you'll see on nature. But most people don't even eat it ripe (throwing it away before that point), and the association between the fruit and the color just flies over a lot of people's heads. And yeah, the internals of most of them are yellow.
    - NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
      If the fruit were very unripe, when it has a green rind... I would still call it an orange, not a "green". It was the name of the fruit before it was the color of the fruit, if I'm not mistaken. Though, I suppose I'm only speculating there. It may have been awhile since I've eaten one, and I prefer the purple Moros anyway, but they've always seemed to be rather orange to me. Quite distinct from the flesh of a lemon, for instance.
  - monkeywork 3y ago
    >grape juice "purple juice" That I have seen
  - crazygringo 3y ago
    No one's disputing that. What's funny is that most people don't seem to realize that that the color of the juice isn't the color of the rind. Just look at illustrations of orange juice on Google Images: https://www.google.com/search?q=orange+juice+illustration&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=orange+juice+illustration&tb... Most of them are showing an orange liquid that matches the color of the orange rind. It's hilarious. Because somehow, most people don't realize orange juice is yellow, even though they might drink it every morning.
    - merry_flame 3y ago
      A perverse feedback loop has clearly emerged. It seems that in the US at least, "To further enhance color, manufacturers add up to 10 percent vividly colored mandarin orange juice as well as pigment from orange peels." [1] Further, it seems that juice colour is actually designed and kept consistent. [2] [1] https://www.americastestkitchen.com/cooksillustrated/how_tos/5648-orange-juice-color-differences https://www.americastestkitchen.com/cooksillustrated/how_tos... [2] https://www.xrite.com/fr-fr/blog/beverage-color-control https://www.xrite.com/fr-fr/blog/beverage-color-control
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  At least the fruit it comes from is actually orange (and is the origin of the name for the color I believe.) But if you ever look inside of a fresh North American blueberry, they're pale green! European blueberries might actually be blue inside, I'm not sure.
  - systoll 3y ago
    > European blueberries might actually be blue inside, I'm not sure. They’re red inside
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > Which really blows some people's minds. "Well it's a little bit orange." No it's not, not your regular American bottled or fresh OJ. Straight-up yellow. Well, it wouldn't be that weird if you were right because we name fruit juices after the fruit, not the juice color, but I’ve never seen orange juice that wasn't distinctly on the orange side of yellow, even if its more yellow than orange, including fresh and bottled American orange juices.
  - crazygringo 3y ago
    You're just proving my point, of how people insist it's still somehow orange. Sure, almost nothing is perfectly a 60° hue of yellow. But the color orange is all the way at 30°. And if you look at the HSL values of the juice in product photos like the following, you'll get hue values of around 52°: https://www.amazon.com/Tropicana-Orange-Juice-No-Pulp/dp/B07F8Z7QBQ https://www.amazon.com/Tropicana-Orange-Juice-No-Pulp/dp/B07... https://www.amazon.com/Simply-Orange-Pulp-Juice-Drink/dp/B078TT2ZKM https://www.amazon.com/Simply-Orange-Pulp-Juice-Drink/dp/B07... That's just straight-up part of the band that we call yellow. For comparison, here's the first result for "banana" in Google Images: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/building-a-better-banana-70543194/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/building-a-bet... It's 48°, even closer to orange than orange juice. Yet nobody goes around insisting that bananas are "on the orange side of yellow". It's a case of linguistics somehow trumping what we literally see with our own eyes. It's actually quite astonishing how strong the effect is, even when it's pointed out to you.
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      That's very interesting. We tend to use a lot of logic as a layer on top of our senses to tell us what we are looking at. One of the most interesting cases (which I can't find a reference for, so sorry) of this that I've come across was an accident in Amsterdam where the person whose car was involved in an accident swore that the other car in the accident had gone against traffic. But from the situation after the accident and eye witnesses it made no sense to believe this. But much later some security cam footage was submitted as evidence that showed the car that had gone against traffic somehow flipping into the position that showed them coming from the right and coming to a rest just like the final scene after the accident was. So, in spite of all defiance of logic the occupants of the first car had it right and the 'eye witnesses' and the accident investigators all had it wrong (and the occupants of the vehicle that caused the accident were lying and could probably not believe they were getting away with it). I'm sure that in the larger fraction of all accidents eye witnesses will at least get the basics right and that parties are not going to lie about what actually happened. But it's interesting how two minutes after an accident with five witnesses there are probably 10 conflicting stories about 'how it happened' and it makes me wary of any eye witness testimony, especially in less than ideal conditions (night, rain, distance etc). When I first heard about the above case the explanation was that eye witnesses probably heard the crash, looked up and immediately created a mental reconstruction of what must have happened based on what they saw and then reported this as the fact rather than to simply say that they didn't see anything until the moment of impact. I really should dig a bit more to see if I can turn up something about this case, it is very interesting given your comment because you have provided another example of what I think is the same thing.
- johnisgood 3y ago
  In Hungarian there is an umbrella term that covers both the color "yellow" and "orange". To further specify it, there is "lemon ..." (citromsárga) and "orange ..." (narancssárga). This umbrella term is "sárga" and it gets translated to "yellow", so "narancssárga" is "orange yellow", and "citromsárga" is "lemon yellow". So if you were to ask me the color of orange juice in Hungarian, I would reply "sárga", which is true, as it could be either "yellow" or "orange". Many people would still say it is "orange yellow" though, because the name of the color has "orange" (narancs) in it.
- dekhn 3y ago
  Orange juice, like milk, is complicated because it's a suspension and has subsurface scattering, which makes its behavior in different lights very different and much more complicated than "take a picture and check the HSV"). Modern american orange juice looks especially funny because (I thikn) of all the added calcium- it's more of a whitish orange which I find really off-putting.
doubled112 3y ago
I recently watched a YouTube video about how "brown" is only a colour because we call it one, but it is really "dark orange" with context.
- vijaykiran 3y ago
  This one https://youtu.be/wh4aWZRtTwU?si=OZcgqx82umx67VWo https://youtu.be/wh4aWZRtTwU?si=OZcgqx82umx67VWo probably
  - doubled112 3y ago
    That's the one.
silveira 3y ago
I heard it is because the word "orange" is much newer. There were very few things orange in Europe before they saw the tropical fruit orange. Carrots and other things that are orange today were not orange back then.

In English, things that are orange are often called red. Particularly, but not limited to, hair.

HNDen21 3y ago

Wait till you find out what they call a blonde person in Croatia :-)

9991 3y ago
I'm still waiting.
- j33zusjuice 3y ago
  They call it blue.

crazygringo 3y ago

And orange juice is actually yellow. Which really blows some people's minds. "Well it's a little bit orange." No it's not, not your regular American bottled or fresh OJ. Straight-up yellow. (Not denying there are varieties that produce more orange-color juice, like tangerines. But that's not what's on 99% of Americans' breakfast tables.)

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
It's juice of the fruit-called-orange. How is that not orange juice? We don't call apple juice "red juice" or grape juice "purple juice". If there's a language in the world where the color and the fruit aren't the same word, I've yet to learn it.
- gerad 3y ago
  But we do call it red (and white) wine.
- marcosdumay 3y ago
  > If there's a language in the world where the color and the fruit aren't the same word, I've yet to learn it. The fruit has the color orange when it's ripe. It's probably one of the most orange things you'll see on nature. But most people don't even eat it ripe (throwing it away before that point), and the association between the fruit and the color just flies over a lot of people's heads. And yeah, the internals of most of them are yellow.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
    If the fruit were very unripe, when it has a green rind... I would still call it an orange, not a "green". It was the name of the fruit before it was the color of the fruit, if I'm not mistaken. Though, I suppose I'm only speculating there. It may have been awhile since I've eaten one, and I prefer the purple Moros anyway, but they've always seemed to be rather orange to me. Quite distinct from the flesh of a lemon, for instance.
- monkeywork 3y ago
  >grape juice "purple juice" That I have seen
- crazygringo 3y ago
  No one's disputing that. What's funny is that most people don't seem to realize that that the color of the juice isn't the color of the rind. Just look at illustrations of orange juice on Google Images: https://www.google.com/search?q=orange+juice+illustration&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=orange+juice+illustration&tb... Most of them are showing an orange liquid that matches the color of the orange rind. It's hilarious. Because somehow, most people don't realize orange juice is yellow, even though they might drink it every morning.
  - merry_flame 3y ago
    A perverse feedback loop has clearly emerged. It seems that in the US at least, "To further enhance color, manufacturers add up to 10 percent vividly colored mandarin orange juice as well as pigment from orange peels." [1] Further, it seems that juice colour is actually designed and kept consistent. [2] [1] https://www.americastestkitchen.com/cooksillustrated/how_tos/5648-orange-juice-color-differences https://www.americastestkitchen.com/cooksillustrated/how_tos... [2] https://www.xrite.com/fr-fr/blog/beverage-color-control https://www.xrite.com/fr-fr/blog/beverage-color-control
mcpackieh 3y ago
At least the fruit it comes from is actually orange (and is the origin of the name for the color I believe.) But if you ever look inside of a fresh North American blueberry, they're pale green! European blueberries might actually be blue inside, I'm not sure.
- systoll 3y ago
  > European blueberries might actually be blue inside, I'm not sure. They’re red inside
dragonwriter 3y ago
> Which really blows some people's minds. "Well it's a little bit orange." No it's not, not your regular American bottled or fresh OJ. Straight-up yellow. Well, it wouldn't be that weird if you were right because we name fruit juices after the fruit, not the juice color, but I’ve never seen orange juice that wasn't distinctly on the orange side of yellow, even if its more yellow than orange, including fresh and bottled American orange juices.
- crazygringo 3y ago
  You're just proving my point, of how people insist it's still somehow orange. Sure, almost nothing is perfectly a 60° hue of yellow. But the color orange is all the way at 30°. And if you look at the HSL values of the juice in product photos like the following, you'll get hue values of around 52°: https://www.amazon.com/Tropicana-Orange-Juice-No-Pulp/dp/B07F8Z7QBQ https://www.amazon.com/Tropicana-Orange-Juice-No-Pulp/dp/B07... https://www.amazon.com/Simply-Orange-Pulp-Juice-Drink/dp/B078TT2ZKM https://www.amazon.com/Simply-Orange-Pulp-Juice-Drink/dp/B07... That's just straight-up part of the band that we call yellow. For comparison, here's the first result for "banana" in Google Images: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/building-a-better-banana-70543194/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/building-a-bet... It's 48°, even closer to orange than orange juice. Yet nobody goes around insisting that bananas are "on the orange side of yellow". It's a case of linguistics somehow trumping what we literally see with our own eyes. It's actually quite astonishing how strong the effect is, even when it's pointed out to you.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    That's very interesting. We tend to use a lot of logic as a layer on top of our senses to tell us what we are looking at. One of the most interesting cases (which I can't find a reference for, so sorry) of this that I've come across was an accident in Amsterdam where the person whose car was involved in an accident swore that the other car in the accident had gone against traffic. But from the situation after the accident and eye witnesses it made no sense to believe this. But much later some security cam footage was submitted as evidence that showed the car that had gone against traffic somehow flipping into the position that showed them coming from the right and coming to a rest just like the final scene after the accident was. So, in spite of all defiance of logic the occupants of the first car had it right and the 'eye witnesses' and the accident investigators all had it wrong (and the occupants of the vehicle that caused the accident were lying and could probably not believe they were getting away with it). I'm sure that in the larger fraction of all accidents eye witnesses will at least get the basics right and that parties are not going to lie about what actually happened. But it's interesting how two minutes after an accident with five witnesses there are probably 10 conflicting stories about 'how it happened' and it makes me wary of any eye witness testimony, especially in less than ideal conditions (night, rain, distance etc). When I first heard about the above case the explanation was that eye witnesses probably heard the crash, looked up and immediately created a mental reconstruction of what must have happened based on what they saw and then reported this as the fact rather than to simply say that they didn't see anything until the moment of impact. I really should dig a bit more to see if I can turn up something about this case, it is very interesting given your comment because you have provided another example of what I think is the same thing.
johnisgood 3y ago
In Hungarian there is an umbrella term that covers both the color "yellow" and "orange". To further specify it, there is "lemon ..." (citromsárga) and "orange ..." (narancssárga). This umbrella term is "sárga" and it gets translated to "yellow", so "narancssárga" is "orange yellow", and "citromsárga" is "lemon yellow". So if you were to ask me the color of orange juice in Hungarian, I would reply "sárga", which is true, as it could be either "yellow" or "orange". Many people would still say it is "orange yellow" though, because the name of the color has "orange" (narancs) in it.
dekhn 3y ago
Orange juice, like milk, is complicated because it's a suspension and has subsurface scattering, which makes its behavior in different lights very different and much more complicated than "take a picture and check the HSV"). Modern american orange juice looks especially funny because (I thikn) of all the added calcium- it's more of a whitish orange which I find really off-putting.

doubled112 3y ago

I recently watched a YouTube video about how "brown" is only a colour because we call it one, but it is really "dark orange" with context.

vijaykiran 3y ago
This one https://youtu.be/wh4aWZRtTwU?si=OZcgqx82umx67VWo https://youtu.be/wh4aWZRtTwU?si=OZcgqx82umx67VWo probably
- doubled112 3y ago
  That's the one.

silveira 3y ago

I heard it is because the word "orange" is much newer. There were very few things orange in Europe before they saw the tropical fruit orange. Carrots and other things that are orange today were not orange back then.