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C# has always been pretty good about evolving the language. Java has recently left the freezer and seems to be catching up as well. I don't use Java but I see

C# has always been pretty good about evolving the language. Java has recently left the freezer and seems to be catching up as well. I don't use Java but I see people excited about new releases since v11 or so.

Cthulhu_ 3y ago
Yeah, it feels like Java (the language, not the JVM or ecosystem) was stuck in limbo since generics were added in Java 5, during that time C# came out and overtook it in terms of features / developer ergonomics.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Yeah I guess the company responsible for Java going bankrupt, and having its team getting up to the grips with the new employer might have something to do with it. Still there are plenty of markets where even .NET doesn't have a presence, like real time embedded systems, factory automation hardware, copiers, mainframes, blueray players, M2M gateways, and an OS being used by 80% of the planet, as Microsoft botched their own when it was already achieving 10% in Europe. I love both platforms, however .NET cross-platform story still needs a bit of improvement versus where Java has been used in the last 28 years. And DevTools eagerness to hinder it as means to sell Visual Studio licenses doesn't help.
sproketboy 3y ago
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jk_i_am_a_robot 3y ago
C# designers have always made good choices about syntactic additions. Contrast this to modern C++ designers who jam in every new addition with the goal of total inscrutability.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  In ISO languages the features that get win are the ones that win elections rounds, currently C++ has more than 300 people voting, and submitting proposals, that is naturally a problem.
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
C# is pretty good, they have done a great job in language design. I miss using the language (TypeScript is great also). As for Java, I guess it would be more notable that they haven't moved as much if it weren't for Kotlin.

Cthulhu_ 3y ago

Yeah, it feels like Java (the language, not the JVM or ecosystem) was stuck in limbo since generics were added in Java 5, during that time C# came out and overtook it in terms of features / developer ergonomics.

pjmlp 3y ago
Yeah I guess the company responsible for Java going bankrupt, and having its team getting up to the grips with the new employer might have something to do with it. Still there are plenty of markets where even .NET doesn't have a presence, like real time embedded systems, factory automation hardware, copiers, mainframes, blueray players, M2M gateways, and an OS being used by 80% of the planet, as Microsoft botched their own when it was already achieving 10% in Europe. I love both platforms, however .NET cross-platform story still needs a bit of improvement versus where Java has been used in the last 28 years. And DevTools eagerness to hinder it as means to sell Visual Studio licenses doesn't help.

sproketboy 3y ago

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jk_i_am_a_robot 3y ago

C# designers have always made good choices about syntactic additions. Contrast this to modern C++ designers who jam in every new addition with the goal of total inscrutability.

pjmlp 3y ago
In ISO languages the features that get win are the ones that win elections rounds, currently C++ has more than 300 people voting, and submitting proposals, that is naturally a problem.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

C# is pretty good, they have done a great job in language design. I miss using the language (TypeScript is great also). As for Java, I guess it would be more notable that they haven't moved as much if it weren't for Kotlin.