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So it's legal for me to hack into European datacenters, as long as I live and work elsewhere? I'm pretty sure interpol would still track me down and try to extr

So it's legal for me to hack into European datacenters, as long as I live and work elsewhere? I'm pretty sure interpol would still track me down and try to extradite, and I'm pretty sure extradition would succeed unless I'm in Russia or the Caymans or something.

mike_d 3y ago
> I'm pretty sure interpol would still track me down and try to extradite Correct. I mentioned that in the last sentence. > So it's legal for me to hack into European datacenters This is where it gets murky. Clarview AI is scraping data uploaded to US based websites, and agreeing to terms that allow for the data to be redistributed. In your example there is a direct nexus to the EU.
- justrealist 3y ago
  It's illegal to hack into European datacenters because hacking is illegal in the US. Like if you mailed a pipe bomb to the EU and blew someone up, it's illegal under US law to murder people, it has nothing to do with EU law.
  - Scoundreller 3y ago
    ehhhhhhh, I don't think the "extra-territoriality" of US murder law applies overseas. Might get nailed for some mail/customs/explosives violation or conspiracy (if others were involved), but not the murder itself under US law. I'm sure the US would be quick to extradite though. Totally not a lawyer.
paulddraper 3y ago
> Ultimately they would need to ask the US to charge or extradite the Clearview executives under US law or an international treaty.
polski-g 3y ago
From America? No, the CFAA prohibits this.
crote 3y ago
You'll be extradited for hacking because it is illegal in both countries. That's called "double criminality". Countries will refuse to extradite you for something which is legal in that country. After all, according to them you have done nothing wrong.
- sterlind 3y ago
  It's not always illegal in both countries. NSO Group openly offers hacking services to foreign governments, so presumably it's legal in Israel (as long as the targets aren't Israelis, of course!) Not that the CEO is getting extradited any time soon, but I know they're at least sanctioned now.
  - mike_d 3y ago
    It is perfectly legal because of sovereign immunity. If NSO Group is operating on behalf of a country, it is espionage and the remedies are diplomatic. Should NSO ever choose to take on commercial customers they could be subject to criminal law.

mike_d 3y ago

> I'm pretty sure interpol would still track me down and try to extradite Correct. I mentioned that in the last sentence. > So it's legal for me to hack into European datacenters This is where it gets murky. Clarview AI is scraping data uploaded to US based websites, and agreeing to terms that allow for the data to be redistributed. In your example there is a direct nexus to the EU.

justrealist 3y ago
It's illegal to hack into European datacenters because hacking is illegal in the US. Like if you mailed a pipe bomb to the EU and blew someone up, it's illegal under US law to murder people, it has nothing to do with EU law.
- Scoundreller 3y ago
  ehhhhhhh, I don't think the "extra-territoriality" of US murder law applies overseas. Might get nailed for some mail/customs/explosives violation or conspiracy (if others were involved), but not the murder itself under US law. I'm sure the US would be quick to extradite though. Totally not a lawyer.

paulddraper 3y ago

> Ultimately they would need to ask the US to charge or extradite the Clearview executives under US law or an international treaty.

polski-g 3y ago

From America? No, the CFAA prohibits this.

crote 3y ago

You'll be extradited for hacking because it is illegal in both countries. That's called "double criminality". Countries will refuse to extradite you for something which is legal in that country. After all, according to them you have done nothing wrong.

sterlind 3y ago
It's not always illegal in both countries. NSO Group openly offers hacking services to foreign governments, so presumably it's legal in Israel (as long as the targets aren't Israelis, of course!) Not that the CEO is getting extradited any time soon, but I know they're at least sanctioned now.
- mike_d 3y ago
  It is perfectly legal because of sovereign immunity. If NSO Group is operating on behalf of a country, it is espionage and the remedies are diplomatic. Should NSO ever choose to take on commercial customers they could be subject to criminal law.