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OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones
- beacham 3y agoAs bad as I want to read past the first paragraph, it’s not even worth it to spend another second on this ad-ridden website.
- djbusby 3y agoCheckout uBlock Origin https://ublockorigin.com/ https://ublockorigin.com/
- cplusplusfellow 3y agoHow do you guys manage proper ad blocking on mobile? I haven’t gotten anything to work successfully (iOS).
- shaunkoh 3y agoPihole works pretty well for me.
- baq 3y agopaid a few bucks for adguard pro and 1blocker waaaay back. currently using 1blocker with DNS override and it does work quite well.
- hugocbp 3y agoFor iOS I use Brave. Not as good as desktop uBlock Origin, but good enough. Haven't found anything more effective on iOS yet.
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- stranded22 3y agoAt a network level, I have nextdns, and then AdGuard pro for the browser. This combination works for me
- mbakke 3y agouBO works fine on Firefox for Android.
- jshier 3y agoIf you use Safari, the blockers from the App Store work fine (I use 1Blocker). If you use a third party browser, they don't get access to Safari's blockers (for no good reason, it's all WebKit after all) so you'll need to use a browser that provides its own blocking in some way.
- wahnfrieden 3y agoThe good reason (for Apple) is that it is an anti-competitive measure
- paul80808 3y agoOn Android I use the insecure and questionable approach of Kiwi browser, which will run desktop chrome plugins including Ublock. Interested to hear if anyone has a better solution.
- SoftTalker 3y agoOn Android you can use Firefox with uBlock Origin... no? It's been a few years.
- b112 3y agoA lot of people left firefox on android, when they removed their prior version/codebase a few years back, and introduced an alpha quality product with no extensions, endless crashes, and bugs galore. It took them a year or so to even add back in extension support. and so many things lacked for a long time. I don't feel like using a product that is so horribly planned, amd executed. Sheer incompetence.
- rurp 3y agoraises hand I'm in this group. I finally gave up on mobile Firefox a few years back despite being a user and advocate for many years prior to that. The leadership and product decisions at Mozilla are indescribably bad and have done a huge amount of damage to formerly great product. Desktop Firefox still works ok, although it also suffers from too many bad product decisions. For mobile I use Vivaldi which is not bad. The adblocker isn't as good as uBlock Origin but is mostly good enough, and the builtin dark mode works really well.
- ulam2 3y agoBlokada (non playstore version)
- jerbear4328 3y agoJust flip on Reader Mode, it works great for me on most articles like this, though it is no replacement for a proper ad blocker
- jmacias 3y agoNextdns or pihole
- Roark66 3y agoSame question for android.
- falcolas 3y agoFirefox Focus acts as a content blocker, and it cleaned up tfa quite nicely.
- gattilorenz 3y agoI use Brave as a browser, works decently well and is available for Android too
- atestu 3y agoNextDNS (blocks ads in all apps) and 1Blocker for YouTube ads in Safari. Both free.
- KronisLV 3y ago> How do you guys manage proper ad blocking on mobile? On Android, I installed Firefox and uBlock Origin. It was pretty cool that the same thing I use on desktop Firefox (and other browsers) also works on mobile. Except that it seems like Chrome on Android doesn't seem to support extensions, so I basically can't fix that browser, which mostly prevents me from using it for anything. That said, I might soon get an iPhone (for developing/testing an app, which will probably also mean a MacBook, since they don't officially offer their software on other platforms), so I hope that things will work out there as well.
- harry8 3y agoPhone runs a wireguard vpn client, uses pihole to perform dns lookups [1]. I haven't noticed anything being slower with the vpn on vs off and using whatever the mobile phone company provides for dns. Pihole deals with that page well. Wireguard is pretty great. [1] I configure pihole to use a local unbound installation on the same machine but you don't have to bother with that at all https://docs.pi-hole.net/guides/dns/unbound/ https://docs.pi-hole.net/guides/dns/unbound/
- Daviey 3y agoI also use Wireguard (and also Tailscale), but the battery impact is significant such that I only use it when specifically need to. How do you find the impact?
- harry8 3y agoI'm pretty new at iphone, like 3 weeks. settings->battery claims that it uses about 10% of my battery in 10 hours, or about as much as less than 20 minutes of firefox use. I previously had an ulefone armor 9 which had vastly better battery life with a 3+ year old battery after switching off battery saver hacks and making no effort eg running wireguard 24/7, than the iphone 15 pro, which kinda sucks pretty hard. Struggles to get through a day. No idea how much of that is my fault. Settings claims basically none of it is, but can it be believed? iPhone is super expensive for a device that does so many fundamental things so incredibly badly with fixes that must have been obvious for a decade. One example of many is the sheer idiocy of silent mode. My nokia 20 years(?) ago let you set it to silent for 2 hours so you weren't stuffed if you forgot to do it manually when the thing was over. Not iphone. iPhone pings when you go to bed and put it on charge when it claims to be in "sleep mode" which is just idiotic. Sucks if your partner was asleep and that's why you wanted it silent at that time. No way they haven't got feedback on that after what, 15 years of iphone? I took them a decade to replace the old silent mode switch that changes position to silent accidentally all the time for elderly relatives so I guess that's some kind of improvement but wow. Oh before people take it personally, android sucks. And those are our only choices other than no longer participating in society.
- orangepurple 3y agoAdAway can install itself as a VPN provider on your Android phone for the sole purpose of modifying traffic and blocking content. It is not actually a VPN. https://adaway.org/ https://adaway.org/
- bigstrat2003 3y agoI use Brave, which has built in ad blocking.
- joquarky 3y agoAlso Brave lets you disable JS globally and then enable it on a per-site basis. The UX is nice; the switch to toggle JS for the current site is right under a drop-down menu in the URL bar, and it remembers your settings for each site independently.
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- jcampbell1 3y agoBrave works well enough for me.
- mhitza 3y agoThe Orion browser might be an answer https://browser.kagi.com/ https://browser.kagi.com/ I haven't personally tried this browser as I'm on Android but heard of it as I'm a Kagi subscriber.
- weberer 3y agoKa-Block! works for me on iOS. Its an extension for mobile Safari.
- wincy 3y agoI finally broke down and pay the $5 a year for AdGuard on iOS. Even blocks YouTube ads and haven’t gotten the “three strikes and you’re out” notice on that yet so I’ll keep using it as long as it works. I basically never see ads.
- hereme888 3y agoBrave or Chrome browser with your own Nextdns.io DNS setting. Brave specifically also offers to remove YT ads its mobile iOS browser. Worked for my wife, but she'll be switching to Android soon anyways.
- k310 3y agoI have been using purify, but it's like 5 years old and seems to be easily detectable by anti-adblockers. I got several as they went on sale, and am trying AdBlock Pro right now, on the theory that newer and more up to date ones will more effectively anti-anti-adblock. I found AdGuard Pro in my extensions. Must have been on sale, as it's the pricey "no subscription" version of the product. Will try if the above doesn't work out (I expect that it will)
- bazmattaz 3y agoI use Brave Browser on iOS. But I also have Safari with Adblock enabled - it’s another app you need to download.
- seydor 3y agoThe owner should quit her business and get a job at a bigtech corp
- tomjen3 3y agoNo reason to, here is an AI generated Summary (thanks Kagi): - OpenAI recently changed its core values from ones focused on thoughtfulness, impact, collaboration to ones focused on artificial general intelligence and scale. - The new core values were changed without explanation and raise questions about how core they truly were. - The top new core value is an "AGI focus" but OpenAI's definition of AGI has shifted from superhuman to average human-level intelligence. - OpenAI was originally founded to build beneficial AI but has shifted to a for-profit model, which led to co-founder Elon Musk's departure. - The company now describes itself as focused on building safe and beneficial AGI. - OpenAI's goals and self-descriptions have changed over time along with its shifting business model and leadership changes. - Questions remain around what exactly OpenAI means by AGI and its commitment to ensuring AI safety. - The new core values list comes across as vague marketing language. - OpenAI's focus now appears to be primarily on developing general artificial intelligence for commercial purposes. - The article raises concerns about OpenAI's lack of transparency and consistency in its stated goals and values over time.
- aksss 3y agoQuestions remain around what exactly OpenAI means by “open” and “ai”.
- golergka 3y agoYou can just ask GPT-4 to summarise it instead. https://chat.openai.com/share/251675a4-7b46-470e-a14e-fe6cf3c4dd5e https://chat.openai.com/share/251675a4-7b46-470e-a14e-fe6cf3...
- jug 3y ago> This shift aligns with OpenAI's intent on building beneficial AGI, although the exact characterization of AGI seems fluid Ha! I like the subtle burn (and hint that OpenAI using AGI here is not carrying a whole lot of meaning other than hype)
- pierat 3y agoAnd, this is news? Companies' core value is "make money fast and repeatable". Anything else is just window dressing to get employees to work for you and get customers to buy from you. And as companies hit the top of the sigmoid curve, they will crank every lever to extract smaller amounts of profit, while cannibalizing what made them special (hello enshittification).
- baq 3y agoNot this one's it isn't. This one's is literally "own means of production" uh sorry "own AGI". This is potentially a post-money objective. You can say a lot of things about sama but he does play high stakes games.
- srackey 3y agoYou are assuming sama is not bullshitting you about the whole “own AGI” and “capture all the value in the lightcone” gobbledygook. It sounds like a high-stakes game? Of course it does! Sama isn’t some technical wizard, but an entrepreneur. He’s marketing his (completely ordinary) company. There’s a world where ChatGPT and other GenAI tools are a multi-trillion dollar market, but where they also don’t get anywhere close to AGI, let alone some hyperintelligent machine god. Occam’s razor suggests that’s indeed the world we’re in.
- hiAndrewQuinn 3y agoOccam's razor actually suggests the opposite to be. Tool AIs want to be agent AIs, after all. https://gwern.net/tool-ai https://gwern.net/tool-ai
- srackey 3y agoSorry, you need to get off the internet if you think that the simplest explanation is that an AI singularity is right around the corner. Gwern, Bostrom, Yudkowski et. al. are terrific sci-fi writers, but I’d advise against taking them too seriously.
- kelseyfrog 3y agoHappy to see OpenAI embrace direct doxastic voluntarism.
- lacoolj 3y agohuh?
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- k310 3y agoIf the intelligence is by definition artificial, why not the core values as well? "Intense and scrappy," "Scale," "Make something people love," and "Team spirit," sound like values the San Francisco Giants are looking for in a new manager. I hope so, anyway.
- Mistletoe 3y agoThe Party said that Oceania had never been in alliance with Eurasia. He, Winston Smith, knew that Oceania had been in alliance with Eurasia as short a time as four years ago. But where did that knowledge exist? Only in his own consciousness, which in any case must soon be annihilated.
- 29athrowaway 3y agoThe are now part of the borg collective, Microsoft. OpenAI, LinkedIn, Activision Blizzard King, GitHub... many worlds have fallen to the borg.
- jjgreen 3y agoWhat will become of their technological distinctiveness?
- coffeebeqn 3y agoMS seems to be pretty hands off with all the aforementioned companies
- jsnell 3y agoDiscussed 5 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37870309 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37870309
- varelse 3y agoThe real question would be why anyone cares about empty mission statements like this anyway? Parsing them for meaning is nearly as useful as parsing your morning bowel movement to predict your day.
- palmfacehn 3y agoA younger, more naive version of myself believed corporate slogans like, "Don't be evil" Cynical takes like yours are accurate in the descriptive sense. They are useful for describing and predicting outcomes. Ideals are typically prescriptive. They call us to improve upon what is. The two concepts are not incompatible, but for many they are seemingly contradictory. People care because they have ideals. Perhaps they confuse the two concepts. Perhaps their expectations are too idealistic.
- GenericPoster 3y agoI don't see that OPs take as cynical, just realistic. Time and time again, companies, especially major ones have shown that they will always prioritize making money over everything else. The sooner people accept this, the better. People have ideals, companies do not. The people employed by those companies have ideals but its beyond foolish to think that those ideals would be prioritized over profit. Businesses don't have a conscience, people do, but that doesn't mean that the business will do the right thing. Sure, the ideals of the person and the ones the company reports can match up, but it's only through luck and not out of a sense of the greater good.
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- volleygman180 3y ago"Completely different"? All of the new values listed are practically synonyms of the former (with the exception of the "AGI focus" addition). This article is clickbait at best
- advaith08 3y agoagree with this. in their new values, they literally use the same words that were in the old ones ("unpretentious", "collaboration"). I also dont think this is a change "at the drop of a hat" as the article suggests - OpenAI's been through a major inflection point with GPT3.5/4, and the company's not the same one it was a few years ago. It makes sense to make updates to the company's core values
- zooq_ai 3y agoAlso as the organization grows, some things have to explicitly spelled out. If me and best friends start a company, we can get by "Let's do good" and we all know what that means. In an organization with 1000 spread across the globe, that doesn't cut it and good needs to be explicitly spelled out
- TheRealPomax 3y agoGiven that it's still Sam Altman, and his core value are "we market towards what will make us money", not all that different. The term "AI" has run its course, initially pulling in capital left and right, and that's drying up now that open source can do what the big boys came up with, too. So: rename the work to AGI, start a new hype train, and get the capital streams flowing anew.
- saltwatercowboy 3y agoDid I miss something? Since when is capital drying up in AI?
- isk517 3y agoI think the 'drying up' only applies to OpenAI, the capital is still there it is just being spread around to a larger number of players than a few months ago when the boom began.
- riku_iki 3y ago> I think the 'drying up' only applies to OpenAI they couldn't chew through 10B from MSFT that fast?..
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- ta988 3y agoAnd since when the "open" models are as good as gpt4...
- huijzer 3y agoSounds like wishful thinking. I wish it was true too, but it isn’t. Or is there one reliable source which has valid benchmarks showing that they are similar? Most benchmarks I’ve seen appear cherry-picked (as is the case in ML for years already. Be skeptical of benchmarks).
- what-no-tests 3y agoAny group who's core values do not include Integrity is a group to steer clear of.
- jasfi 3y agoThis isn't unusual for a startup. It isn't even something completely new, it's just a refinement.
- swagempire 3y agoIs OpenAI really a startup at this point? When did Facebook stop becoming a startup...?
- nickfromseattle 3y agoI get why the AI community is disappointed in OpenAI and skeptical of WorldCoin. But what if they are right on AGI - it's here, soon. If there is going to be a winner in the 'AI race', doesn't society want the company that 'wins' to have values similar to OpenAI's stated values? OpenAI's competitors (Google, Anthropic, etc) are for-profit organizations, their values are shareholder profits. Now I'm not arguing OpenAI will perfectly implement their stated goals. I'm sure it'll get messy. But all things being equal, we know the for-profit guys will accrue profits at the expense of society, and OpenAI has stated the opposite. Is there anyone else more credible offering better ideas?