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For people who are obviously ignorant of long covid in this thread, go read these publications and watch these videos: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanin

For people who are obviously ignorant of long covid in this thread, go read these publications and watch these videos: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(23)00053-1/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-023-01601-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-023-01601-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06651-y https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06651-y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z189Z7tS1w4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z189Z7tS1w4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYNMzaZk_iU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYNMzaZk_iU The researchers here have a specific hypothesis: > Our animal models demonstrate that serotonin levels can be restored and memory impairment reversed by precursor supplementation or SSRI treatment. While the effectiveness of SSRIs in acute COVID-19 has been a subject of debate,69,70,71,72,73,74 no systematic exploration of SSRIs in individuals with PASC has been performed to date. Our study, together with recent findings linking depression with cognitive impairment in Long COVID75 and the effect of SSRIs on vagus nerve activity,67 call for the assessment of targeting serotonin signaling for the prevention or treatment of neurocognitive manifestations. https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(23)01034-6 https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(23)01034-6

thesid 3y ago
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- PrayagBhakar 3y ago
  I’m confused why folks think long covid isn’t real? Most disease have long lasting effects. Why not covid?
  - ChrisRR 3y ago
    Just ignore them. These nutjobs are made not believing in covid the entire personality so that they could feel smart, and now they have to cling to that belief instead of accepting reality
    - Manuel_D 3y ago
      There's a vast difference between denying the very existence of COVID-19 and skepticism of long-COVID. Nobody doubts the existence of Lyme disease. The existence of Chronic Lyme disease is generally rejected.
  - orwin 3y ago
    What's puzzling is that everyone know that influenza can have long lasting effect. Even the 'no mask, no vaccine' crowd agree that Covid is at least an aggressive and more contagious influenza (and some even agree that the first variants were worse) You will still have people denying long-lasting covid damage. I mean. Viruses cause lasting damages to a small percentage of people. Covid-19 is a virus. The next step is easy.
  - psychlops 3y ago
    There will always be people out there that will never believe in things that seem rational. Covid has been the subject of misinformation on all sides for years and will take decades to clear up, if ever.
  - CWuestefeld 3y ago
    why folks think long covid isn’t real? Most disease have long lasting effects. Why not covid? Without endorsing this one way or another: that's precisely the argument. There does exist a general "post viral syndrome". Since that is already known, why jump to the conclusion that a separate post-covid syndrome exists, as opposed to this just being another example of the same?
    - thenerdhead 3y ago
      Because there are different pathogens at play…
      - CWuestefeld 3y ago
        That might turn out to be a pivotal argument. But as it is, it proves too much: it denies the existence of a general post-viral syndrome. Since we do know that viruses, as a general phenomenon, can lead to effects like what are being reported, the default assumption ought to be that this is just one more such example. From there, researchers could attempt to show that this is (or is not) qualitatively different. Skipping a known likely cause to search for something more specific seems like a potentially much more difficult path, and by pursuing it this way it also seems likely to miss out on the possibility of helping those suffering from post-viral syndrome that's not connected to covid.
        thenerdhead 3y ago
        Let's back up. Post-acute infection syndromes (PAIS) is an umbrella term. Many fall under this. Long flu(not new, but new research suggests the phenomenon based on long covid research), long rsv(not new, just more recognized when kids get it and develop asthma later in life), long covid, etc. Larger list here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01810-6/tables/1 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01810-6/tables/1 Researchers are actively pursuing PAIS and the research being done for long covid is making breakthroughs in PAIS and PAIS populations like ME/CFS. It has become so prevalent that this year there have been multiple centers focusing on it. EX: https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/post-acute-infection-syndromes-will-be-the-focus-of-new-ysm-center/ https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/post-acute-infection-... Nobody is skipping likely causes, if anything we are driving forward today on hypotheses that could help all PAIS (i.e. viral persistence, autoimmunity, chronic inflammation, reactivation of latent viruses).
- k9unit 3y ago
  Well I got COVID over a year ago and still have negative effects every day. Went to the doctor multiple times and they said I'm ok, I don't think they tested enough or looked at the right things. It's one of the worst things that's happened to me. I'm only in my 20s.
- Krssst 3y ago
  What fake disease? CDC does not say it's fake. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/...
btheunissen 3y ago
I’d been suffering from some “depression lite” symptoms, mostly generalized anxiety since 2020, maybe long covid, who knows, and a reasonably small prescription of Xoloft has had a huge change in my mood/life.
- swah 3y ago
  That's interesting - did the psychiatrist explained it like that ? I feel the same way for so many months, but also wouldn't call depressed. Just always anxious, never rested, always in a mood... I attribute to work and other stresses though.
- interactivecode 3y ago
  Im curious to learn more. Was that with a one time prescription of xoloft or are you taking it regularly?
marsupial 3y ago
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- rubatuga 3y ago
  I think it's quite unfair to automatically believe or not believe people based on demographic.
  - marsupial 3y ago
    I think it makes a lot of sense tbh if one demographic lies more often. But if I know more about them than demographic, I use that info too. For example, There was a study on this by okcupid where they found 80% of white women who claimed they were bisexual only matched with one sex. The percentage was lower for other races. It's astrology (the white woman "science") all over again, except this time for mental illnesses.

thesid 3y ago

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PrayagBhakar 3y ago
I’m confused why folks think long covid isn’t real? Most disease have long lasting effects. Why not covid?
- ChrisRR 3y ago
  Just ignore them. These nutjobs are made not believing in covid the entire personality so that they could feel smart, and now they have to cling to that belief instead of accepting reality
  - Manuel_D 3y ago
    There's a vast difference between denying the very existence of COVID-19 and skepticism of long-COVID. Nobody doubts the existence of Lyme disease. The existence of Chronic Lyme disease is generally rejected.
- orwin 3y ago
  What's puzzling is that everyone know that influenza can have long lasting effect. Even the 'no mask, no vaccine' crowd agree that Covid is at least an aggressive and more contagious influenza (and some even agree that the first variants were worse) You will still have people denying long-lasting covid damage. I mean. Viruses cause lasting damages to a small percentage of people. Covid-19 is a virus. The next step is easy.
- psychlops 3y ago
  There will always be people out there that will never believe in things that seem rational. Covid has been the subject of misinformation on all sides for years and will take decades to clear up, if ever.
- CWuestefeld 3y ago
  why folks think long covid isn’t real? Most disease have long lasting effects. Why not covid? Without endorsing this one way or another: that's precisely the argument. There does exist a general "post viral syndrome". Since that is already known, why jump to the conclusion that a separate post-covid syndrome exists, as opposed to this just being another example of the same?
  - thenerdhead 3y ago
    Because there are different pathogens at play…
    - CWuestefeld 3y ago
      That might turn out to be a pivotal argument. But as it is, it proves too much: it denies the existence of a general post-viral syndrome. Since we do know that viruses, as a general phenomenon, can lead to effects like what are being reported, the default assumption ought to be that this is just one more such example. From there, researchers could attempt to show that this is (or is not) qualitatively different. Skipping a known likely cause to search for something more specific seems like a potentially much more difficult path, and by pursuing it this way it also seems likely to miss out on the possibility of helping those suffering from post-viral syndrome that's not connected to covid.
      - thenerdhead 3y ago
        Let's back up. Post-acute infection syndromes (PAIS) is an umbrella term. Many fall under this. Long flu(not new, but new research suggests the phenomenon based on long covid research), long rsv(not new, just more recognized when kids get it and develop asthma later in life), long covid, etc. Larger list here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01810-6/tables/1 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01810-6/tables/1 Researchers are actively pursuing PAIS and the research being done for long covid is making breakthroughs in PAIS and PAIS populations like ME/CFS. It has become so prevalent that this year there have been multiple centers focusing on it. EX: https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/post-acute-infection-syndromes-will-be-the-focus-of-new-ysm-center/ https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/post-acute-infection-... Nobody is skipping likely causes, if anything we are driving forward today on hypotheses that could help all PAIS (i.e. viral persistence, autoimmunity, chronic inflammation, reactivation of latent viruses).
k9unit 3y ago
Well I got COVID over a year ago and still have negative effects every day. Went to the doctor multiple times and they said I'm ok, I don't think they tested enough or looked at the right things. It's one of the worst things that's happened to me. I'm only in my 20s.
Krssst 3y ago
What fake disease? CDC does not say it's fake. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/...

btheunissen 3y ago

I’d been suffering from some “depression lite” symptoms, mostly generalized anxiety since 2020, maybe long covid, who knows, and a reasonably small prescription of Xoloft has had a huge change in my mood/life.

swah 3y ago
That's interesting - did the psychiatrist explained it like that ? I feel the same way for so many months, but also wouldn't call depressed. Just always anxious, never rested, always in a mood... I attribute to work and other stresses though.
interactivecode 3y ago
Im curious to learn more. Was that with a one time prescription of xoloft or are you taking it regularly?

marsupial 3y ago

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rubatuga 3y ago
I think it's quite unfair to automatically believe or not believe people based on demographic.
- marsupial 3y ago
  I think it makes a lot of sense tbh if one demographic lies more often. But if I know more about them than demographic, I use that info too. For example, There was a study on this by okcupid where they found 80% of white women who claimed they were bisexual only matched with one sex. The percentage was lower for other races. It's astrology (the white woman "science") all over again, except this time for mental illnesses.