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Jobs working with the Rust programming language. No crypto

75 points by hardwaregeek 3y ago

junon 3y ago
Thank goodness. Every rust recruiter on LinkedIn seems to be crypto-shilling these days. This is exactly what I need!
rustdeveloper 3y ago
This reminds me of https://scrapingfish.com/blog/are-most-rust-jobs-in-crypto https://scrapingfish.com/blog/are-most-rust-jobs-in-crypto :)
videlov 3y ago
I wish we could go back to a world where 'crypto' means cryptography
- oleganza 3y ago
  Cryptography means cryptocurrency because that's what virtually every cryptographer was trying to achieve: cryptographically-secured interactions between people. And economic interactions are the most impactful ones. Note that (Open)SSL was created when people really wanted to make CC payments over the internet. Also: a lot of cryptographic protocols require some censorship-resistant publication medium. Wanna rotate keys and retire old ones? You need some sort of distributed transparency log. Want a human-readable name that escapes Zooko's triangle? Also need a log. These things did not exist until people got used to blockchains. Even CT log for TLS arrived only after Bitcoin, even though it does not require no mining or currency.
  - orwin 3y ago
    > And economic interactions are the most impactful ones. Can you clarify that (I don't have anything for or against cryptocurrencies at the moment, now that the biggest scams exploded I'm neutral). Do you mean economic relationships are more important than other relationships?
    - Brian_K_White 3y ago
      If you bother to secure something, that is a high correlation with that which is impactful. Some communications that fail, or leak, have less impact than others. In one case, we misunderstand each other about what's for dinner tonight. In another case, I lose my house. Next, they said 'the most', so, I'm willing to bet that if you could tally up all communications and categorize those that are impactful (worth securing for more than just default principle reasons), and all that are economic, the overlap would be larger than not. Just an impression, could be wrong, but I'm pretty comfortable it's not a wildly mistaken one and reasonable to operate on that assumption.
TotempaaltJ 3y ago
Love how simple this is. Let's see how this scales when everyone starts adding their open positiobs!
danpalmer 3y ago
Being specifically anti-cryptocurrency seems both too specific and not specific enough. Why aren't oil and gas companies excluded? Why isn't ad-tech excluded? Why aren't dodgy anti-virus companies that pray on the computer illiterate excluded? Why are all cryptocurrency jobs excluded? Why aren't jobs around blockchain analysis for fraud or tax investigations allowed? The result is a feeling that this site is an emotional response to an individual's frustrations, rather than a meaningful attempt to change the job market.
- progbits 3y ago
  Because for whatever reason a very large fraction (in my subjective view majority but I don't have the data to back that up) of Rust job offers are cryptocurrency related. Some of us just don't care for it and don't want the noise so I like the idea behind this site.
  - birracerveza 3y ago
    Then just offer users the option to filter them? What's the point of refusing to post cryptocurrency related jobs beforehand? It's weird, useless posturing.
    - progbits 3y ago
      There are plenty such sites with filters. Though the labeling isn't always accurate.
  - hcks 3y ago
    I mean when you pick a job based on the language you’ll use and it’s the same language crypto companies love you have to ask yourself some questions (esp if you hate crypto)
- Varqu 3y ago
  Speaking from my own perspective of running general tech job boards [1], I would say that too narrow job boards have a really short lifespan. This is because, you need a good supply of fresh offers to keep the audience. So if you end up to niche, you quickly become a job-ad-graveryard. Unless you scrap other big job sites automatically and somehow manage to filter and classify the jobs based on your niche. [1] https://devitjobs.uk https://devitjobs.uk and https://devitjobs.us https://devitjobs.us
anonymoushn 3y ago
Can't wait to do ethical work at Anduril!
ejlxsh 3y ago
Doesn’t work on Safari (iOS), scroll is broken so only see the top 6 or so jobs
- pard68 3y ago
  I think that's because there are only six jobs or so.
grigio 3y ago
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nxobject 3y ago
What a relief – having to filter crypto out every time everytime I scope the market and think, "this is the day I'm finally quitting scientific computation on Python!", was a minor pain point. For a type of person with a different career background, espeiclaly "switchers", it's a good sane default. (For the people who are trying to argue this is irrational and emotional – I promise you this isn't personal, and I promise you this isn't about making a clear, deeply-felt ideological stance. Truly, some tech people don't think about crypto that much.)

75 points by hardwaregeek 3y ago

Thank goodness. Every rust recruiter on LinkedIn seems to be crypto-shilling these days. This is exactly what I need!

This reminds me of https://scrapingfish.com/blog/are-most-rust-jobs-in-crypto https://scrapingfish.com/blog/are-most-rust-jobs-in-crypto :)

videlov 3y ago

I wish we could go back to a world where 'crypto' means cryptography

oleganza 3y ago
Cryptography means cryptocurrency because that's what virtually every cryptographer was trying to achieve: cryptographically-secured interactions between people. And economic interactions are the most impactful ones. Note that (Open)SSL was created when people really wanted to make CC payments over the internet. Also: a lot of cryptographic protocols require some censorship-resistant publication medium. Wanna rotate keys and retire old ones? You need some sort of distributed transparency log. Want a human-readable name that escapes Zooko's triangle? Also need a log. These things did not exist until people got used to blockchains. Even CT log for TLS arrived only after Bitcoin, even though it does not require no mining or currency.
- orwin 3y ago
  > And economic interactions are the most impactful ones. Can you clarify that (I don't have anything for or against cryptocurrencies at the moment, now that the biggest scams exploded I'm neutral). Do you mean economic relationships are more important than other relationships?
  - Brian_K_White 3y ago
    If you bother to secure something, that is a high correlation with that which is impactful. Some communications that fail, or leak, have less impact than others. In one case, we misunderstand each other about what's for dinner tonight. In another case, I lose my house. Next, they said 'the most', so, I'm willing to bet that if you could tally up all communications and categorize those that are impactful (worth securing for more than just default principle reasons), and all that are economic, the overlap would be larger than not. Just an impression, could be wrong, but I'm pretty comfortable it's not a wildly mistaken one and reasonable to operate on that assumption.

TotempaaltJ 3y ago

Love how simple this is. Let's see how this scales when everyone starts adding their open positiobs!

danpalmer 3y ago

Being specifically anti-cryptocurrency seems both too specific and not specific enough. Why aren't oil and gas companies excluded? Why isn't ad-tech excluded? Why aren't dodgy anti-virus companies that pray on the computer illiterate excluded? Why are all cryptocurrency jobs excluded? Why aren't jobs around blockchain analysis for fraud or tax investigations allowed? The result is a feeling that this site is an emotional response to an individual's frustrations, rather than a meaningful attempt to change the job market.

progbits 3y ago
Because for whatever reason a very large fraction (in my subjective view majority but I don't have the data to back that up) of Rust job offers are cryptocurrency related. Some of us just don't care for it and don't want the noise so I like the idea behind this site.
- birracerveza 3y ago
  Then just offer users the option to filter them? What's the point of refusing to post cryptocurrency related jobs beforehand? It's weird, useless posturing.
  - progbits 3y ago
    There are plenty such sites with filters. Though the labeling isn't always accurate.
- hcks 3y ago
  I mean when you pick a job based on the language you’ll use and it’s the same language crypto companies love you have to ask yourself some questions (esp if you hate crypto)
Varqu 3y ago
Speaking from my own perspective of running general tech job boards [1], I would say that too narrow job boards have a really short lifespan. This is because, you need a good supply of fresh offers to keep the audience. So if you end up to niche, you quickly become a job-ad-graveryard. Unless you scrap other big job sites automatically and somehow manage to filter and classify the jobs based on your niche. [1] https://devitjobs.uk https://devitjobs.uk and https://devitjobs.us https://devitjobs.us

anonymoushn 3y ago

Can't wait to do ethical work at Anduril!

ejlxsh 3y ago

Doesn’t work on Safari (iOS), scroll is broken so only see the top 6 or so jobs

pard68 3y ago
I think that's because there are only six jobs or so.

grigio 3y ago

[flagged]

nxobject 3y ago

What a relief – having to filter crypto out every time everytime I scope the market and think, "this is the day I'm finally quitting scientific computation on Python!", was a minor pain point. For a type of person with a different career background, espeiclaly "switchers", it's a good sane default. (For the people who are trying to argue this is irrational and emotional – I promise you this isn't personal, and I promise you this isn't about making a clear, deeply-felt ideological stance. Truly, some tech people don't think about crypto that much.)