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That is just ridiculous. Even as an employee, I believe that the company should be allowed to fire whoever they want whenever they want without justification. T
by jongjong 3y ago
That is just ridiculous. Even as an employee, I believe that the company should be allowed to fire whoever they want whenever they want without justification. The company is paying money, they should be allowed to stop paying that money whenever they want... Otherwise it's not really their money. I've been fired over things that were not my fault and I never complained.
The monetary system which creates anti-competitive tech monopolies which makes it hard for people to start companies and find jobs should be fixed yes but that is a separate issue.
- clipsy 3y ago> I've been fired over things that where not my fault and I never complained. That's stupid, why would you choose to be a punching bag?
- jongjong 3y agoWhy would I want to work for a company that does not want me, does not value my skills and where I will not be given opportunities to progress?
- kevingadd 3y agoThat's an argument for going and finding a new job, not an argument in support of your employer being able to treat you like a punching bag
- Volundr 3y agoFun fact, withholding promotion over an attempt to organize is also illegal. And in answer to your question... to feed yourself and your family?
- jongjong 3y agoOh please as if that would even make it in front of a judge. There is no way to prove that. They can say you're not a culture fit or something. There is no way that can be enforced. There are thousands of pretexts that can be used to justify a lack of promotions.
- Volundr 3y agoStarbucks is fighting this battle right now, and there has been successful enforcement in the past. It's amazing what you can accomplish if you don't just decide your beaten from the get go.
- FireBeyond 3y agoYup, here Starbucks is having to explain to Labor as to why foam floor mats for reducing fatigue are a trip hazard and must be removed if your store is attempting to unionize, but not otherwise…
- metabagel 3y agoIt’s civil, so you don’t have the same standard of proof as for criminal trials. You can try to use whatever pretexts you want, but you have to provide evidence, and the plaintiff can also provide evidence to support their side.
- tjpnz 3y agoSelf esteem issues.
- jongjong 3y agoOne time when I was younger, I was fired the day after the office Xmas party because the boss became jealous after he saw my girlfriend. Why would I want to continue working for such person? If you have valuable skills and they don't want you. Or they're a jerk or an idiot. It makes no sense to stay. I think the real self esteem issue would be staying while not being valued. That's like staying in a relationship when your partner doesn't like you.
- gdulli 3y agoAnd then everyone clapped.
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago> the boss became jealous after he saw my girlfriend. Why would I want to continue working for such person Disguisting. Why should people lose income over your bos's immaturity? You are allowing him to get away with contemptible behaviour. People in power must be held to account. you have rights, people fought for them, and if he wants to get rid of your he should cough up compensation.
- jongjong 3y agoI pick my battles. I'm constantly trying to educate people about monetary policy injustice and I worked in crypto and try to push that in a better direction.
- tjpnz 3y agoAssuming that was the reason you've potentially walked out on some kind of cash settlement. Why didn't you pursue it further?
- Gigachad 3y ago“One day I’ll be the CEO randomly firing people for no reason”
- kevingadd 3y agoSo basically you're saying you're a pushover, and other people should also be obligated to just shut up and accept any abuse that comes from their employers? Because...?
- callalex 3y agoBecause someday jongjong is totally going to be a billionaire, it just hasn’t happened quite yet, but when it does the law must be there to protect them.
- Loggias 3y ago[dead]
- charcircuit 3y agoYou don't have to be a billionaire to benefit from being able control who you employ.
- ClumsyPilot 3y agoSo don't employ people you don't like, thats what hiring process is for. This is about treating people with decency after you employed them. Apparently some people have a problem with that. You know where this leads, having no Accountability and no decency? Casting couch, sexual favours, corruption.
- jongjong 3y agoThanks, that's generous thinking. If I ever become a billionaire, I wouldn't concern myself with pinching pennies and would focus on creating incentives and rewards that support value creation. I highly doubt I would ever need more than $10 to 15 million in wealth for myself. I feel greedy for even suggesting that I may keep so much. I would probably find a way to share anything above 15m through some incentive structure.
- jongjong 3y agoNo, you should change companies or start your own. I agree though that the current system makes it artificially difficult and that really needs to change. It's because of monetary policy creating uneven playing fields that favor monopolies and centralization. Companies have an unfair advantage and leverage over employees but it's not hampered by such regulations as discussed here. These regulations just harm competent people for the benefit of incompetent people. Would a competent person need such laws when they have valuable skills?
- bugglebeetle 3y agoI’m sorry to inform you that labor laws exist in almost every developed country in the world. Most are also far more strict than the US.
- hfuyf65 3y ago[dead]
- happytoexplain 3y ago>I've been fired over things that were not my fault and I never complained. This sounds like satire. I understand some people have a strong "no complaining" culture, but that's usually in reference to hardship/burdens. Those same people are also frequently famous for not putting up with mistreatment.