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Harvard student groups issued anti-Israel statement, CEOs want them blacklisted

32 points by bryan0 3y ago

cocacola1 3y ago
At least one law student got a law firm offer rescinded over their comments – https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/winston-scraps-nyu-law-students-job-offer-over-israel-email https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/winston-...
- Melting_Harps 3y ago
  > At least one law student got a law firm offer rescinded over their comments – https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/winston- https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/winston-... This sets such a dangerous precedent, and further emboldens those who contend that the Jewish influence in media and Industry (particularly in entertainment, Law, and Media) is absolute. And was portrayed by a John Stewart, himself a Jew, so poignantly [0] nearly 10 years ago--note how these two conflicts are still ongoing and ask yourself how we got here. How this nation allows for the condemnation of the injustices of the Vietnam war, Afghanistan or Iraq under the premise of free speech but will not allow for those to oppose the vile acts unleashed by the IDF (an entirely different nations military) alone is why this should be condemned. Say what you will about them voicing a poorly informed opinion if you must, but it ask yourself: should it lead to offers being revoked and if so what precedent does it set? I get these are (often) the children of privilege and nepotism is what most have in common, but still, this is appalling: it's similar to what happened in Tokyo University during the student riots back in the late 60s during Vietnam, people are perplexed how they instilled such a conformist mindset in the abhorrent Japanese corporate culture, and blacklisting students was one of the main ways they did it. I don't have a bias anymore, I was once pro-Palestinian after seeing the IDF use white phosphorus on children in Gaza but after withholding aid and the subsequent bombings during COVID in '21 I think somethings are rooted much deeper in the Human psyche and are beyond help when people are still willing to let people die for claims of the 'Holy Land,' you'd think that after so much death and despair they would have at least agreed to a ceasefire and allowed for aid to enter during a pandemic but were denied and then bombed. Even now I just see this as senseless violence and a waste of Human Life, but just like in Bucha there will be a narrative created about how this was warranted somehow. 0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrlUzkd8Z8g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrlUzkd8Z8g
  - tguvot 3y ago
    >Say what you will about them voicing a poorly informed opinion if you must how do you differentiate between poorly informed opinions and poorly formed morals ? (in this specific case poorly informed opinion (if this is what it is) may lead to offer been revoked due to inability to perform research. sounds like a must for a law firm)
    - Melting_Harps 3y ago
      > in this specific case poorly informed opinion... It's hard to not see the IDF as a barbarous relic of it's own collective trauma from the Holocaust at this point; I personally think they are just as appalling as the German Nazis themselves and the US enables and funds this for Geo-political strategy: I believe in free speech and feel that I can make this argument without impunity as it's based entirely from decades of continual atrocities against Palestinians and overt crimes against Humanity (withholding life critical aid in a pandemic), and international killing of aid workers/activists (flotilla) documented the use of banned munitions on children as they regard them as less than Human while creating an overt surveillance state and exports this tech to other nations to use to monitor their citizens etc... and is only possible because there exists a sort of exceptional situation for Israel, but is it really any different than how the CCP treats the Uhigyers? I don't, and I think both should be condemned for their actions in a Tribunal for Crimes against Humanity alongside Putin's Russia. Except Israel gets to quell any dissent on the topic for fear of being regarded antisemitic which ultimately is used to justify their actions; just so it's clear I find the actions of Hamas reprehensible and vile, but that 'party for Peace' was only a couple of miles from the Gaza border; tell me under what possible distorted form of reality can this be justified? It was noted that the sound of the music was likely heard in Gaza it was so close. This is pretty much the conclusion that a Canadian UN peace keeping intern working in Palestine and Israel relations came to when we worked together on an unrelated job: that the victims often become the abuser and Gaza is a perfect example of how that has occurred in my Life-time. And that is what is taking place once more seeing innocent lives lost for the actions of a political extreme minority; it is these kind of actions that have made me an anarchist in the end, as it is always normal people who suffer most in these systems. That problem in-lies that a forced consensus is made: by not supporting the IDF/Israel inhumane actions, let alone claiming to be Pro-Palestine, it's made into a false equivalence of thinking you are are pro-Hamas, which is only possible if the overt censorship that I'm worried about is prevalent. If a Law firm cannot distinguish that its a more nuanced matter, but will instead crumble under such pressure one has to ask 'how come' and 'why' doesn't it? I think this a matter of censorship, with much more dire underlying issues, more than it is anything else.
sampli 3y ago
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- afpx 3y ago
  If a college group took an anti-Saudi stance, would people assume they're anti-Muslim?
  - hackerlight 3y ago
    As always, context is important. If they did it today, no. If they did it a day after 1000 Saudi civilians were killed, yes.
- clipsy 3y ago
  Amazing how, given a clear demonstration of right-wing "cancel culture" in action, the immediate response is to invent a purely hypothetical scenario to vilify left-wing "cancel culture." A clear demonstration -- as if one was needed -- that the right's objection to "cancel culture" is that they believe it is a tool only they are allowed to wield.
  - rayiner 3y ago
    Bill Ackman is a major Democratic donor.
    - dventimi 3y ago
      Non-sequitur
      - rayiner 3y ago
        Hard to claim “right wing cancel culture” when the person is an establishment democrat.
        orwin 3y ago
blah_why_not 3y ago
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coffeefirst 3y ago
I see stuff like this, and the first place my mind goes isn't to the antisemitism (it really never dies), or student-run organizations saying dumb things (again, not surprising). The first place my mind goes, is... does Harvard not teach history classes?
- nielsbot 3y ago
  What do you mean not teach history class? I am not well informed about this area—is there specific history you referring to?
  - candiodari 3y ago
    Most importantly? That history is nuanced and that no single event determines all of history. That every country invaded and conquered every single cm of land they currently occupy, with only a few stupid exceptions in particularly inhospitable places (like I believe Iceland).
- swatcoder 3y ago
  It doesn’t take much to reject someone else’s accounting of history. In fact, almost every conflict involves competing histories because they’re an essential part of establishing legitimacy for a cause. People put a lot of effort into developing persuasive ones. Histories can do a better or worse job of relating facts, but they’re never authoritative. Activists will always have their own, as will the authorities that they are agitating against.
  - refurb 3y ago
    This is a great comment. And not only that, a lot of history involves interpretation of motives, which attempts to boil down rather complex, multi-faceted decisions into one overarching motive which makes it easy to paint historical events in very positive/negative lights.
  - tcbawo 3y ago
    All histories are a simplification of reality into a digestible and memorable form. It is never the complete story. The further back you go, the more of a caricature historical figures become.
aaron695 3y ago
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blah_why_not 3y ago
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- Dlanv 3y ago
  You can. You just shouldn't tell someone it's their fault for being raped and murdered by terrorists. That's less ok.
  - blah_why_not 3y ago
    [flagged]
oatmeal1 3y ago
I'd like to read the full statement. Of course CNN doesn't link to it or provide the full text. The actions of Hamas are beyond unconscionable, but unconscionable acts by Israel in the past arguably caused the recent terrorist attacks.
- davidf18 3y ago
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- raxxorraxor 3y ago
  Not at all true.
Prickle 3y ago
I despise this kind of backlash. Everyone always says "Free speech, but not speech without consequence". But this kind of reactionary consequences are precisely why it's an issue. You don't actually have free speech, if the consequences of free speech are so great, that it becomes career suicide. Not allowed to speak against crowd, and all that entails.
- raxxorraxor 3y ago
  The concept of freedom of speech explicitly states that no punitive consequences are allowed as the result of speech. Of course there is the trivial reality that there are consequences to everything and people also have a right to disassociate with you, but at that point you indeed violate the principle. That isn't a crime, but universities should have a higher standard. The latest rather pop-interpretation of freedom of speech is rather stupid, especially in an academic context. So far so that I believe that you aren't really fit for academic education if you really believe that.
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  Non violent backlash is actually an amazing outcome considering how awful the human reaction can get.
- slowmovintarget 3y ago
  Freedom of speech is restriction on government. It has nothing to do with protecting you from your own stupidity.
- davidf18 3y ago
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bluish29 3y ago
I find that the many of the collective western reaction to this recent events is no different from some the reaction of russians against people opposing the war in Ukraine. In Germany police will harras/arrest you if you are wearing Palestinian flag even before this events. They even ban any try to organize any event in nakba (anniversary of Palestinians losing their land) [1] There is a suggestion to the English police that waving the Palestinian flag could/should be a criminal act [2] Biden is spreading false accusation trying to de-humanize a party in the conflict [3]. He is sending one of the biggest aircraft carriers in the world against people the vast majority of whom never even seen a plane in their life (except the Isreali planes bombing them). The Isreali defence minister is literally using a language that was used during previous genocidal events. He literally said thet they are in a fight with "human animals" [4] The western leades are giving a white/plain check for isreal to do whatever it want without check. This will definitely lead to a massacre no matter how you see it. If you want to justify it as they weren't the one who started. Well I have many bridges to sell you. But really the question is that. lets assume a world where every Palestinian drop their weapon and never act in violence. Will the US, EU and others come and force isreal to let them have their state? Will the two state solution ever be implemented as a good gesture from the occupiers? Did George Washington kick out the British with appealing to their good well? Of course there will be an explosion. If you took people's land, treat them like shit, put them in an open prison and bomb them every couple of months then they will explode. And if they do and you keep doing it with more intensity with the support of the Western world as we see now then you will not expect things to get better. Can isreal destroy every inch in gaza? yes they can. They can kill a million people there. They can even nuke the shit our of gaza. will this stop Palestinian resistance? Of course no. They are cornered. You did not leave anything to them. They don't have freedom, good life or anything. You want to kick them out of their land. Isreal was never serious about two state solutions before and definitely not now with the rise of their right wing. Death to arab is a usual slogan by extremist settlers.[5]. Heck even they have a minister in the government who say this in plain sight [6]. It is hurting that a lot of Isreali civilians are killed in recent actions but lets be self consistent and consider that both in pure numbers and with alot suffering over decades you will not see even one year without having an order of magnitude more Palestinian civilians getting killed by Isreali troops and settlers. If the west is serious about human life then it would be a human life. If the western leaders are thinking using a crusader mind that these are arabs and Muslims (The other people, the enemy)then lets be honest about that. Again we see the hypocritical treatment of human life. In this conflict there are root causes. If anyone is serious about anything regarding that. Then they will look into these causes and try to address them. Until then there will be violence and except if justice is served or until the world observe Palestinians gets eliminated until their last soul, things will never improve. And yes, this is a very political comment but it is more of a common sense that a lot of people are missing. A lot of people even don't want to address that they have a bias against us because we are the other. The people of middle east, arabs and Muslims were for centuries the other, the enemy of the west. Things has improved and I am not saying that this is true in absolute terms but there are a hidden bias (and sometimes an obvious feeling of superiority) against those people. If you deny it by words but all your actions and alignment are doing the opposite it doesn't mean much. I hope thaf one day things will improve and that one day justice will be served without the madness that we are seeing now. [1] https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/05/20/berlin-bans-nakba-day-demonstrations https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/05/20/berlin-bans-nakba-day-de... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/10/people-supporting-hamas-in-uk-will-be-held-to-account-says-rishi-sunak https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/10/people-supp... [3] https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/11/beheaded-israeli-babies-settler-wipe-out-palestinian/ https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/11/beheaded-israeli-babies-s... [4] https://humanevents.com/2023/10/09/breaking-israeli-defense-minister-announces-complete-siege-on-gaza https://humanevents.com/2023/10/09/breaking-israeli-defense-... [5] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_Arabs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_Arabs [6] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/02/27/itamar-ben-gvir-israels-minister-of-chaos https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/02/27/itamar-ben-gvi...
tguvot 3y ago
Playboy fired pornstar Mia Kalifa for supporting hamas actions. Could you please help me understand, if this is cancel culture or moral backbone of USA ?
- cocacola1 3y ago
  Just simple action & reaction.
  - tguvot 3y ago
    you are no fun
- orwin 3y ago
  'cancel culture' either doesn't exist, or is a new means of explaining an old phenomenon, depending on what you mean. I honestly immediately loose respect for anyone using it non-ironically, because it's just an obvious ploy to manipulate public opinion.
  - tguvot 3y ago
    you are also no fun
  - pauldenton 3y ago
    https://www.axios.com/2021/01/09/platforms-social-media-ban-restrict-trump https://www.axios.com/2021/01/09/platforms-social-media-ban-... I'm not sure what old phenomenon this is replicating
jauntywundrkind 3y ago
It feels one-dimensional to assess someone on what they said or did once in some context & make big assumptions about them for the rest of their lives based off a narrowly interpreted negative viewpoint. People are complex and reducing responses to brutal cruel unforgiving blacklists is the shit of nightmares.
- weatherlite 3y ago
  ORRR ... you can just be careful with the shit you write online. You know, try to act as if you're talking to real people on the street(where there's usually more consequences). I don't know why we have to tolerate people acting like psychotic assholes online just because it's online.
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truthProtector 3y ago
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32 points by bryan0 3y ago

At least one law student got a law firm offer rescinded over their comments – https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/winston-scraps-nyu-law-students-job-offer-over-israel-email https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/winston-...

Melting_Harps 3y ago
> At least one law student got a law firm offer rescinded over their comments – https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/winston- https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/winston-... This sets such a dangerous precedent, and further emboldens those who contend that the Jewish influence in media and Industry (particularly in entertainment, Law, and Media) is absolute. And was portrayed by a John Stewart, himself a Jew, so poignantly [0] nearly 10 years ago--note how these two conflicts are still ongoing and ask yourself how we got here. How this nation allows for the condemnation of the injustices of the Vietnam war, Afghanistan or Iraq under the premise of free speech but will not allow for those to oppose the vile acts unleashed by the IDF (an entirely different nations military) alone is why this should be condemned. Say what you will about them voicing a poorly informed opinion if you must, but it ask yourself: should it lead to offers being revoked and if so what precedent does it set? I get these are (often) the children of privilege and nepotism is what most have in common, but still, this is appalling: it's similar to what happened in Tokyo University during the student riots back in the late 60s during Vietnam, people are perplexed how they instilled such a conformist mindset in the abhorrent Japanese corporate culture, and blacklisting students was one of the main ways they did it. I don't have a bias anymore, I was once pro-Palestinian after seeing the IDF use white phosphorus on children in Gaza but after withholding aid and the subsequent bombings during COVID in '21 I think somethings are rooted much deeper in the Human psyche and are beyond help when people are still willing to let people die for claims of the 'Holy Land,' you'd think that after so much death and despair they would have at least agreed to a ceasefire and allowed for aid to enter during a pandemic but were denied and then bombed. Even now I just see this as senseless violence and a waste of Human Life, but just like in Bucha there will be a narrative created about how this was warranted somehow. 0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrlUzkd8Z8g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrlUzkd8Z8g
- tguvot 3y ago
  >Say what you will about them voicing a poorly informed opinion if you must how do you differentiate between poorly informed opinions and poorly formed morals ? (in this specific case poorly informed opinion (if this is what it is) may lead to offer been revoked due to inability to perform research. sounds like a must for a law firm)
  - Melting_Harps 3y ago
    > in this specific case poorly informed opinion... It's hard to not see the IDF as a barbarous relic of it's own collective trauma from the Holocaust at this point; I personally think they are just as appalling as the German Nazis themselves and the US enables and funds this for Geo-political strategy: I believe in free speech and feel that I can make this argument without impunity as it's based entirely from decades of continual atrocities against Palestinians and overt crimes against Humanity (withholding life critical aid in a pandemic), and international killing of aid workers/activists (flotilla) documented the use of banned munitions on children as they regard them as less than Human while creating an overt surveillance state and exports this tech to other nations to use to monitor their citizens etc... and is only possible because there exists a sort of exceptional situation for Israel, but is it really any different than how the CCP treats the Uhigyers? I don't, and I think both should be condemned for their actions in a Tribunal for Crimes against Humanity alongside Putin's Russia. Except Israel gets to quell any dissent on the topic for fear of being regarded antisemitic which ultimately is used to justify their actions; just so it's clear I find the actions of Hamas reprehensible and vile, but that 'party for Peace' was only a couple of miles from the Gaza border; tell me under what possible distorted form of reality can this be justified? It was noted that the sound of the music was likely heard in Gaza it was so close. This is pretty much the conclusion that a Canadian UN peace keeping intern working in Palestine and Israel relations came to when we worked together on an unrelated job: that the victims often become the abuser and Gaza is a perfect example of how that has occurred in my Life-time. And that is what is taking place once more seeing innocent lives lost for the actions of a political extreme minority; it is these kind of actions that have made me an anarchist in the end, as it is always normal people who suffer most in these systems. That problem in-lies that a forced consensus is made: by not supporting the IDF/Israel inhumane actions, let alone claiming to be Pro-Palestine, it's made into a false equivalence of thinking you are are pro-Hamas, which is only possible if the overt censorship that I'm worried about is prevalent. If a Law firm cannot distinguish that its a more nuanced matter, but will instead crumble under such pressure one has to ask 'how come' and 'why' doesn't it? I think this a matter of censorship, with much more dire underlying issues, more than it is anything else.

sampli 3y ago

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afpx 3y ago
If a college group took an anti-Saudi stance, would people assume they're anti-Muslim?
- hackerlight 3y ago
  As always, context is important. If they did it today, no. If they did it a day after 1000 Saudi civilians were killed, yes.
clipsy 3y ago
Amazing how, given a clear demonstration of right-wing "cancel culture" in action, the immediate response is to invent a purely hypothetical scenario to vilify left-wing "cancel culture." A clear demonstration -- as if one was needed -- that the right's objection to "cancel culture" is that they believe it is a tool only they are allowed to wield.
- rayiner 3y ago
  Bill Ackman is a major Democratic donor.
  - dventimi 3y ago
    Non-sequitur
    - rayiner 3y ago
      Hard to claim “right wing cancel culture” when the person is an establishment democrat.
      - orwin 3y ago

blah_why_not 3y ago

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coffeefirst 3y ago

I see stuff like this, and the first place my mind goes isn't to the antisemitism (it really never dies), or student-run organizations saying dumb things (again, not surprising). The first place my mind goes, is... does Harvard not teach history classes?

nielsbot 3y ago
What do you mean not teach history class? I am not well informed about this area—is there specific history you referring to?
- candiodari 3y ago
  Most importantly? That history is nuanced and that no single event determines all of history. That every country invaded and conquered every single cm of land they currently occupy, with only a few stupid exceptions in particularly inhospitable places (like I believe Iceland).
swatcoder 3y ago
It doesn’t take much to reject someone else’s accounting of history. In fact, almost every conflict involves competing histories because they’re an essential part of establishing legitimacy for a cause. People put a lot of effort into developing persuasive ones. Histories can do a better or worse job of relating facts, but they’re never authoritative. Activists will always have their own, as will the authorities that they are agitating against.
- refurb 3y ago
  This is a great comment. And not only that, a lot of history involves interpretation of motives, which attempts to boil down rather complex, multi-faceted decisions into one overarching motive which makes it easy to paint historical events in very positive/negative lights.
- tcbawo 3y ago
  All histories are a simplification of reality into a digestible and memorable form. It is never the complete story. The further back you go, the more of a caricature historical figures become.

aaron695 3y ago

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blah_why_not 3y ago

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Dlanv 3y ago
You can. You just shouldn't tell someone it's their fault for being raped and murdered by terrorists. That's less ok.
- blah_why_not 3y ago
  [flagged]

oatmeal1 3y ago

I'd like to read the full statement. Of course CNN doesn't link to it or provide the full text. The actions of Hamas are beyond unconscionable, but unconscionable acts by Israel in the past arguably caused the recent terrorist attacks.

davidf18 3y ago
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raxxorraxor 3y ago
Not at all true.

Prickle 3y ago

I despise this kind of backlash. Everyone always says "Free speech, but not speech without consequence". But this kind of reactionary consequences are precisely why it's an issue. You don't actually have free speech, if the consequences of free speech are so great, that it becomes career suicide. Not allowed to speak against crowd, and all that entails.

raxxorraxor 3y ago
The concept of freedom of speech explicitly states that no punitive consequences are allowed as the result of speech. Of course there is the trivial reality that there are consequences to everything and people also have a right to disassociate with you, but at that point you indeed violate the principle. That isn't a crime, but universities should have a higher standard. The latest rather pop-interpretation of freedom of speech is rather stupid, especially in an academic context. So far so that I believe that you aren't really fit for academic education if you really believe that.
mensetmanusman 3y ago
Non violent backlash is actually an amazing outcome considering how awful the human reaction can get.
slowmovintarget 3y ago
Freedom of speech is restriction on government. It has nothing to do with protecting you from your own stupidity.
davidf18 3y ago
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bluish29 3y ago

I find that the many of the collective western reaction to this recent events is no different from some the reaction of russians against people opposing the war in Ukraine. In Germany police will harras/arrest you if you are wearing Palestinian flag even before this events. They even ban any try to organize any event in nakba (anniversary of Palestinians losing their land) [1] There is a suggestion to the English police that waving the Palestinian flag could/should be a criminal act [2] Biden is spreading false accusation trying to de-humanize a party in the conflict [3]. He is sending one of the biggest aircraft carriers in the world against people the vast majority of whom never even seen a plane in their life (except the Isreali planes bombing them). The Isreali defence minister is literally using a language that was used during previous genocidal events. He literally said thet they are in a fight with "human animals" [4] The western leades are giving a white/plain check for isreal to do whatever it want without check. This will definitely lead to a massacre no matter how you see it. If you want to justify it as they weren't the one who started. Well I have many bridges to sell you. But really the question is that. lets assume a world where every Palestinian drop their weapon and never act in violence. Will the US, EU and others come and force isreal to let them have their state? Will the two state solution ever be implemented as a good gesture from the occupiers? Did George Washington kick out the British with appealing to their good well? Of course there will be an explosion. If you took people's land, treat them like shit, put them in an open prison and bomb them every couple of months then they will explode. And if they do and you keep doing it with more intensity with the support of the Western world as we see now then you will not expect things to get better. Can isreal destroy every inch in gaza? yes they can. They can kill a million people there. They can even nuke the shit our of gaza. will this stop Palestinian resistance? Of course no. They are cornered. You did not leave anything to them. They don't have freedom, good life or anything. You want to kick them out of their land. Isreal was never serious about two state solutions before and definitely not now with the rise of their right wing. Death to arab is a usual slogan by extremist settlers.[5]. Heck even they have a minister in the government who say this in plain sight [6]. It is hurting that a lot of Isreali civilians are killed in recent actions but lets be self consistent and consider that both in pure numbers and with alot suffering over decades you will not see even one year without having an order of magnitude more Palestinian civilians getting killed by Isreali troops and settlers. If the west is serious about human life then it would be a human life. If the western leaders are thinking using a crusader mind that these are arabs and Muslims (The other people, the enemy)then lets be honest about that. Again we see the hypocritical treatment of human life. In this conflict there are root causes. If anyone is serious about anything regarding that. Then they will look into these causes and try to address them. Until then there will be violence and except if justice is served or until the world observe Palestinians gets eliminated until their last soul, things will never improve. And yes, this is a very political comment but it is more of a common sense that a lot of people are missing. A lot of people even don't want to address that they have a bias against us because we are the other. The people of middle east, arabs and Muslims were for centuries the other, the enemy of the west. Things has improved and I am not saying that this is true in absolute terms but there are a hidden bias (and sometimes an obvious feeling of superiority) against those people. If you deny it by words but all your actions and alignment are doing the opposite it doesn't mean much. I hope thaf one day things will improve and that one day justice will be served without the madness that we are seeing now. [1] https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/05/20/berlin-bans-nakba-day-demonstrations https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/05/20/berlin-bans-nakba-day-de... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/10/people-supporting-hamas-in-uk-will-be-held-to-account-says-rishi-sunak https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/10/people-supp... [3] https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/11/beheaded-israeli-babies-settler-wipe-out-palestinian/ https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/11/beheaded-israeli-babies-s... [4] https://humanevents.com/2023/10/09/breaking-israeli-defense-minister-announces-complete-siege-on-gaza https://humanevents.com/2023/10/09/breaking-israeli-defense-... [5] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_Arabs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_Arabs [6] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/02/27/itamar-ben-gvir-israels-minister-of-chaos https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/02/27/itamar-ben-gvi...

tguvot 3y ago

Playboy fired pornstar Mia Kalifa for supporting hamas actions. Could you please help me understand, if this is cancel culture or moral backbone of USA ?

cocacola1 3y ago
Just simple action & reaction.
- tguvot 3y ago
  you are no fun
orwin 3y ago
'cancel culture' either doesn't exist, or is a new means of explaining an old phenomenon, depending on what you mean. I honestly immediately loose respect for anyone using it non-ironically, because it's just an obvious ploy to manipulate public opinion.
- tguvot 3y ago
  you are also no fun
- pauldenton 3y ago
  https://www.axios.com/2021/01/09/platforms-social-media-ban-restrict-trump https://www.axios.com/2021/01/09/platforms-social-media-ban-... I'm not sure what old phenomenon this is replicating

jauntywundrkind 3y ago

It feels one-dimensional to assess someone on what they said or did once in some context & make big assumptions about them for the rest of their lives based off a narrowly interpreted negative viewpoint. People are complex and reducing responses to brutal cruel unforgiving blacklists is the shit of nightmares.

weatherlite 3y ago
ORRR ... you can just be careful with the shit you write online. You know, try to act as if you're talking to real people on the street(where there's usually more consequences). I don't know why we have to tolerate people acting like psychotic assholes online just because it's online.

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truthProtector 3y ago

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