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Intel Launches Arc A580: A $179 Graphics Card for 1080p Gaming
- borissk 3y agoLooks like Intel realized they can't leave the GPU AI market to nVidia and to finance their own AI GPUs they need to sell a ton of GPUs to gamers first.
- bigdict 3y agoSame move as Tesla.
- wlesieutre 3y agoOpposite move as Tesla, they started on the expensive end to finance scaling up the cheaper ones. Meanwhile Intel is going after the cheap ones to try and get a budget to tackle the more difficult AI/ML GPU market.
- jerome-jh 3y agoStarting with low-end is also a way to use aging factories.
- wlesieutre 3y agoYeah it makes sense for their respective industries. There’s no dramatic manufacturing breakthroughs between a Model 3 and a Model S, just features and material quality, with the S having lower quantities at a higher profit margin. Going back further there’s the Roadster, and it’s a good thing that was a niche vehicle because they hadn’t settled on the Supercharger design yet.
- HeWhoLurksLate 3y agodefinitely agree also, since this is a relatively recent development for Intel they also have to get their drivers & stack competitive, and there's clearly no better way to do that than by getting telemetry on exactly what ways your products are lacking and crashing things edit to add: I think there's also a really good chance that this winds up like the first generation of Ryzen systems did- not the most competitive, but quite cheap and with a few interesting features to get enough people over, and then eventually the future generations go on to go head-to-head with offerings from other companies. I would be more surprised by the complete failure and disappearance of ARC in five years than by it duking it out in the datacenter and gaming markets even at the high end.
- imbusy111 3y agoI bought an RX 6600 off of ebay for $155 half a year ago, for context, which, as the article mentions, is substantially more power efficient for nearly the same (poor for these days) performance.
- ta8645 3y agoThe inflation we're starting to see over the same timespan, makes that comparison harder to evaluate.
- imbusy111 3y agoYou mean the 6 month 2% core inflation? Technology has always depreciated quickly.
- ta8645 3y ago> You mean the 6 month 2% core inflation Those numbers are highly dubious if my shopping experiences are anything close to those of the average person.
- jonhohle 3y agoCore inflation == hand picked items by politicians that no one actually cares about or is price sensitive to
- Retric 3y agoHardly, the actual kicker is they allow substitutions which works well for price conscious consumers, but excludes things that fluctuate rapidly like gas. Still very useful over the long term, but less so when supply shocks hit.
- TeMPOraL 3y agoAnd which also undercounts the loss of value by a half or more, as the bulk of it manifests as reduction of unit sizes ("shrinkflation") and hidden reduction of quality of goods and services (we need a term for it too).
- Animats 3y ago1080p. Is this for driving TVs off a PC?
- kalleboo 3y agoSteam Survey says 60% of users are on 1080p
- kimixa 3y agoAnd that's just 1080p, quickly adding the survey results shows that only ~27% of people have larger screens than 1080p, so ~73% if people have screens of 1080p or less. Though arguably people on older screens aren't likely in the market for a new graphics card, even "midrange" like this.
- debugnik 3y agoMost of those screens below 1080 aren't old monitors, they're budget laptop screens, specially 1366x768.
- everyone 3y agoPersonally I dont want anything more than 1080.. My OS UI, text and games are perfect for me at 1080p. I defo dont want to use more electricity and lose frames pushing 4 times as many pixels for games.
- redox99 3y agoOnce you go with a higher resolution, you realize how blurry 1080p is. For gaming, 1440p 240hz is a pretty decent middle ground considering quality, price, and fps.
- Sakos 3y agoThat's not how LCD monitors work. I own 1080p, 1440p and 4k monitors and I've gamed on all of them. None of them are blurry. Edit: LCD monitors are not blurry if you use the native resolution. Go learn about pixels and resolutions if you think otherwise, because you clearly don't understand. There's no way for it to be blurry unless for some reason you're doing non-integer based scaling. https://tanalin.com/en/articles/integer-scaling/ https://tanalin.com/en/articles/integer-scaling/
- bee_rider 3y agoThe memory bandwidth could be interesting? Going after pure gamers seems like a rough market for Intel to enter. But maybe with the extra compute and the memory bandwidth, they are actually going after devs and other professionals who also game sometimes? That seems like a good niche for them, at least to start chipping away at.
- snuxoll 3y agoPure gamers are the perfect market to target if they can sell budget cards with ever improving driver support. Even AMD's low end is laughably expensive these days (in terms of $/perf as well as pure cost), so there's a large market of people who buy budget cards that's being neglected by the existing market.
- Dylan16807 3y ago> Even AMD's low end is laughably expensive these days (in terms of $/perf as well as pure cost) Amazon currently has some 7600s priced at $188. At $250+ they don't do well in this competition, but at that price I'd say the 7600 wins.
- slowmotiony 3y agochecks rx7600 price on local amazon it's over 300 euro, twice the price of OP's Sometimes I hate being in Europe.
- ahoka 3y agoThe $188 card is shipping from China, so don’t be so jealous.
- Eisenstein 3y agoIn the USA most states require sales tax between 6 % and 8% which is not included in the list price, so make that $180 * 1.08 (I pay 8% where I live) makes it $194. Still not great for you, but it isn't like your taxes don't get you things that a lot of people in the States are super jealous of.
- Ecco 3y agoIs there any reputable website to easily compare GPU performances? I know it depends on the specific game/benchmark, but some kind of standardized score would really help.
- ethbr1 3y agohttps://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
- A_D_E_P_T 3y agoTom's has to be one of the longest-running sites on the internet. They've had a GPU hierarchy since 1997! Amazing consistency and longevity. https://web.archive.org/web/19980109201410/http://tomshardware.com/3drev-3dbench.html https://web.archive.org/web/19980109201410/http://tomshardwa...
- ethbr1 3y agoAnandtech used to have a decent analog, but then it was sold. Now it hasn't had a Bench/GPU update since 2019.
- langarus 3y agohttps://www.videocardbenchmark.net/ https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/
- kyrra 3y agoGamer's Nexus YouTube channel. They put a lot of effort to make sure they do like for like comparisons. They also point out that certain cards have strengths in some games and not others, and it depends on the settings. I highly recommend their videos. https://m.youtube.com/channel/UChIs72whgZI9w6d6FhwGGHA https://m.youtube.com/channel/UChIs72whgZI9w6d6FhwGGHA
- everyone 3y agothis is the best imo https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070S-Super-vs-AMD-RX-6600/4048vs4128 https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070S-Super...
- hiAndrewQuinn 3y ago1080p feels like the sweet spot for me in terms of resolution. I have 4K screens at the workplace office, and on my laptop itself, but it just doesn't matter very much to me. I picked up a few 1080p screens for 80 euros apiece a few weeks ago to build out my home office and I'm very happy that the price has been driven so far down in the last 10 years.
- quickthrower2 3y agoFor coding I agree. Roomy enough for an IDE but little neck movement required of larger monitors.
- badpun 3y ago1920x1200 are the best screens for coding, it's a shame they're hardly made anymore.
- kimixa 3y agoYeah, a 4k density no more than 27" 16:10 screen would be my dream. I recently moved to 4k 27" from 1440p 27" (both 16:9) and the text clarity is noticably better, but definitely in diminishing returns in clarity and not really different in screen real estate. But really I'd probably be happier with 24", but they just don't seem to make high density screens with decent features sets in that size anymore. I don't get why ultra wide seems to becoming a thing, even outside of productivity it's either close enough I have to move my head to see each side, or far enough away a good proportion of my vision area is above and below the screen.
- keyle 3y agoThis has cost me a few thousand dollars to admit. 27" 4K is the sweet spot where the display is retina but the size is 1080p equivalent. I like fullscreen applications for better focus.
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- butz 3y agoWhat is support of Intel video cards on Linux nowadays?
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoAlways have been the best out of the three
- pjmlp 3y agoThe users of Intel cards once upon a time based on PowerVR wouldn't say that.
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoMeh, let's stick to past 10-15 years
- nubinetwork 3y agoAFAIK xe-based GPUs are waiting for the next release to get more bits working, but IGT/UHD should be "fine".
- goosedragons 3y agoThey're fine. At least for the other Alchemist cards, A380, A750, A770, you need kernel 6.2+ for them to work correctly out of the box. Hopefully the same is true of A580. There is some issues, there's no sparse residency support yet so DX12 games don't run under Proton but otherwise they work.
- bravetraveler 3y agoSeems fine, I have one of these Arc cards doing transcoding I haven't been able to prove it yet but it seems to crash when I unplug the temporary display I have on the rack It's either this or unfortunate timing/panics from this old ZFS release candidate/kernel
- orwin 3y agoI had to reinstall X-server (I couldn't find another way to make X use the new Intel drivers for some reason). Except that, all is fine. Upgrade to kernel 6.2+, update Intel drivers, reinstall X, swap cards. I also had to modify my grub and my Xconfig a lot to make my old Nvidia card work, and cleaning it up took an hour. Overall, better experience than with Nvidia. If your computer/install is recent maybe you won't need to reinstall X at all. I kept my Linux across 2 mobo and 4 CPU over 10 years, I usually prefer patching/fixing the issues rather than reinstalling but I think I ought to clean it up.
- ThinkBeat 3y agoIt his Arc architecture one that can take on NVIDIA for AI workloads once Intel expands and extends it?
- Alifatisk 3y agoIt's good that more competitors join the GPU market, I am tired of Nvidias monopoly. I really need to upgrade my 8 year old GPU, I can barely afford good one because of the high prices.