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This is wonderful. I wish they did the same about modifications done to increase the noise. I've got 2 people living nearby that both have straight-piped thei

This is wonderful. I wish they did the same about modifications done to increase the noise. I've got 2 people living nearby that both have straight-piped their car and I literally cover my ears when they pass by. My Watch literally tells me that a noise peak happened when they drive by.

benced 3y ago
For noise, that should be local police enforcing it. Unfortunately, American local police are somewhere between neo-Nazis and actively useless.
- DiggyJohnson 3y ago
  This is a caricature in all but a handful of American municipalities.
otteromkram 3y ago
You could try phoning the police about the issie. Be sure to record the call log. Then, review your town's ordinances and see if there's anything about passenger vehicles requiring properly maintained and baffled exhaust system. Then, write to your city coun, mayor, and police chief (all in one email) asking why this ordinance isn't enforced? Can it be struck from the ordinances if it will never be enforced? Finally, ask them whether or not citizens should be able to enforce the code or ordinances amid willful police negligence to do so? If not, why not? If not, csn they add "City X does not issue tickets to noisy vehicles" to their marketing material. Ask if you have fewer rights than someone who knowingly bought or modified a vehicle to disturb tens or hundreds of people all around them at any given moment during the day without recourse? Ask them to provide at least two good points on why a passenger vehicle should be allowed to have a noisy exhaust system. If they can't provide a solid solution, then ask them all to step down. (I'm on your side, btw. Not sure if that was clear from my post.)
kjkjadksj 3y ago
Not to mention good old fashioned overpowered unfocused led lighting. Its been a meme with the truck bros for years, but now these products have entered the general lighting supply. Now your landlord replaces the garage light with one thats brighter than the sun and shines into your bedroom. You will end up like Kramer in the chicken roaster episode of Seinfeld.
- plagiarist 3y ago
  It is somehow every single vehicle on the road with these. People should lose their license for operating a vehicle with the blinding LEDs tilted up higher than highbeams would be. It is unsafe that approaching drivers cannot see past them as they drive by.
  - kraquepype 3y ago
    Ugh yeah. It's that time of year where it gets dark early and I get blinded on the way home from work by all the bro-dozer truck lights and intense LEDs.
    - rad_gruchalski 3y ago
      I get blinded by morons who have no idea that a normal H light bulb can be installed „the other way around”. So it points upwards. And teslas but only when they drive behind. For whatever reason tesla lights blind when seen in the mirror.
  - rumblerock 3y ago
    I've been looking into transparent windshield films to reduce glare for this reason.
- RC_ITR 3y ago
  Say what you will about over-engineering, but the Germans got it so so so right with their metal full black out shades.
  - 3y ago
wutwutwat 3y ago
Your municipality likely has noise ordinances for anything above a certain decibel level. This can be handled by your local PD giving them tickets for their exhausts. I’ve seen it done before. If they keep getting tickets/fines they will likely change their exhausts. You can probably call the city about it but you can also call the cops. Just remember what they say about snitches.
- miguelazo 3y ago
  Most municipalities, especially ones relying on cops to enforce these rules, rarely take action on these complaints.
  - pc86 3y ago
    Who is going to enforce these rules other than cops? I mean yeah if they never get complains about a given area and they get one call about a loud car driving they're not going to come in lights and sirens to search for them. But if they consistently get complaints it will absolutely guide their decision-making around where to patrol, how often, etc. Of course this assumes that the political leadership in your municipality hasn't decided that cops don't need to enforce laws (rare outside of a few large cities) and they're not busier with much more serious crimes, underfunded and understaffed, and just not able to spend time on noise complaints (rare but a common talking point).
  - Scoundreller 3y ago
    At least in Canadian cities, both bylaw officers and police can enforce these things. Bylaw officers tend to have less discretion on doing their job (and uhhh, fewer other crimes to claim to be busy with) Though sometimes this double-responsibility just means finger-pointing instead of action.
    - InitialLastName 3y ago
      I've never heard of bylaw officers being a thing in the US. There are some code enforcement people in the US, but they mostly deal in very specific areas (fire code, building code, etc).
sidewndr46 3y ago
You would need to stop the sale of exhaust tubing to prevent this. I don't think that is realistic
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30364669 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30364669 ("New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars")
- akudlacek 3y ago
  exactly
sschueller 3y ago
Call the police on them. It's illegal almost everywhere.
MisterTea 3y ago
I wish it were simply just strait pipes. The biggest buffoons are the ones running "pops and bang" tune where the clown car's engine dumps fuel into the exhaust to make it pop, bang and gurgle. Makes the car sound like shit but these mental midgets think it makes their already ugly slammed trashcar somehow sound cool. The kinds of people who do this usually have very little going on upstairs.
- bluedino 3y ago
  https://youtube.com/shorts/m2_bfeGOzvg?si=2pjk2hD8W6Y_CKXK https://youtube.com/shorts/m2_bfeGOzvg?si=2pjk2hD8W6Y_CKXK This kind of thing for people who were wondering
- alistairSH 3y ago
  You can (indirectly) blame World Rally for this. Those car started doing this 15 or so years ago - the engineers found that dumping raw fuel directly into the turbo (IIRC, they had a 5th injector in the exhaust manifold) kept it spooled up during shifts and throttle lifts.
  - nikau 3y ago
    injector antilag systems were around in the 80s, they are very hard on the turbos and manifolds however.
    - alistairSH 3y ago
      Yeah, I was thinking that the guys who are adding "anti-lag" to their street cars probably first encountered it watching WRC. Or maybe touring cars. What's crazy to me is I hear it on cars that aren't even turbo - they're just running super rich with no muffler/resonator, so it pops/burbles more than normal. Can't be good for the car (the catalyst in particular, assuming they've bothered to keep it).
      - nikau 3y ago
        yeah the stupid "crackle pop" tunes are just deliberately running rich. There's also "DSG farts" which actually have a performance benefit, but sound truly awful with aftermarket exhaust systems.
ChuckMcM 3y ago
If you seriously want to take action here, then do this; 1) Look up your city ordinances on sound, there should be copies of this is the reference section of your city's public library. Identify the ordinance and paragraph that the people nearby are violating. Record/video one or more violations on your phone. 2) Call the police, don't "complain about the noise", tell them you want to "swear out a complaint" for violating ordinance x, paragraph y. They are obligated to take your complaint and forward it to the District Attorney[1]. 3) You will probably be called as a witness if the folks with the noisy cars choose a trial. [1] When a police officer hears a complaint, they can "investigate", and then "cite" the offender. It is up to the officer's discretion. That citation is the sworn complaint from the officer of the offending behavior. When the police refuse to do their job, everyone has the right to "step in" to that role and swear out a complaint. The downside is that retaliating against an officer is 'scary' but retaliating against a neighbor isn't. This can result in a variety of negative externalities that may be criminal but hard to prove (car getting 'keyed', tires slashed, rocks thrown through windows, feces on your porch, Etc.) Because taking on the job of enforcement when the cops let you down incurs significant personal risk, I usually suggest people make an appointment with their representative on the city's governing body, city manager, or district attorney and encourage them to actually do their job. Editorials in the local paper are good to, but projecting soft power as a voter in that way is less likely to blow back directly on you. I can also take longer and be less successful but sending emails to the DA with repeat infractions over and over can often convince them of the need for enforcement.
- notyourwork 3y ago
  > 2) Call the police, don't "complain about the noise", tell them you want to "swear out a complaint" for violating ordinance x, paragraph y. They are obligated to take your complaint and forward it to the District Attorney[1]. Good luck getting them to pick up. At least where I live (Seattle), I don't think its possible to get someone on the phone unless you call 911. Daytime phones automated system defers everything to online.
  - liquidpele 3y ago
    For good reason, have you SEEN how crazy most of the public that would be calling is?
akudlacek 3y ago
This will do nothing to stop people from removing their mufflers.
deepsun 3y ago
Are there any legislative initiatives to ban loud motorcycles (like they did in some EU countries)? I'd really want to vote for it. US is all about freedom, and concern for neighbors is a necessary prerequisite to practicing freedom. PS: I ride a motorcycle as well, there's no problem making it reasonably quiet.

benced 3y ago

For noise, that should be local police enforcing it. Unfortunately, American local police are somewhere between neo-Nazis and actively useless.

DiggyJohnson 3y ago
This is a caricature in all but a handful of American municipalities.

otteromkram 3y ago

You could try phoning the police about the issie. Be sure to record the call log. Then, review your town's ordinances and see if there's anything about passenger vehicles requiring properly maintained and baffled exhaust system. Then, write to your city coun, mayor, and police chief (all in one email) asking why this ordinance isn't enforced? Can it be struck from the ordinances if it will never be enforced? Finally, ask them whether or not citizens should be able to enforce the code or ordinances amid willful police negligence to do so? If not, why not? If not, csn they add "City X does not issue tickets to noisy vehicles" to their marketing material. Ask if you have fewer rights than someone who knowingly bought or modified a vehicle to disturb tens or hundreds of people all around them at any given moment during the day without recourse? Ask them to provide at least two good points on why a passenger vehicle should be allowed to have a noisy exhaust system. If they can't provide a solid solution, then ask them all to step down. (I'm on your side, btw. Not sure if that was clear from my post.)

kjkjadksj 3y ago

Not to mention good old fashioned overpowered unfocused led lighting. Its been a meme with the truck bros for years, but now these products have entered the general lighting supply. Now your landlord replaces the garage light with one thats brighter than the sun and shines into your bedroom. You will end up like Kramer in the chicken roaster episode of Seinfeld.

plagiarist 3y ago
It is somehow every single vehicle on the road with these. People should lose their license for operating a vehicle with the blinding LEDs tilted up higher than highbeams would be. It is unsafe that approaching drivers cannot see past them as they drive by.
- kraquepype 3y ago
  Ugh yeah. It's that time of year where it gets dark early and I get blinded on the way home from work by all the bro-dozer truck lights and intense LEDs.
  - rad_gruchalski 3y ago
    I get blinded by morons who have no idea that a normal H light bulb can be installed „the other way around”. So it points upwards. And teslas but only when they drive behind. For whatever reason tesla lights blind when seen in the mirror.
- rumblerock 3y ago
  I've been looking into transparent windshield films to reduce glare for this reason.
RC_ITR 3y ago
Say what you will about over-engineering, but the Germans got it so so so right with their metal full black out shades.
- 3y ago

wutwutwat 3y ago

Your municipality likely has noise ordinances for anything above a certain decibel level. This can be handled by your local PD giving them tickets for their exhausts. I’ve seen it done before. If they keep getting tickets/fines they will likely change their exhausts. You can probably call the city about it but you can also call the cops. Just remember what they say about snitches.

miguelazo 3y ago
Most municipalities, especially ones relying on cops to enforce these rules, rarely take action on these complaints.
- pc86 3y ago
  Who is going to enforce these rules other than cops? I mean yeah if they never get complains about a given area and they get one call about a loud car driving they're not going to come in lights and sirens to search for them. But if they consistently get complaints it will absolutely guide their decision-making around where to patrol, how often, etc. Of course this assumes that the political leadership in your municipality hasn't decided that cops don't need to enforce laws (rare outside of a few large cities) and they're not busier with much more serious crimes, underfunded and understaffed, and just not able to spend time on noise complaints (rare but a common talking point).
- Scoundreller 3y ago
  At least in Canadian cities, both bylaw officers and police can enforce these things. Bylaw officers tend to have less discretion on doing their job (and uhhh, fewer other crimes to claim to be busy with) Though sometimes this double-responsibility just means finger-pointing instead of action.
  - InitialLastName 3y ago
    I've never heard of bylaw officers being a thing in the US. There are some code enforcement people in the US, but they mostly deal in very specific areas (fire code, building code, etc).

sidewndr46 3y ago

You would need to stop the sale of exhaust tubing to prevent this. I don't think that is realistic

toomuchtodo 3y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30364669 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30364669 ("New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars")
akudlacek 3y ago
exactly

sschueller 3y ago

Call the police on them. It's illegal almost everywhere.

MisterTea 3y ago

I wish it were simply just strait pipes. The biggest buffoons are the ones running "pops and bang" tune where the clown car's engine dumps fuel into the exhaust to make it pop, bang and gurgle. Makes the car sound like shit but these mental midgets think it makes their already ugly slammed trashcar somehow sound cool. The kinds of people who do this usually have very little going on upstairs.

bluedino 3y ago
https://youtube.com/shorts/m2_bfeGOzvg?si=2pjk2hD8W6Y_CKXK https://youtube.com/shorts/m2_bfeGOzvg?si=2pjk2hD8W6Y_CKXK This kind of thing for people who were wondering
alistairSH 3y ago
You can (indirectly) blame World Rally for this. Those car started doing this 15 or so years ago - the engineers found that dumping raw fuel directly into the turbo (IIRC, they had a 5th injector in the exhaust manifold) kept it spooled up during shifts and throttle lifts.
- nikau 3y ago
  injector antilag systems were around in the 80s, they are very hard on the turbos and manifolds however.
  - alistairSH 3y ago
    Yeah, I was thinking that the guys who are adding "anti-lag" to their street cars probably first encountered it watching WRC. Or maybe touring cars. What's crazy to me is I hear it on cars that aren't even turbo - they're just running super rich with no muffler/resonator, so it pops/burbles more than normal. Can't be good for the car (the catalyst in particular, assuming they've bothered to keep it).
    - nikau 3y ago
      yeah the stupid "crackle pop" tunes are just deliberately running rich. There's also "DSG farts" which actually have a performance benefit, but sound truly awful with aftermarket exhaust systems.

ChuckMcM 3y ago

If you seriously want to take action here, then do this; 1) Look up your city ordinances on sound, there should be copies of this is the reference section of your city's public library. Identify the ordinance and paragraph that the people nearby are violating. Record/video one or more violations on your phone. 2) Call the police, don't "complain about the noise", tell them you want to "swear out a complaint" for violating ordinance x, paragraph y. They are obligated to take your complaint and forward it to the District Attorney[1]. 3) You will probably be called as a witness if the folks with the noisy cars choose a trial. [1] When a police officer hears a complaint, they can "investigate", and then "cite" the offender. It is up to the officer's discretion. That citation is the sworn complaint from the officer of the offending behavior. When the police refuse to do their job, everyone has the right to "step in" to that role and swear out a complaint. The downside is that retaliating against an officer is 'scary' but retaliating against a neighbor isn't. This can result in a variety of negative externalities that may be criminal but hard to prove (car getting 'keyed', tires slashed, rocks thrown through windows, feces on your porch, Etc.) Because taking on the job of enforcement when the cops let you down incurs significant personal risk, I usually suggest people make an appointment with their representative on the city's governing body, city manager, or district attorney and encourage them to actually do their job. Editorials in the local paper are good to, but projecting soft power as a voter in that way is less likely to blow back directly on you. I can also take longer and be less successful but sending emails to the DA with repeat infractions over and over can often convince them of the need for enforcement.

notyourwork 3y ago
> 2) Call the police, don't "complain about the noise", tell them you want to "swear out a complaint" for violating ordinance x, paragraph y. They are obligated to take your complaint and forward it to the District Attorney[1]. Good luck getting them to pick up. At least where I live (Seattle), I don't think its possible to get someone on the phone unless you call 911. Daytime phones automated system defers everything to online.
- liquidpele 3y ago
  For good reason, have you SEEN how crazy most of the public that would be calling is?

akudlacek 3y ago

This will do nothing to stop people from removing their mufflers.

deepsun 3y ago

Are there any legislative initiatives to ban loud motorcycles (like they did in some EU countries)? I'd really want to vote for it. US is all about freedom, and concern for neighbors is a necessary prerequisite to practicing freedom. PS: I ride a motorcycle as well, there's no problem making it reasonably quiet.