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Internet traffic in Israel surged 170% right after the Hamas attack

66 points by emot 3y ago

truthProtector 3y ago
That is simply not true. The organizations blame Israel for existing at the expense of the previous local population. A population, with a layered identity, existing since ancient Phillistine. Talk to chatgpt for an unbiased view of history. Many Palestinians are descendants of real Israelites who never left the region. The organizations blame Israel for terrorism and anti-Muslim rhetoric. They blame Israel for the truth that is internationally recognized, that Israel is an apartheid state - and therefore a criminal state. The world is calling that out. Of course Zionist terrorists can’t stand free speech after getting called out, just like they’ve done with every Israeli whistleblower of their own. No one wants to work for supporters of a criminal apartheid state. Good for those students to be outraged! https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/progressive-jewish-groups-blame-israeli-apartheid-for-hamas-violence/ar-AA1i6Y4S https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/progressive-jewish-grou... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ending-israeli-apartheid-is-the-only-path-to-peace/ar-AA1icOV6 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ending-israeli-aparthei...
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MattGaiser 3y ago
With the 2nd graph, I am surprised it is that low given that full scale war is basically ongoing. Was some internet cut off in Israel as a result of the attacks?
- bobthepanda 3y ago
  There might also be network congestion; I would consider this the rate of traffic able to reach Cloudflare.
  - konstantinua00 3y ago
    once again, Cloudshare limits the internet
    - bobthepanda 3y ago
      No? Every mass disaster results in overwhelming a network as people rush to reach their loved ones and emergency services. 9/11 brought down the landline and mobile networks due to network congestion well before Cloudflare existed. Radio traffic on emergency responder networks was 5x normal, and that is before you consider that a lot of responders were off duty and did not bring their radios. As it is the modern communications networks can hardly handle a planned large event like a music festival. So expecting the Internet to be peachy in an emergency is wishful thinking.
- ycm_tmp 3y ago
  It was a Sabbath/holiday - many (primarily Orthodox) Jews don't use phones/computers, etc.
  - MattGaiser 3y ago
    If anything then, shouldn't there have been a larger spike? Wouldn't this qualify as a reason to override?
    - ycm_tmp 3y ago
      Absolutely, if you know there's something to check. A lot of people who don't use phones on Sabbath/holidays just didn't know what was happening, or at least not the scale of it.
jakozaur 3y ago
The data shows huge mobile uptick. So if a tragedy happen, a lot of people watch videos on their mobile phones. Not having data, but I observed similar phenomena in Poland during first week of Russia reinvasion of Ukraine. So many people glued to phones during all kind of situations.
- bobthepanda 3y ago
  If you are fleeing your house at the last minute of stuck at work you are not dragging a desktop with you. The phone is a powerful portable device; if it works, use that instead of a hand crank radio.
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barcode_feeder 3y ago
I'm a late adopter of HN, but was a bit surprised to see nothing about Israel/Hamas on the home page. Is that sort of political stuff forbidden, or is there just no interest in this community?
- MattGaiser 3y ago
  Forbidden per the guidelines. > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - praptak 3y ago
    Note it says "most" and "probably". Evening news grade stuff is still admissible if it fits the "On Topic" conditions.
  - temp10723 3y ago
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    - TheGigaChad 3y ago
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- oneplane 3y ago
  Check https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html and https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html In general, even if it's submitted, it's up to a bunch of clicks on the small arrows to keep it on the first page, and other submissions might win instead. Even if there was a "it must be about hardware or software" rule, that wouldn't be such a bad thing, otherwise we'd just end up getting another reddit.
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wslh 3y ago
Also /r/israel is in "private community mode" and /r/palestine remains open. This is just for informative purposes.
gumballindie 3y ago
Can we, like, stop killing each other for a day or two? Isnt it obvious already that war leads to an endless cycle of war? Attackers attack, defenders defend, the loser then seeks revenge, then they become the attacker, and potentially the winner, then the former winner becomes the loser seeking revenge and so on. We have like endless space to colonise yet we fight for land here on earth as if we wont all eventually become that land. And once we do we’ll never ever come back. It’s getting a bit boring to be honest.
- TulliusCicero 3y ago
  Unfortunately, the status quo in Israel/Palestine is pretty garbage, and practically guaranteed to lead to conflict.
  - gumballindie 3y ago
    I know but i seriously wish there was a way to end all these boring primordial habits of ours and focus on stuff that matters, as a collective humanity.
    - wahnfrieden 3y ago
      graeber & wengrow showed historical societies that moved on from domination and hierarchy even well beyond dunbar numbers and after the discovery of agriculture (earlier than previously understood) but of course they still must defend against neighbors that seek to dominate them violently and institute new hierarchies and ownership structures. if you can envision society that lives with less violence and conflict over power, you must also accept that society must similarly defend itself in various ways from those who come not to visit but to take land, homes, resources and institute their own power structures over the ones already there living in that society you envision
    - inglor_cz 3y ago
      These habits may be the other side of our civilizational coin. Technological development tends to surge during wars.
jononomo 3y ago
Sheesh, I would have expected it to sure 1700%.
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dopeboy 3y ago
There's another big factor at play: it's become increasingly easier to film yourself in combat and now encouraged by leadership for propaganda reasons. I've been going to r/combatfootage everyday for the past ~3 years; it has exploded in popularity because like a lot of things in life, war is now recorded and disseminated wide. The ukraine war, specifically with drones outfitted with explosives, has shown this. GoPros seem almost standard for combat troops. I have to imagine Israelis are learning about the conflict in realtime partly through the footage Hamas is releasing. The fact that footage is so unprecedented (fighters air gliding in, a Hamas reporter reporting from inside Israel) probably adds to the demand for this content.
- KRAKRISMOTT 3y ago
  That subreddit disproportionately censors and removes videos from the other sides. Avoid it unless you enjoy Kool aid
  - pixl97 3y ago
    Then visit other subreddits that don't. There are plenty of them.
    - KRAKRISMOTT 3y ago
      Yes Funker530 is very good. They don't pick their winner and losers https://funker530.com/ https://funker530.com/
      - tennen 3y ago
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- pixl97 3y ago
  I would say there has always been demand for war footage. The difference is now the actual footage is not filtered by governments, propaganda firms, and typical news media sensibilities. The internet is mostly everywhere, and seemingly everyone has some kind of device capable of filming high definition footage. Even if it's not encouraged, it's still going to be very, very difficult to stop unless you turn off parts of the global internet to your (nations) users. Add to this that war is becoming heavily drone based, via both in purpose built weapons and improvised devices that have recording capability built in. War is not something that is far away, but something that is right now on the device you're carrying.
pronouncedjerry 3y ago
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foxhop 3y ago
Well considering Israel just cut Gaza's electricity supply about an hour ago that would be an interesting war related chart.
jldugger 3y ago
I wonder what cloudflare saw in the emergency test this week.
aussieguy1234 3y ago
Well, the Israelis did cut power to the Gaza strip. Hamas of course expected this and probably has many backup generators and satellite links to keep online. As for the civilians...
- tamiral 3y ago
  civilians really dont have that privillege.
oa335 3y ago
Says Netanyahu: To the citizens of Gaza, I say. You must leave now. We will target each and every corner of the strip.” Edited to remove false quote
- tmnvix 3y ago
  How do they leave?
  - oa335 3y ago
    They can’t, Israel imposes a blockade on their movement across the borders.
    - sdossick 3y ago
      So does Egypt. It's not only the Israelis who are afraid of Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
      - elashri 3y ago
        As an Egyptian, we are not afraid of Palestinians moving to Sinai [1]. Neither they want to leave their lands so that they will lose it forever. The last time they were told to leave it for a little then come back was in 1948. Will, they are waiting until now. Hint: I welcome the downvotes. HN is majority US members who are historically (The Majority) pro Israeli point of view of everything. I understand that [1] Maybe the regime is (but people in the Middle East are ruled by dictators who do not represent people's view either if they are Iran, Egypt or others)
        2Gkashmiri 3y ago
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        tguvot 3y ago
        i do remember egypt been rather unhappy when all of sudden weapons started to flow from gaza back to sinai to isis/muslim brotherhood/etc. and some personal as well
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mattrick 3y ago
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66 points by emot 3y ago

That is simply not true. The organizations blame Israel for existing at the expense of the previous local population. A population, with a layered identity, existing since ancient Phillistine. Talk to chatgpt for an unbiased view of history. Many Palestinians are descendants of real Israelites who never left the region. The organizations blame Israel for terrorism and anti-Muslim rhetoric. They blame Israel for the truth that is internationally recognized, that Israel is an apartheid state - and therefore a criminal state. The world is calling that out. Of course Zionist terrorists can’t stand free speech after getting called out, just like they’ve done with every Israeli whistleblower of their own. No one wants to work for supporters of a criminal apartheid state. Good for those students to be outraged! https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/progressive-jewish-groups-blame-israeli-apartheid-for-hamas-violence/ar-AA1i6Y4S https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/progressive-jewish-grou... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ending-israeli-apartheid-is-the-only-path-to-peace/ar-AA1icOV6 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ending-israeli-aparthei...

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MattGaiser 3y ago

With the 2nd graph, I am surprised it is that low given that full scale war is basically ongoing. Was some internet cut off in Israel as a result of the attacks?

bobthepanda 3y ago
There might also be network congestion; I would consider this the rate of traffic able to reach Cloudflare.
- konstantinua00 3y ago
  once again, Cloudshare limits the internet
  - bobthepanda 3y ago
    No? Every mass disaster results in overwhelming a network as people rush to reach their loved ones and emergency services. 9/11 brought down the landline and mobile networks due to network congestion well before Cloudflare existed. Radio traffic on emergency responder networks was 5x normal, and that is before you consider that a lot of responders were off duty and did not bring their radios. As it is the modern communications networks can hardly handle a planned large event like a music festival. So expecting the Internet to be peachy in an emergency is wishful thinking.
ycm_tmp 3y ago
It was a Sabbath/holiday - many (primarily Orthodox) Jews don't use phones/computers, etc.
- MattGaiser 3y ago
  If anything then, shouldn't there have been a larger spike? Wouldn't this qualify as a reason to override?
  - ycm_tmp 3y ago
    Absolutely, if you know there's something to check. A lot of people who don't use phones on Sabbath/holidays just didn't know what was happening, or at least not the scale of it.

jakozaur 3y ago

The data shows huge mobile uptick. So if a tragedy happen, a lot of people watch videos on their mobile phones. Not having data, but I observed similar phenomena in Poland during first week of Russia reinvasion of Ukraine. So many people glued to phones during all kind of situations.

bobthepanda 3y ago
If you are fleeing your house at the last minute of stuck at work you are not dragging a desktop with you. The phone is a powerful portable device; if it works, use that instead of a hand crank radio.
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barcode_feeder 3y ago

I'm a late adopter of HN, but was a bit surprised to see nothing about Israel/Hamas on the home page. Is that sort of political stuff forbidden, or is there just no interest in this community?

MattGaiser 3y ago
Forbidden per the guidelines. > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- praptak 3y ago
  Note it says "most" and "probably". Evening news grade stuff is still admissible if it fits the "On Topic" conditions.
- temp10723 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - TheGigaChad 3y ago
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oneplane 3y ago
Check https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html and https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html In general, even if it's submitted, it's up to a bunch of clicks on the small arrows to keep it on the first page, and other submissions might win instead. Even if there was a "it must be about hardware or software" rule, that wouldn't be such a bad thing, otherwise we'd just end up getting another reddit.
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wslh 3y ago

Also /r/israel is in "private community mode" and /r/palestine remains open. This is just for informative purposes.

gumballindie 3y ago

Can we, like, stop killing each other for a day or two? Isnt it obvious already that war leads to an endless cycle of war? Attackers attack, defenders defend, the loser then seeks revenge, then they become the attacker, and potentially the winner, then the former winner becomes the loser seeking revenge and so on. We have like endless space to colonise yet we fight for land here on earth as if we wont all eventually become that land. And once we do we’ll never ever come back. It’s getting a bit boring to be honest.

TulliusCicero 3y ago
Unfortunately, the status quo in Israel/Palestine is pretty garbage, and practically guaranteed to lead to conflict.
- gumballindie 3y ago
  I know but i seriously wish there was a way to end all these boring primordial habits of ours and focus on stuff that matters, as a collective humanity.
  - wahnfrieden 3y ago
    graeber & wengrow showed historical societies that moved on from domination and hierarchy even well beyond dunbar numbers and after the discovery of agriculture (earlier than previously understood) but of course they still must defend against neighbors that seek to dominate them violently and institute new hierarchies and ownership structures. if you can envision society that lives with less violence and conflict over power, you must also accept that society must similarly defend itself in various ways from those who come not to visit but to take land, homes, resources and institute their own power structures over the ones already there living in that society you envision
  - inglor_cz 3y ago
    These habits may be the other side of our civilizational coin. Technological development tends to surge during wars.

jononomo 3y ago

Sheesh, I would have expected it to sure 1700%.

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dopeboy 3y ago

There's another big factor at play: it's become increasingly easier to film yourself in combat and now encouraged by leadership for propaganda reasons. I've been going to r/combatfootage everyday for the past ~3 years; it has exploded in popularity because like a lot of things in life, war is now recorded and disseminated wide. The ukraine war, specifically with drones outfitted with explosives, has shown this. GoPros seem almost standard for combat troops. I have to imagine Israelis are learning about the conflict in realtime partly through the footage Hamas is releasing. The fact that footage is so unprecedented (fighters air gliding in, a Hamas reporter reporting from inside Israel) probably adds to the demand for this content.

KRAKRISMOTT 3y ago
That subreddit disproportionately censors and removes videos from the other sides. Avoid it unless you enjoy Kool aid
- pixl97 3y ago
  Then visit other subreddits that don't. There are plenty of them.
  - KRAKRISMOTT 3y ago
    Yes Funker530 is very good. They don't pick their winner and losers https://funker530.com/ https://funker530.com/
    - tennen 3y ago
      [flagged]
pixl97 3y ago
I would say there has always been demand for war footage. The difference is now the actual footage is not filtered by governments, propaganda firms, and typical news media sensibilities. The internet is mostly everywhere, and seemingly everyone has some kind of device capable of filming high definition footage. Even if it's not encouraged, it's still going to be very, very difficult to stop unless you turn off parts of the global internet to your (nations) users. Add to this that war is becoming heavily drone based, via both in purpose built weapons and improvised devices that have recording capability built in. War is not something that is far away, but something that is right now on the device you're carrying.

pronouncedjerry 3y ago

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foxhop 3y ago

Well considering Israel just cut Gaza's electricity supply about an hour ago that would be an interesting war related chart.

jldugger 3y ago

I wonder what cloudflare saw in the emergency test this week.

aussieguy1234 3y ago

Well, the Israelis did cut power to the Gaza strip. Hamas of course expected this and probably has many backup generators and satellite links to keep online. As for the civilians...

tamiral 3y ago
civilians really dont have that privillege.

oa335 3y ago

Says Netanyahu: To the citizens of Gaza, I say. You must leave now. We will target each and every corner of the strip.” Edited to remove false quote

tmnvix 3y ago
How do they leave?
- oa335 3y ago
  They can’t, Israel imposes a blockade on their movement across the borders.
  - sdossick 3y ago
    So does Egypt. It's not only the Israelis who are afraid of Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
    - elashri 3y ago
      As an Egyptian, we are not afraid of Palestinians moving to Sinai [1]. Neither they want to leave their lands so that they will lose it forever. The last time they were told to leave it for a little then come back was in 1948. Will, they are waiting until now. Hint: I welcome the downvotes. HN is majority US members who are historically (The Majority) pro Israeli point of view of everything. I understand that [1] Maybe the regime is (but people in the Middle East are ruled by dictators who do not represent people's view either if they are Iran, Egypt or others)
      - 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
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      - tguvot 3y ago
        i do remember egypt been rather unhappy when all of sudden weapons started to flow from gaza back to sinai to isis/muslim brotherhood/etc. and some personal as well

desertofcement 3y ago

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mattrick 3y ago

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