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The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil
- stainablesteel 3y agoso was it 2.9 brazils last year?
- ameerhamza8796 3y ago[dead]
- megamike 3y agoIt's one of the biggest ozone holes on record — but not necessarily cause for alarm. right nothing to look at here just carry on
- 6DM 3y agoLower in the article explains why: > Yet despite experiencing large seasonal growth this year, the ozone hole is still decreasing in size overall. "Based on the Montreal Protocol and the decrease of anthropogenic ozone-depleting substances, scientists currently predict that the global ozone layer will reach its normal state again by around 2050," said Claus Zehner, ESA's mission manager for Copernicus Sentinel-5P.
- doublerabbit 3y agoSo if we can survive the next thirty years, we're good. I can barely look forward to the next five. Edit: Woah. Humor doesn't translate well on this site doesn't it? I'm not saying the world is ending. I'm just saying with the next five years it looks bloody bleak, at least for me, turning 40 doesn't look fun. With wars, environmental mess going on; the world looks very dystopian to the vision where it could be utopian in thirty years. The good always triumphs, you just have to fight past the evil first and that could happen.
- Alupis 3y agoThis sort of ridiculous, silly rhetoric needs to end. It's not just unproductive, it's counter-productive. "ThE wOrLd Is EnDiNg!" is such a tired line, used by religious fanatics since the beginning of time. Modern-day climate activism has indeed become it's own sort of religion, complete with the same sort of doom-and-gloom "repent now before it's too late" rhetoric and increasingly not based on facts or science but instead emotional ploys, fearmongering, and faith based arguments. No.. the world isn't ending tomorrow, within 5 years, or even in the next few decades. Yes, we should do better to protect the environment. We just don't need the sensationalism - it turns people off and away from all the silliness.
- wrs 3y agoThe world won’t end for billions of years. In the next few decades, a whole bunch of humans will be financially devastated, physically relocated, and made dangerously jealous, defensive, and angry by climate change. Spin it how you like.
- maybelsyrup 3y ago> We just don't need the sensationalism - it turns people off and away from all the silliness. By contrast, this is the exact sort of haughty condescension that pushes people further away, often right into the hands of real extremists. The sensationalism is there because the problems of our ecology are literally sensational. Dismissing that is the real turnoff here.
- yieldcrv 3y agosounds like we need another term than “normal” state if an ozone layer with a hole is my entire life
- kulahan 3y agoYour life is a hell of a lot shorter than the life of the ozone layer, so it's kinda weird to constrain it to that timeframe
- spacecadet 3y agoYeah but people do this. Consider for a moment that most environmentalism is really just self-preservation... consider the experience of the "earth" over its lifetime, compared to humanities... Feel the need to *just a thought, Im not some anti-climate change nut job...
- S201 3y agoSo in other words, more clickbait doomer-ism titles. It's disappointing to see this type of junk "journalism" be submitted to, and upvoted on, HN.
- jjtheblunt 3y agoi wonder: would clickbait style articles be submitted if there were no karma points?
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- EdwardDiego 3y agoIf you don't live in the Southern Hemisphere, you'll be fine. And if you do, I recommend Neutrogena SPF 50+ sports spray.
- neves 3y agoIf you don't know: Brazil is bigger than mainland USA. USA is bigger due to Alaska.
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- diggan 3y agoCouldn't the US also be bigger because of the 10 states most to the east or whatever? Why specifically Alaska?
- sp332 3y agoBecause it’s way out there and hard to visualize as part of the total area.
- lattalayta 3y agoAnd it's huge! https://www.royalalaskanmovers.com/how-big-is-alaska-comparisons-to-lower-48/ https://www.royalalaskanmovers.com/how-big-is-alaska-compari...
- k_roy 3y agoand the Mercator projection is horrible.
- dmoy 3y agoAlaska is like ~20% of the entire US area. It's the single largest state, which when removed, drops US from >1 million km^2 bigger than Brazil to 500k km^2 smaller than Brazil.
- jonathankoren 3y agoEven Americans don't realize just how freakin' huge Alaska is. https://www.alaska.org/how-big-is-alaska https://www.alaska.org/how-big-is-alaska
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- standardUser 3y agoThe Montreal Protocol has been a massive success and was even strongly supported by Reagan (possibly due to his own skin cancer scare, according to one article). Though I'm highly skeptical it could make it through today's political system in the US.
- flashback2199 3y agoNah I think it could pass today. What set it apart was there was an equivalent cost chemical to switch to. It would be kind of like if there were a different liquid hydrocarbon than gasoline that cost the same, doesn't emit CO2, and only took minor tweaks to the engine design to switch to.
- jeremyjh 3y agoYet I see the “do your own research!” crowd now reference the ozone hole as another example when a cabal of evil scientists came up with a cash grab that the mainstream media terrified everyone with for no reason, and “now no one even talks about it!”.
- flashback2199 3y agoYeah, there are a lot of crazies, but there are also a lot of vacation property owners, tennis players, golfers, etc. and saying, truthfully, that no one will be able to do anything outside again, even with sunscreen, nobody will come rent your properties in Florida to go to the beach again, and the solution doesn't cost anything, it should pass.
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- jonathankoren 3y agoAnd yet those same people out right deny that climate change, and its accompanying sea level rise, is a myth. You'd think the wealthy property owners and governor of a state where it's most valuable economic sectors are on the coast and a mere 10 feet or less above sea level would behave more rationally about the preventable danger that has been predicted for decades, but alas. I guess they're banking on selling their five million dollar beach home to Aquaman. https://pubs.usgs.gov/sim/3047/ https://pubs.usgs.gov/sim/3047/
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- ChrisNorstrom 3y agoJust putting this here for a future "told you so". It's not "man made climate change", it's the upcoming Sun micronova which will cause a pole shift in 15 to 30 years. It happens every certain number of tens of thousands of years on your planet. You should have felt the sun "feel different" over the last few years. It's getting stronger and it's slowly decreasing your protective magnetic field. In a few decades you'll be hit with catestrophic floods, tectonic plate movement, earthquakes, and blasted with solar radiation.
- RoyalHenOil 3y agoMan-made climate change is definitely happening: carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas (we have known this since the 1880s) and we are adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere in very large amounts. Both of these are indisputable. If the poles are reversing, that does not negate man-made climate change. It does the opposite: it makes man-made climate change that much worse. It makes it even more important that we reduce atmospheric carbon, and it gives us a much shorter timeline to do it in.
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- tjpnz 3y agoI thought we dealt with this?
- doitLP 3y ago> Yet despite experiencing large seasonal growth this year, the ozone hole is still decreasing in size overall. "Based on the Montreal Protocol and the decrease of anthropogenic ozone-depleting substances, scientists currently predict that the global ozone layer will reach its normal state again by around 2050," said Claus Zehner, ESA's mission manager for Copernicus Sentinel-5P.
- doitLP 3y agoClickbait: > Yet despite experiencing large seasonal growth this year, the ozone hole is still decreasing in size overall. "Based on the Montreal Protocol and the decrease of anthropogenic ozone-depleting substances, scientists currently predict that the global ozone layer will reach its normal state again by around 2050," said Claus Zehner, ESA's mission manager for Copernicus Sentinel-5P.
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- mixmastamyk 3y agoShall we build ozone factories at McMurdo and Tierra Del Fuego? :-D
- phkahler 3y agoWhat a stupid headline. I have no idea how many times the size of Brazil is normal. Is this 3x as large? Is it 10 percent larger? The whole measure is completely meaningless.
- pjmlp 3y agoApparently it is common in US publications to use such comparisons instead of proper measurements.
- irrational 3y agoEven a proper measurement wouldn't tell me anything. Is 1500 kilometers across big or small for this kind of thing? I have no idea.
- tuatoru 3y agoSo what is that in Manhattan Islands?
- chiefalchemist 3y agoThat's part of the clickbait-ness. "Surely the actual article uses real numbers, let me click and see..." Also, this is the problem with current (what gets passed off as) journalism. The quality of the reporting is replaced with creativity, hyperbole, etc. It's hard to take the profession seriously when it doesn't follow its own rules, doesn't bother to police itself, etc.
- eastbound 3y agoAlso, thickness. The “hole” is not a perforation, it’s an area with less density.
- effnorwood 3y ago[dead]