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Same it’s absolutely beautiful. Makes you realise how amazing the natural world (everything pre-industrial times) is. I’d absolutely love to go back 300 years

Same it’s absolutely beautiful. Makes you realise how amazing the natural world (everything pre-industrial times) is. I’d absolutely love to go back 300 years and smell the forests and dive over pristine reefs. Anyway this has given me more motivation than ever to restart my guerrilla gardening efforts, planting trees in abandoned farmland in my locale.

unsupp0rted 3y ago
Beavers building dams is the amazing natural world. Humans building dams is a sin against the natural world.
- sitkack 3y ago
  We live in Mordor and have the ring.
- glhaynes 3y ago
  Some of the most unreligious people I know are also the most bought-into the idea of a nature/humans dichotomy.
  - goatlover 3y ago
    What if you told them that indigenous people pre-colonization sometimes built dams, dikes and aqueducts, and made use of irrigation?
    - badpun 3y ago
      Indigenous people pre-colonization had in many cases pretty advanced civilizations going on, with decent-sized cities etc.
    - glhaynes 3y ago
      A lot of those same people seem to treat indigenous people as outside of being touched by the "original sin" that the rest of us are.
      - goatlover 3y ago
        The original sin of farming, or hierarchy, or city dwelling. Problem is that the dividing line between our hunter-gatherer ancestors and civilization are murky and spread out over millennia, and across the planet in varying degrees.
- ethanbond 3y ago
  If beavers got as good as we did, they’d be wrong too.
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    If beavers did what we’ve done, we’d exterminate them because it would be an inconvenience for us heh
- pixl97 3y ago
  It's almost like scale is a quality of its own. Dropping a snowball on you might tick you off. Dropping an avalanche on you, and you probably won't have much to say.
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    Very correct. A world with co2 emissions from fire stick farming is a whole different game to what we’ve done in the last 100 years.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  Except your injecting all this into the conversation right ? I never said it’s “wrong” for anyone to build a dam. I’m saying I’d like to see a world without mega dams, is that ok ? I blasphemed against modernity…
SoftTalker 3y ago
> I’d absolutely love to go back 300 years It'd be fun if you could time travel and do it for a few days. I really doubt you'd want to live in that time forever.
- volkk 3y ago
  unrelated to the broader tree discussion, but i find this comment incredibly indicative of the type of forum this is. only with engineers do you have to state your point and enumerate through all edge cases around how your idea can be interpreted even though GP PROBABLY didn't mean go back and live there until the end of his life. But even so, that's a derailment of the entire discussion anyway. You always have a person that needs to point out something inane like that which ends up causing a tangent discussion. On a forum, it's fine, you have threads, you can just ignore it and move on, but a lot of meetings & real conversations end up this way. there has to be a name for this because I want to call it something and then coach people out of it
  - SoftTalker 3y ago
    > On a forum, it's fine, you have threads, you can just ignore it and move on Yet we're on a forum, and you're not taking your own advice?
    - volkk 3y ago
      > On a forum, it's fine, you have threads, you can just ignore it and move on, I should note that ^ -- but it also proves my point. Digressions have gravity. And now this digression has created a complete fork of the original intended post.
      - SoftTalker 3y ago
        Well that's how conversations go, coach. One thought leads to another, sometime tangentially. Don't worry, I'm done here now.
        3y ago
pixl97 3y ago
300? You mean closer to 30,000 years right? Humans have been shaping the world with fire for a long time.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  No 300 would be fine. I’m ok with fire stick farming, it makes forests beautiful, visit North Western Austalia during the dry season if you want to see a truly beautiful landscape shaped by indigenous fire stick farming.

unsupp0rted 3y ago

Beavers building dams is the amazing natural world. Humans building dams is a sin against the natural world.

sitkack 3y ago
We live in Mordor and have the ring.
glhaynes 3y ago
Some of the most unreligious people I know are also the most bought-into the idea of a nature/humans dichotomy.
- goatlover 3y ago
  What if you told them that indigenous people pre-colonization sometimes built dams, dikes and aqueducts, and made use of irrigation?
  - badpun 3y ago
    Indigenous people pre-colonization had in many cases pretty advanced civilizations going on, with decent-sized cities etc.
  - glhaynes 3y ago
    A lot of those same people seem to treat indigenous people as outside of being touched by the "original sin" that the rest of us are.
    - goatlover 3y ago
      The original sin of farming, or hierarchy, or city dwelling. Problem is that the dividing line between our hunter-gatherer ancestors and civilization are murky and spread out over millennia, and across the planet in varying degrees.
ethanbond 3y ago
If beavers got as good as we did, they’d be wrong too.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  If beavers did what we’ve done, we’d exterminate them because it would be an inconvenience for us heh
pixl97 3y ago
It's almost like scale is a quality of its own. Dropping a snowball on you might tick you off. Dropping an avalanche on you, and you probably won't have much to say.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  Very correct. A world with co2 emissions from fire stick farming is a whole different game to what we’ve done in the last 100 years.
ChatGTP 3y ago
Except your injecting all this into the conversation right ? I never said it’s “wrong” for anyone to build a dam. I’m saying I’d like to see a world without mega dams, is that ok ? I blasphemed against modernity…

SoftTalker 3y ago

> I’d absolutely love to go back 300 years It'd be fun if you could time travel and do it for a few days. I really doubt you'd want to live in that time forever.

volkk 3y ago
unrelated to the broader tree discussion, but i find this comment incredibly indicative of the type of forum this is. only with engineers do you have to state your point and enumerate through all edge cases around how your idea can be interpreted even though GP PROBABLY didn't mean go back and live there until the end of his life. But even so, that's a derailment of the entire discussion anyway. You always have a person that needs to point out something inane like that which ends up causing a tangent discussion. On a forum, it's fine, you have threads, you can just ignore it and move on, but a lot of meetings & real conversations end up this way. there has to be a name for this because I want to call it something and then coach people out of it
- SoftTalker 3y ago
  > On a forum, it's fine, you have threads, you can just ignore it and move on Yet we're on a forum, and you're not taking your own advice?
  - volkk 3y ago
    > On a forum, it's fine, you have threads, you can just ignore it and move on, I should note that ^ -- but it also proves my point. Digressions have gravity. And now this digression has created a complete fork of the original intended post.
    - SoftTalker 3y ago
      Well that's how conversations go, coach. One thought leads to another, sometime tangentially. Don't worry, I'm done here now.
      - 3y ago

pixl97 3y ago

300? You mean closer to 30,000 years right? Humans have been shaping the world with fire for a long time.

ChatGTP 3y ago
No 300 would be fine. I’m ok with fire stick farming, it makes forests beautiful, visit North Western Austalia during the dry season if you want to see a truly beautiful landscape shaped by indigenous fire stick farming.