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I have friends who live in Myanmar and can confirm the ground situation was a lot worse. When all your see are hate speech posts ( about beheading or at best dr

I have friends who live in Myanmar and can confirm the ground situation was a lot worse. When all your see are hate speech posts ( about beheading or at best driving away these low lives), it normalizes the hate and dehumanize the victims. History was full of atrocities like this . Free speech is great to have . But violence propaganda is a real problem. You see some of that in America too. Edit : to give people who don’t bother to read the article some idea, many villages were burned down and before that happened , women got raped and killed , the entire village were looted and then killed and then they burned down the villages. The goal was to create fear so that the victims would have no choice but flee their own country. It worked .

agmyintmyatoo 3y ago
All of things you said are happening again after the coup, and the world wouldn't even notice, again.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  It was happening since before the coup, and has been happening since independence. Kachin, Saigang, Rakhine, Shan, and Chin States have all been facing violence insurgencies since independence.
  - v3ss0n 3y ago
    and btw , the person you replying to lives in myanmar.
    - alephnerd 3y ago
      Oh dang!I didn't realize that!
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aragonite 3y ago
You have to ask yourself why are we obsessed with free speech but you never hear anyone preaching free act? Why the arbitrary restriction to speech/expression? Ah, acts can cause harm to others; people can't just be allowed to do whatever they want, though they should be allowed to say whatever they want, because you can't harm other people by what you say, according to ... the "sticks and stones" principle. The entire idea of free speech really rests on something as shaky as the sticks and stones principle!
- tsunamifury 3y ago
  This has to be the single worst posted comment I’ve ever come across on Hackernews. Words force no one to act. You retain the agency to do what you want. That’s on you when you choose to act.
- DiggyJohnson 3y ago
  I don’t see that distinction as arbitrary at all. It seems like, among no other good or obvious options, exactly the place to put the line between free speech and restricted action. There is much “bad” free speech, but “bad” action is intolerable. The distinction between the results of bad speech and bad action are clear - even if it is unfortunately true that speech can inspire action.
  - aragonite 3y ago
    > among no other good or obvious options It seems to me that there's an obvious alternative option. After all, if the reason we find the idea of free speech intuitively appealing is because we subscribe to some version of "speech can do no harm", why not just base everything upon the more fundamental harm principle ("one is free to V as long as V-ing causes no harm to others") which covers both the cases of speech and of act?
    - ellyagg 3y ago
      It's impossible to act in a world of limited resources without "harming" other people. The division between speech and action is practical under the circumstances.
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pauldenton 3y ago
What part of the Myanmar justice system failed? How do people get away with raping and killing people on camera with their identities known by the wider public without going to jail?
- nradov 3y ago
  Are you asking a serious question? Myanmar is a failed state which lacks the rule of law. There is an ongoing civil war and the central government (which is widely considered to be illegitimate) doesn't even have effective control over large parts of the country.
  - fatfingerd 3y ago
    The start of the Rohingya genocide precedes the civil war. The military controlled troops and the civil government controlled police in genocidal operations. A lack of rule of law, but not in the sense that some benevolent government just lacked power to act.
  - pauldenton 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_Corpus_Suspension_Act_(1863) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_Corpus_Suspension_Act_(... When the US entered the civil war the Justice system failed in some ways. And we can track that partially to the suspension of Habeas Corpus. This is the kind of serious answer I would give if someone asked when the US Justice system failed.
naraga 3y ago
This is not about free speech. Problem is algorithmically boosting hate.
- tiahura 3y ago
  The problem seems to be the Burmese.
DSingularity 3y ago
It’s ethnic cleaning and we know that it works and you can get away with it. That’s what the early founders of Israel did and hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled and remain refugees to this day. Some of those who implanted these strategies went on to become leaders in Israeli society. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre 2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_members https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_members
- js4ever 3y ago
  This propaganda have no place here on HN
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  - hifromwork 3y ago
    Why not? Is there a significant difference between (speculating about) those (alleged) genocides? I don't know anything about the events GP linked, but if someone made a (well-researched) post about them I would read it just as I've read this one.
    - js4ever 3y ago
      We are not here to repeat like parots Palestinian propaganda. Let's keep HN our of politics and propaganda. I'll stay purely factual: Please go read definition of genocide. Please check also history and who systematically refuse doing peace. Finally please check this declaration from Abbas few weeks ago: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-66741336.amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-e...
      - DSingularity 3y ago
        What does the words of an idiot like Abbas have to do with systematic ethnic cleansing by Jewish paramilitary/terrorist groups like Haganah/Lehi/Irgun in the 1930s and 1940s? Was Abbas the reason they murdered villagers to scare away the population? Was Abbas the reason they assassinated prominent Palestinian Jews who opposed the foundation of Israel on Palestinian lands? Was Abbas the reason they bombed hotels and engaged in terrorism?

agmyintmyatoo 3y ago

All of things you said are happening again after the coup, and the world wouldn't even notice, again.

alephnerd 3y ago
It was happening since before the coup, and has been happening since independence. Kachin, Saigang, Rakhine, Shan, and Chin States have all been facing violence insurgencies since independence.
- v3ss0n 3y ago
  and btw , the person you replying to lives in myanmar.
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    Oh dang!I didn't realize that!
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aragonite 3y ago

You have to ask yourself why are we obsessed with free speech but you never hear anyone preaching free act? Why the arbitrary restriction to speech/expression? Ah, acts can cause harm to others; people can't just be allowed to do whatever they want, though they should be allowed to say whatever they want, because you can't harm other people by what you say, according to ... the "sticks and stones" principle. The entire idea of free speech really rests on something as shaky as the sticks and stones principle!

tsunamifury 3y ago
This has to be the single worst posted comment I’ve ever come across on Hackernews. Words force no one to act. You retain the agency to do what you want. That’s on you when you choose to act.
DiggyJohnson 3y ago
I don’t see that distinction as arbitrary at all. It seems like, among no other good or obvious options, exactly the place to put the line between free speech and restricted action. There is much “bad” free speech, but “bad” action is intolerable. The distinction between the results of bad speech and bad action are clear - even if it is unfortunately true that speech can inspire action.
- aragonite 3y ago
  > among no other good or obvious options It seems to me that there's an obvious alternative option. After all, if the reason we find the idea of free speech intuitively appealing is because we subscribe to some version of "speech can do no harm", why not just base everything upon the more fundamental harm principle ("one is free to V as long as V-ing causes no harm to others") which covers both the cases of speech and of act?
  - ellyagg 3y ago
    It's impossible to act in a world of limited resources without "harming" other people. The division between speech and action is practical under the circumstances.

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pauldenton 3y ago

What part of the Myanmar justice system failed? How do people get away with raping and killing people on camera with their identities known by the wider public without going to jail?

nradov 3y ago
Are you asking a serious question? Myanmar is a failed state which lacks the rule of law. There is an ongoing civil war and the central government (which is widely considered to be illegitimate) doesn't even have effective control over large parts of the country.
- fatfingerd 3y ago
  The start of the Rohingya genocide precedes the civil war. The military controlled troops and the civil government controlled police in genocidal operations. A lack of rule of law, but not in the sense that some benevolent government just lacked power to act.
- pauldenton 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_Corpus_Suspension_Act_(1863) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_Corpus_Suspension_Act_(... When the US entered the civil war the Justice system failed in some ways. And we can track that partially to the suspension of Habeas Corpus. This is the kind of serious answer I would give if someone asked when the US Justice system failed.

naraga 3y ago

This is not about free speech. Problem is algorithmically boosting hate.

tiahura 3y ago
The problem seems to be the Burmese.

DSingularity 3y ago

It’s ethnic cleaning and we know that it works and you can get away with it. That’s what the early founders of Israel did and hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled and remain refugees to this day. Some of those who implanted these strategies went on to become leaders in Israeli society. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre 2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_members https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_members

js4ever 3y ago
This propaganda have no place here on HN
- deleted 3y ago
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- hifromwork 3y ago
  Why not? Is there a significant difference between (speculating about) those (alleged) genocides? I don't know anything about the events GP linked, but if someone made a (well-researched) post about them I would read it just as I've read this one.
  - js4ever 3y ago
    We are not here to repeat like parots Palestinian propaganda. Let's keep HN our of politics and propaganda. I'll stay purely factual: Please go read definition of genocide. Please check also history and who systematically refuse doing peace. Finally please check this declaration from Abbas few weeks ago: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-66741336.amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-e...
    - DSingularity 3y ago
      What does the words of an idiot like Abbas have to do with systematic ethnic cleansing by Jewish paramilitary/terrorist groups like Haganah/Lehi/Irgun in the 1930s and 1940s? Was Abbas the reason they murdered villagers to scare away the population? Was Abbas the reason they assassinated prominent Palestinian Jews who opposed the foundation of Israel on Palestinian lands? Was Abbas the reason they bombed hotels and engaged in terrorism?