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> "Disable System Identity Protection." This is the first thing I do on any Mac OS system before I start using it.

by perryizgr8 3y ago

przems 3y ago
Could you elaborate why? I’m new to macOS, I’d love to learn more about it.
- sacnoradhq 3y ago
  Don't disable security features because of random comments from randos. Also, don't install shit anywhere but your home directory as you unless you want to break your system in an irreparably, unmaintainable, or unsupported manner. If you're using sudo, you're already doing it wrong. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102149 https://support.apple.com/en-us/102149
  - avidphantasm 3y ago
    Civilized people don’t install things in “/“.
    - dkonofalski 3y ago
      I'm not sure if you were arguing against the parent comment or supporting it but did you actually mean "/" and not "~/"?
      - fredoliveira 3y ago
        Reads like support, and I'm 99% sure they mean "/"
  - Wowfunhappy 3y ago
    > Also, don't install shit anywhere but your home directory as you unless you want to break your system in an irreparably, unmaintainable, or unsupported manner. I guess you don't use Homebrew or MacPorts?
- jppittma 3y ago
  SIP is a feature that protects you from malicious actors with root (admin) access on your device. After they've encrypted your photos and drives and changed your passwords, it prevents them from making your machine unbootable by deleting or altering system binaries. As a side effect of this protection, you give up certain freedoms to customize your system. https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai For instance requires SIP to be disabled.
highwaylights 3y ago
This kind of makes me wonder why you'd have a Mac at all (I'm sure there are use cases). Wouldn't a Linux device, or Linux running on a Mac suit you better? For me, the security picture is one of the main features of the eco-system even if it's very restrictive - disabling SIP undermines it more or less completely.
- jraph 3y ago
  I would think most people choose macOS over Linux for the familiarity with the UI/UX and software availability (Adobe and MS stuff). I would expect a very small number people making this choice over security concerns.
  - szundi 3y ago
    Windows is constantly forces people with popups to makes scary security decisions and if they press no, the world stops working
- walthamstow 3y ago
  I'm not your parent post but surely the easy answer to why use a mac at all is simply how great the hardware is. The 2020 M1 Air is nearly 3 years old and still a brilliant machine.
- rafaelmn 3y ago
  >Wouldn't a Linux device, or Linux running on a Mac suit you better? Maybe they want a unixy desktop with working sound ? Half joking, but that's my use case - homebrew is pretty great, most developers use a Mac in my domains of interest so it's always supported. Linux is just too much work (and I'm using Fedora on my desktop). SIP is just false positives and annoyance. I'm on the fence about M/ARM switch since I still see a lot of friction with containers so I might be looking at framework for my next device. Or just go all in on client/server development model.
  - devsda 3y ago
    > Maybe they want a unixy desktop with working sound ? In my experience, this has not been an issue for the past 10-15 years atleast. Before that there were some problems with few (external) soundcards or random cpu spikes with the mixers. However, the UX can still improve. Switching audio outputs with multiple outputs like external displays etc is not very smooth or intuitive. Some bluetooth headsets have issues but I've had those with a mac as well.
_joel 3y ago
Bizarre
Klonoar 3y ago
So I take it you don't use Apple Pay or anything...? Edit: to be clear for the people who may not know, Apple Pay does not work with SIP disabled. ;P
- prmoustache 3y ago
  Is Apple Pay that popular?
  - matwood 3y ago
    On mobile absolutely [1]. Not sure on the computer, but I use it all the time. [1] https://capitaloneshopping.com/research/apple-pay-statistics/ https://capitaloneshopping.com/research/apple-pay-statistics...
    - artursapek 3y ago
      Apple Pay rocks, it has saved me a few times when I forgot my wallet. And it’s faster to use than pulling out my wallet.
  - larrywright 3y ago
    I use it whenever I can, whether on laptop or mobile.
  - fredoliveira 3y ago
    I don't know whether it is popular everywhere, but it is certainly popular everywhere I go (anywhere in the US, and western Europe). I absolutely love it.
- saagarjha 3y ago
  You can forward Apple Pay requests to your other devices.
- perryizgr8 3y ago
  No, I don't use apple pay. I don't have any apple device for personal use at all, and I wouldn't use my work MacBook for personal payments.
sacnoradhq 3y ago
Then you don't know how to use it.
Angostura 3y ago
... the second thing being scanning for Malware, presumably

> "Disable System Identity Protection." This is the first thing I do on any Mac OS system before I start using it.

przems 3y ago

Could you elaborate why? I’m new to macOS, I’d love to learn more about it.

sacnoradhq 3y ago
Don't disable security features because of random comments from randos. Also, don't install shit anywhere but your home directory as you unless you want to break your system in an irreparably, unmaintainable, or unsupported manner. If you're using sudo, you're already doing it wrong. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102149 https://support.apple.com/en-us/102149
- avidphantasm 3y ago
  Civilized people don’t install things in “/“.
  - dkonofalski 3y ago
    I'm not sure if you were arguing against the parent comment or supporting it but did you actually mean "/" and not "~/"?
    - fredoliveira 3y ago
      Reads like support, and I'm 99% sure they mean "/"
- Wowfunhappy 3y ago
  > Also, don't install shit anywhere but your home directory as you unless you want to break your system in an irreparably, unmaintainable, or unsupported manner. I guess you don't use Homebrew or MacPorts?
jppittma 3y ago
SIP is a feature that protects you from malicious actors with root (admin) access on your device. After they've encrypted your photos and drives and changed your passwords, it prevents them from making your machine unbootable by deleting or altering system binaries. As a side effect of this protection, you give up certain freedoms to customize your system. https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai For instance requires SIP to be disabled.

highwaylights 3y ago

This kind of makes me wonder why you'd have a Mac at all (I'm sure there are use cases). Wouldn't a Linux device, or Linux running on a Mac suit you better? For me, the security picture is one of the main features of the eco-system even if it's very restrictive - disabling SIP undermines it more or less completely.

jraph 3y ago
I would think most people choose macOS over Linux for the familiarity with the UI/UX and software availability (Adobe and MS stuff). I would expect a very small number people making this choice over security concerns.
- szundi 3y ago
  Windows is constantly forces people with popups to makes scary security decisions and if they press no, the world stops working
walthamstow 3y ago
I'm not your parent post but surely the easy answer to why use a mac at all is simply how great the hardware is. The 2020 M1 Air is nearly 3 years old and still a brilliant machine.
rafaelmn 3y ago
>Wouldn't a Linux device, or Linux running on a Mac suit you better? Maybe they want a unixy desktop with working sound ? Half joking, but that's my use case - homebrew is pretty great, most developers use a Mac in my domains of interest so it's always supported. Linux is just too much work (and I'm using Fedora on my desktop). SIP is just false positives and annoyance. I'm on the fence about M/ARM switch since I still see a lot of friction with containers so I might be looking at framework for my next device. Or just go all in on client/server development model.
- devsda 3y ago
  > Maybe they want a unixy desktop with working sound ? In my experience, this has not been an issue for the past 10-15 years atleast. Before that there were some problems with few (external) soundcards or random cpu spikes with the mixers. However, the UX can still improve. Switching audio outputs with multiple outputs like external displays etc is not very smooth or intuitive. Some bluetooth headsets have issues but I've had those with a mac as well.

_joel 3y ago

Bizarre

Klonoar 3y ago

So I take it you don't use Apple Pay or anything...? Edit: to be clear for the people who may not know, Apple Pay does not work with SIP disabled. ;P

prmoustache 3y ago
Is Apple Pay that popular?
- matwood 3y ago
  On mobile absolutely [1]. Not sure on the computer, but I use it all the time. [1] https://capitaloneshopping.com/research/apple-pay-statistics/ https://capitaloneshopping.com/research/apple-pay-statistics...
  - artursapek 3y ago
    Apple Pay rocks, it has saved me a few times when I forgot my wallet. And it’s faster to use than pulling out my wallet.
- larrywright 3y ago
  I use it whenever I can, whether on laptop or mobile.
- fredoliveira 3y ago
  I don't know whether it is popular everywhere, but it is certainly popular everywhere I go (anywhere in the US, and western Europe). I absolutely love it.
saagarjha 3y ago
You can forward Apple Pay requests to your other devices.
perryizgr8 3y ago
No, I don't use apple pay. I don't have any apple device for personal use at all, and I wouldn't use my work MacBook for personal payments.

sacnoradhq 3y ago

Then you don't know how to use it.

Angostura 3y ago

... the second thing being scanning for Malware, presumably