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How so? Ate more healthily at home, walked more, got outside more generally. Physical health likely improved with lockdowns.

by myko 3y ago

trimethylpurine 3y ago
Research from all over the world indicates that this isn't the case. At least, not generally. It may be the case for you.
- clipsy 3y ago
  What research?
  - haldujai 3y ago
    Lifestyle related research, especially diet, is often low quality but as you asked: Physical Activity: https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/5/2235 https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/5/2235 https://bmjopensem.bmj.com/content/bmjosem/7/1/e000960.full.pdf https://bmjopensem.bmj.com/content/bmjosem/7/1/e000960.full.... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003687022001685 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000368702... Diet: https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/15/15/3494 https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/15/15/3494 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41430-021-00897-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41430-021-00897-3 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167629622000601 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016762962...
    - clipsy 3y ago
      Thanks, that's a lot of reading to get through but it's interesting that we see such changes in activity and diet versus the OP article's finding that major health statistics haven't noticeably moved.
      - haldujai 3y ago
        Did they say that? Are you referring to this section or did I miss something, I mostly skimmed the JAMA article: > In our study, baseline clinical characteristics of patients with incident type 1 diabetes and type 2 diabetes were not different during nonpandemic and pandemic years. This is consistent with other studies showing similarity in age, HbA1c, and body mass index among patients with incident diabetes before and during the pandemic. If this is the section you mean that's not discordant, what they're saying is that people with diabetes have similar characteristics during non pandemic and pandemic years. It doesn't comment on whether more people in general have increased BMI therefore placing them at risk for T2DM.
hedora 3y ago
I’ve noticed that some of my friends are in better shape, but most are fatter and are in worse shape. I think lockdowns + wfh pushed most people to one extreme or the other.
djtango 3y ago
Covid was definitely a healthier time for me - I didn't consume a drop of alcohol for almost a year and my mother (who I was staying with) leaned into cooking so I ended up not eating a single repeated meal for almost 6 months. Did lots of walks and outdoor workouts, got a tonne of sunlight and vitamin D On the other hand, just within my own friend group my experiences were quite polar and many of my friends tripled their alcohol intake or ate even more unhealthy take-out food or would start baking cakes and cookies everyday...
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  Covid and a layoff probably saved my life - quit a serious alcohol habit but ended up very sedentary until I got laid off and basically ended up rehabbing myself by helping my parents out with some construction work. Then had a slow year but now I'm back to the gym and finding out that I'm not as decrepit as I thought and headed towards being in the best shape of my life. Been a weird couple years for sure.
VancouverMan 3y ago
That would really depend on where somebody was located. All across Canada, for example, the government-imposed and "public health"-imposed restrictions were remarkably harmful to the health of the general public. It varied somewhat by region, but pretty much all fitness facilities, including gyms, were shut down for extended (many months, if not longer) periods of time. Some never reopened. Losing access to facilities like those was a big problem in a country where harsh winters can seriously limit outdoor activities for several months each year. There were also curfews and other restrictions that prevented or severely limited people from doing exercise and other physical activity outside. The lockdowns and restrictions also destroyed or seriously harmed many businesses, which resulted in significant stress for the employees, owners, suppliers, and others affected. They suffered financial harm, job losses, business losses, and so on. The forced masking and forced shots caused significant stress for those who were lucky enough to not lose their jobs or businesses. Hospitals, medical clinics, and doctors cancelled or significantly delayed huge numbers of procedures and screenings. Those are just a few examples. It went well beyond those. I didn't touch on the harm from the education-related restrictions, for instance. Between 2020 and 2023 in Canada, blatantly idiotic "public health" policies caused far more people far more physical and mental harm than any virus did.
watwut 3y ago
Same here.

How so? Ate more healthily at home, walked more, got outside more generally. Physical health likely improved with lockdowns.

by myko 3y ago

How so? Ate more healthily at home, walked more, got outside more generally. Physical health likely improved with lockdowns.

trimethylpurine 3y ago

Research from all over the world indicates that this isn't the case. At least, not generally. It may be the case for you.

clipsy 3y ago
What research?
- haldujai 3y ago
  Lifestyle related research, especially diet, is often low quality but as you asked: Physical Activity: https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/5/2235 https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/5/2235 https://bmjopensem.bmj.com/content/bmjosem/7/1/e000960.full.pdf https://bmjopensem.bmj.com/content/bmjosem/7/1/e000960.full.... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003687022001685 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000368702... Diet: https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/15/15/3494 https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/15/15/3494 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41430-021-00897-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41430-021-00897-3 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167629622000601 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016762962...
  - clipsy 3y ago
    Thanks, that's a lot of reading to get through but it's interesting that we see such changes in activity and diet versus the OP article's finding that major health statistics haven't noticeably moved.
    - haldujai 3y ago
      Did they say that? Are you referring to this section or did I miss something, I mostly skimmed the JAMA article: > In our study, baseline clinical characteristics of patients with incident type 1 diabetes and type 2 diabetes were not different during nonpandemic and pandemic years. This is consistent with other studies showing similarity in age, HbA1c, and body mass index among patients with incident diabetes before and during the pandemic. If this is the section you mean that's not discordant, what they're saying is that people with diabetes have similar characteristics during non pandemic and pandemic years. It doesn't comment on whether more people in general have increased BMI therefore placing them at risk for T2DM.

hedora 3y ago

I’ve noticed that some of my friends are in better shape, but most are fatter and are in worse shape. I think lockdowns + wfh pushed most people to one extreme or the other.

djtango 3y ago

Covid was definitely a healthier time for me - I didn't consume a drop of alcohol for almost a year and my mother (who I was staying with) leaned into cooking so I ended up not eating a single repeated meal for almost 6 months. Did lots of walks and outdoor workouts, got a tonne of sunlight and vitamin D On the other hand, just within my own friend group my experiences were quite polar and many of my friends tripled their alcohol intake or ate even more unhealthy take-out food or would start baking cakes and cookies everyday...

hotpotamus 3y ago
Covid and a layoff probably saved my life - quit a serious alcohol habit but ended up very sedentary until I got laid off and basically ended up rehabbing myself by helping my parents out with some construction work. Then had a slow year but now I'm back to the gym and finding out that I'm not as decrepit as I thought and headed towards being in the best shape of my life. Been a weird couple years for sure.

VancouverMan 3y ago

That would really depend on where somebody was located. All across Canada, for example, the government-imposed and "public health"-imposed restrictions were remarkably harmful to the health of the general public. It varied somewhat by region, but pretty much all fitness facilities, including gyms, were shut down for extended (many months, if not longer) periods of time. Some never reopened. Losing access to facilities like those was a big problem in a country where harsh winters can seriously limit outdoor activities for several months each year. There were also curfews and other restrictions that prevented or severely limited people from doing exercise and other physical activity outside. The lockdowns and restrictions also destroyed or seriously harmed many businesses, which resulted in significant stress for the employees, owners, suppliers, and others affected. They suffered financial harm, job losses, business losses, and so on. The forced masking and forced shots caused significant stress for those who were lucky enough to not lose their jobs or businesses. Hospitals, medical clinics, and doctors cancelled or significantly delayed huge numbers of procedures and screenings. Those are just a few examples. It went well beyond those. I didn't touch on the harm from the education-related restrictions, for instance. Between 2020 and 2023 in Canada, blatantly idiotic "public health" policies caused far more people far more physical and mental harm than any virus did.

watwut 3y ago

Same here.