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This study says nothing at all about that. Please take your bigotry elsewhere. While there are clear advantages to children having same-sex role models there i

This study says nothing at all about that. Please take your bigotry elsewhere. While there are clear advantages to children having same-sex role models there is no requirement that the role model be a parent.

Supply5411 3y ago
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- wtallis 3y ago
  You're not merely suggesting, you're asserting that there's widespread evidence of a serious problem, without pointing to any.
  - Supply5411 3y ago
    Got me, I totally made up this brand new social idea that men need fathers. It's so new and cutting edge that nobody has ever researched it or looked into it.
    - wtallis 3y ago
      I see that your account is barely two weeks old, so in case you're new here, please take notice: this forum has standards [0]. You're posting in a manner that violates quite a few of the rules. Using snark and playing dumb to evade any risk of serious discussion will earn you a ban in any thread, with or without the context of your obvious undercurrent of bigotry. As for this specific comment: you're still only pointing to hypotheses rather than evidence. And there are enough really obvious counterarguments that there's no way to pretend you're trying to engage in serious conversation. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - Supply5411 3y ago
        It sounds like you're upset that I am pointing out the obviousness of thing you're requiring evidence for, and you're jumping to my use of sarcasm as a technical rule break to threaten reporting me. I'll make my point without sarcasm then: Asking for proof that "men need fathers" is so common sense and obvious that denying it suggests to me that there is no evidence that you would accept. If you're serious and actually want me to find you studies, please describe, in detail, what evidence would change your mind. I want to have a clear understanding of the requirements and goal posts before I make effort towards that. If you don't want to do that, then unfortunately I can only conclude the question was in bad faith.
        wtallis 3y ago
        > Asking for proof that "men need fathers" is so common sense and obvious that denying it suggests to me that there is no evidence that you would accept. You think I'm denying your claim that "men need fathers". That's because you're spoiling for a fight instead of trying to have a reasonable conversation. Before I can take you seriously, you need to start showing some awareness that there are potential alternative explanations for what you claim is too obvious to require evidence. The questions and criticisms your comments raise and the fallacies your comments perpetrate are obvious and plentiful enough that you should be able to anticipate at least some of them yourself, and preemptively respond to them as a way of strengthening your case and making your comments substantive. Instead, you're continuing to make low-effort comments and treating this forum like a playground for your trollish behavior.
        Supply5411 3y ago
        So it seems you're not interested in evidence of the thing you claim to seek, because you're not willing to define what would convince you, so that I can use that to find materials that fit your criteria. Ok, have a nice day :)
        defrost 3y ago
        It's not just wtallis, I also second the opinion that you're failing to provide any comments of substance here. You could be making a case, instead you're just demanding others carry your water for you.
- t-writescode 3y ago
  What is your goal here in this conversation? Would you have the women stay with their abusers and their beaters so that the child can have “two parents”? People don’t leave relationships because they’re good, safe and healthy. Love is what helps a kid grow well and the comradery and care two adults can have for each other can be reflected into children no matter the gender of the adults who serve as examples.
  - Supply5411 3y ago
    >the comradery and care two adults can have for each other can be reflected into children no matter the gender of the adults who serve as examples. The love between a man and a woman is unique and no other arrangement replicates it.
    - t-writescode 3y ago
      How so? Would you describe this uniqueness so that I may understand it?
      - mensetmanusman 3y ago
        Is evolution surprising?
        t-writescode 3y ago
        What does the physical act of having the form of sex that can produce a child have to do, at all, with what happens after that child is conceived? Evolution only operates on "ability to live long enough and put oneself in a circumstance that enables making a baby."
        mensetmanusman 3y ago
        They are strongly linked in a social organism sense to maximize gene transfer to the future.
      - 3y ago
anon291 3y ago
> there is no requirement that the role model be a parent. Requirement no. Advantage yes.
- autoexec 3y ago
  It is also an advantage for children to be raised in homes where their parents are billionaires, but that doesn't make every other family unfit.
  - anon291 3y ago
    Sure. As long as we're clear that a mom and dad are best, I'd agree
    - autoexec 3y ago
      You're confused. Just because there is an advantage in one area that does not make something optimal. Moms and dads are great. What actually matters tho is that children are exposed to men and women who love and support them so that they can learn from them and from the dynamics of their relationships.
      - anon291 3y ago
        Okay. So you don't believe having both male and female parents is an advantage over having same sex on s anymore? I'm not talking about optimal. I'm talking about better than the alternative. All else being equal, should we prefer to place a child in sate custody with a mother and father or to same sex parents. By your statement on it being advantageous above, I'd say we should prefer mom and dad. But now you're contradicting yourself
        clipsy 3y ago
        > So you don't believe having both male and female parents is an advantage over having same sex on s anymore? No.[0] [0]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2023/03/06/kids-raised-by-same-sex-parents-fare-same-as-or-better-than-kids-of-straight-couples-research-finds/?sh=62ba8a777738 https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2023/03/06/kids-rais...

Supply5411 3y ago

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wtallis 3y ago
You're not merely suggesting, you're asserting that there's widespread evidence of a serious problem, without pointing to any.
- Supply5411 3y ago
  Got me, I totally made up this brand new social idea that men need fathers. It's so new and cutting edge that nobody has ever researched it or looked into it.
  - wtallis 3y ago
    I see that your account is barely two weeks old, so in case you're new here, please take notice: this forum has standards [0]. You're posting in a manner that violates quite a few of the rules. Using snark and playing dumb to evade any risk of serious discussion will earn you a ban in any thread, with or without the context of your obvious undercurrent of bigotry. As for this specific comment: you're still only pointing to hypotheses rather than evidence. And there are enough really obvious counterarguments that there's no way to pretend you're trying to engage in serious conversation. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - Supply5411 3y ago
      It sounds like you're upset that I am pointing out the obviousness of thing you're requiring evidence for, and you're jumping to my use of sarcasm as a technical rule break to threaten reporting me. I'll make my point without sarcasm then: Asking for proof that "men need fathers" is so common sense and obvious that denying it suggests to me that there is no evidence that you would accept. If you're serious and actually want me to find you studies, please describe, in detail, what evidence would change your mind. I want to have a clear understanding of the requirements and goal posts before I make effort towards that. If you don't want to do that, then unfortunately I can only conclude the question was in bad faith.
      - wtallis 3y ago
        > Asking for proof that "men need fathers" is so common sense and obvious that denying it suggests to me that there is no evidence that you would accept. You think I'm denying your claim that "men need fathers". That's because you're spoiling for a fight instead of trying to have a reasonable conversation. Before I can take you seriously, you need to start showing some awareness that there are potential alternative explanations for what you claim is too obvious to require evidence. The questions and criticisms your comments raise and the fallacies your comments perpetrate are obvious and plentiful enough that you should be able to anticipate at least some of them yourself, and preemptively respond to them as a way of strengthening your case and making your comments substantive. Instead, you're continuing to make low-effort comments and treating this forum like a playground for your trollish behavior.
        Supply5411 3y ago
        So it seems you're not interested in evidence of the thing you claim to seek, because you're not willing to define what would convince you, so that I can use that to find materials that fit your criteria. Ok, have a nice day :)
        defrost 3y ago
        It's not just wtallis, I also second the opinion that you're failing to provide any comments of substance here. You could be making a case, instead you're just demanding others carry your water for you.
t-writescode 3y ago
What is your goal here in this conversation? Would you have the women stay with their abusers and their beaters so that the child can have “two parents”? People don’t leave relationships because they’re good, safe and healthy. Love is what helps a kid grow well and the comradery and care two adults can have for each other can be reflected into children no matter the gender of the adults who serve as examples.
- Supply5411 3y ago
  >the comradery and care two adults can have for each other can be reflected into children no matter the gender of the adults who serve as examples. The love between a man and a woman is unique and no other arrangement replicates it.
  - t-writescode 3y ago
    How so? Would you describe this uniqueness so that I may understand it?
    - mensetmanusman 3y ago
      Is evolution surprising?
      - t-writescode 3y ago
        What does the physical act of having the form of sex that can produce a child have to do, at all, with what happens after that child is conceived? Evolution only operates on "ability to live long enough and put oneself in a circumstance that enables making a baby."
        mensetmanusman 3y ago
        They are strongly linked in a social organism sense to maximize gene transfer to the future.
    - 3y ago

anon291 3y ago

> there is no requirement that the role model be a parent. Requirement no. Advantage yes.

autoexec 3y ago
It is also an advantage for children to be raised in homes where their parents are billionaires, but that doesn't make every other family unfit.
- anon291 3y ago
  Sure. As long as we're clear that a mom and dad are best, I'd agree
  - autoexec 3y ago
    You're confused. Just because there is an advantage in one area that does not make something optimal. Moms and dads are great. What actually matters tho is that children are exposed to men and women who love and support them so that they can learn from them and from the dynamics of their relationships.
    - anon291 3y ago
      Okay. So you don't believe having both male and female parents is an advantage over having same sex on s anymore? I'm not talking about optimal. I'm talking about better than the alternative. All else being equal, should we prefer to place a child in sate custody with a mother and father or to same sex parents. By your statement on it being advantageous above, I'd say we should prefer mom and dad. But now you're contradicting yourself
      - clipsy 3y ago
        > So you don't believe having both male and female parents is an advantage over having same sex on s anymore? No.[0] [0]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2023/03/06/kids-raised-by-same-sex-parents-fare-same-as-or-better-than-kids-of-straight-couples-research-finds/?sh=62ba8a777738 https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2023/03/06/kids-rais...