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Probably a bit of a double-edged sword because frankly Hayao does not seem to care for Goro all that much.

the_af 3y ago
I'm not sure I understand... this news indicates that Goro will not be leading Ghibli. So what would be the double-edged sword?
- Mistletoe 3y ago
  I’m also confused, does he not like his own son?
  - jd3 3y ago
    He was a self-described absentee father, stated that being around his son made him anxious, dissuaded Goro from getting into animation, and was critical and generally unsupportive of the three films that Goro directed. Goro even stated that he only got to know his father through his films since Hayao was never around. Goro was raised by his mother, who quit pursuing her dream of working as an animator in order to raise him.
    - Der_Einzige 3y ago
      Goros films to be fair were pretty bad. Tales from the earth sea in particular is shockingly bad.
      - hotdogscout 3y ago
        Kokuriko-zaka Kara was really good though. Better than Miyazaki's earlier work (Sherlock Hound, Conan, Lupin). I find them very simple and mediocre compared to anything of that time or even 60's anime like 009.
      - mandmandam 3y ago
        I liked it, as a huge Le Guin fan. It wasn't quite Ghibli level, but it wasn't that far off. It got the heart right, and it was a lot better than the average movie imo. Adapting books to film is really, really hard, as is animating, and directing, etc. Le Guin was critical of the movie, for valid reasons, but I don't think she hated it. Which, being fair, is an accomplishment.
      - rkuykendall-com 3y ago
        From Up on Poppy Hill is actually my favorite. But I haven't seen his others.
        elmomle 3y ago
        That one was still (co-)written by Hayao, and the writing / story composition is definitely what makes that film so strong.
      - Aeolun 3y ago
        I didn’t really have issues with it. It certainly wasn’t stellar, but at least solidly average.
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  - peoplefromibiza 3y ago
    > does he not like his own son? in what way is it any of our business? in what way what a father does or doesn't leave to his son can be used to determine how much he loves or doesn't love him? Goro is a 56 years old man, he's beyond middle age, he lived more than half of his life already, why are you treating him like a small defenseless child?
    - Mistletoe 3y ago
      You seem a little too close to this haha. I know nothing of their history I’m just asking a simple innocent question. Yes I think it would be odd for someone to not like their own son.
      - peoplefromibiza 3y ago
        a lot of people do not understand how the Japanese culture works and they assume that helicopter parents are the best of the best, but it's just US distorted parenting percolating, it has nothing to do with what's right or wrong. If I created something and I wanted that thing to die with me, the love for my children wouldn't in any way stop me. Legacy and honor are much more important than nepotism for some. Also, he's saving Goro from being "the son of Miyazaki that was never good as the father" forever. He's Goro. He's a different person. He made his own choices regardless of who the father is and owes him nothing. That's a gift if you ask me.
        dylan604 3y ago
        And then there's the story of Jiro, the Japanese sushi maker that was so highly praised, but it turned out that it was his oldest son that was actually making the sushi. Anecdotes of 1 are meaningless other than fun stories to share.
        peoplefromibiza 3y ago
        That's a good one. I've never been a Jiro fan though, there are many sushi makers in japan that can be considered artists in their craft, but their cultural impact is mehh at best. Studio Ghibli, both Miyazaki and Takahata, on the other hand...
- micromacrofoot 3y ago
  the double-edged sword is the relief of not having to run the studio, but the disappointment that you don't meet your father's expectations
peoplefromibiza 3y ago
> because frankly Hayao does not seem to care for Goro all that much or maybe he thinks that Ghibli should not survive him, which is in his full rights. Goro can open his own studio if he wants to.
- micromacrofoot 3y ago
  sure maybe that too, but he's panned Goro's work very publicly on multiple occasions
  - peoplefromibiza 3y ago
    I don't really (honestly) understand this critique. What's wrong in being honest? Goro works are clearly inferior to his father's works on many levels. He's no amateur, that's for sure, but he's no master either. Among the best Japanese animation artists, he's probably average. He's no Takahata, Oshii, Otomo, Anno, Watanabe, Hosoda by a long shot. Hayao worst rated works on Rotten Tomatoes are "The cat returns" and "The wind rises" and I completely agree on that, with a rating of 88%. Goro worst is "Earwig and the Witch" that I have not watched with a 28%, "Tales From Earthsea" that I've seen and did not like much with 38% and the best is "From Up on Poppy Hill" with 87%, which was good, but not "Spirited Away", "Princess Mononoke" or "Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind" good. And Nausicaa itself is not as good as a movie as the manga, that is an order of magnitude better! Have you ever read or heard about the 3 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart children that survived? No? You are not the only one.
    - micromacrofoot 3y ago
      It's just the way it was done, unsympathetically, in front of the whole world. I wouldn't do that to an employee, let alone my own child.
      - peoplefromibiza 3y ago
        That doesn't make Hayao a bad person. I see him as a concerned father. "Don't put yourself in the position of being judged in the very competitive field of Japanese animation, because your works are not as great as you think they are" It's like being the son of Michelangelo. Of course everyone of us tells kids that their terrible drawings are sooooo goooood, but they are terrible. Now, Goro was already 40 years old when his first movie came out.

I'm not sure I understand... this news indicates that Goro will not be leading Ghibli. So what would be the double-edged sword?

Mistletoe 3y ago
I’m also confused, does he not like his own son?
- jd3 3y ago
  He was a self-described absentee father, stated that being around his son made him anxious, dissuaded Goro from getting into animation, and was critical and generally unsupportive of the three films that Goro directed. Goro even stated that he only got to know his father through his films since Hayao was never around. Goro was raised by his mother, who quit pursuing her dream of working as an animator in order to raise him.
  - Der_Einzige 3y ago
    Goros films to be fair were pretty bad. Tales from the earth sea in particular is shockingly bad.
    - hotdogscout 3y ago
      Kokuriko-zaka Kara was really good though. Better than Miyazaki's earlier work (Sherlock Hound, Conan, Lupin). I find them very simple and mediocre compared to anything of that time or even 60's anime like 009.
    - mandmandam 3y ago
      I liked it, as a huge Le Guin fan. It wasn't quite Ghibli level, but it wasn't that far off. It got the heart right, and it was a lot better than the average movie imo. Adapting books to film is really, really hard, as is animating, and directing, etc. Le Guin was critical of the movie, for valid reasons, but I don't think she hated it. Which, being fair, is an accomplishment.
    - rkuykendall-com 3y ago
      From Up on Poppy Hill is actually my favorite. But I haven't seen his others.
      - elmomle 3y ago
        That one was still (co-)written by Hayao, and the writing / story composition is definitely what makes that film so strong.
    - Aeolun 3y ago
      I didn’t really have issues with it. It certainly wasn’t stellar, but at least solidly average.
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- peoplefromibiza 3y ago
  > does he not like his own son? in what way is it any of our business? in what way what a father does or doesn't leave to his son can be used to determine how much he loves or doesn't love him? Goro is a 56 years old man, he's beyond middle age, he lived more than half of his life already, why are you treating him like a small defenseless child?
  - Mistletoe 3y ago
    You seem a little too close to this haha. I know nothing of their history I’m just asking a simple innocent question. Yes I think it would be odd for someone to not like their own son.
    - peoplefromibiza 3y ago
      a lot of people do not understand how the Japanese culture works and they assume that helicopter parents are the best of the best, but it's just US distorted parenting percolating, it has nothing to do with what's right or wrong. If I created something and I wanted that thing to die with me, the love for my children wouldn't in any way stop me. Legacy and honor are much more important than nepotism for some. Also, he's saving Goro from being "the son of Miyazaki that was never good as the father" forever. He's Goro. He's a different person. He made his own choices regardless of who the father is and owes him nothing. That's a gift if you ask me.
      - dylan604 3y ago
        And then there's the story of Jiro, the Japanese sushi maker that was so highly praised, but it turned out that it was his oldest son that was actually making the sushi. Anecdotes of 1 are meaningless other than fun stories to share.
        peoplefromibiza 3y ago
        That's a good one. I've never been a Jiro fan though, there are many sushi makers in japan that can be considered artists in their craft, but their cultural impact is mehh at best. Studio Ghibli, both Miyazaki and Takahata, on the other hand...
micromacrofoot 3y ago
the double-edged sword is the relief of not having to run the studio, but the disappointment that you don't meet your father's expectations

peoplefromibiza 3y ago

> because frankly Hayao does not seem to care for Goro all that much or maybe he thinks that Ghibli should not survive him, which is in his full rights. Goro can open his own studio if he wants to.

micromacrofoot 3y ago
sure maybe that too, but he's panned Goro's work very publicly on multiple occasions
- peoplefromibiza 3y ago
  I don't really (honestly) understand this critique. What's wrong in being honest? Goro works are clearly inferior to his father's works on many levels. He's no amateur, that's for sure, but he's no master either. Among the best Japanese animation artists, he's probably average. He's no Takahata, Oshii, Otomo, Anno, Watanabe, Hosoda by a long shot. Hayao worst rated works on Rotten Tomatoes are "The cat returns" and "The wind rises" and I completely agree on that, with a rating of 88%. Goro worst is "Earwig and the Witch" that I have not watched with a 28%, "Tales From Earthsea" that I've seen and did not like much with 38% and the best is "From Up on Poppy Hill" with 87%, which was good, but not "Spirited Away", "Princess Mononoke" or "Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind" good. And Nausicaa itself is not as good as a movie as the manga, that is an order of magnitude better! Have you ever read or heard about the 3 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart children that survived? No? You are not the only one.
  - micromacrofoot 3y ago
    It's just the way it was done, unsympathetically, in front of the whole world. I wouldn't do that to an employee, let alone my own child.
    - peoplefromibiza 3y ago
      That doesn't make Hayao a bad person. I see him as a concerned father. "Don't put yourself in the position of being judged in the very competitive field of Japanese animation, because your works are not as great as you think they are" It's like being the son of Michelangelo. Of course everyone of us tells kids that their terrible drawings are sooooo goooood, but they are terrible. Now, Goro was already 40 years old when his first movie came out.