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Men have the rights to do all of those things.

by clipsy 3y ago

PaulHoule 3y ago
But you sure can get your head stuffed in a trash can in some places for it.
- clipsy 3y ago
  By whom?
  - PaulHoule 3y ago
    Your fellow man.
    - clipsy 3y ago
      From the post I originally replied to: > It seems fair that if women claim more rights, then men can claim some of these "soft" rights too. So it seems the argument is that because men prevent other men from exercising their rights, women deserve to be stripped of rights? Interesting logic. If men are stopping you from exercising your rights perhaps you should listen to the folks talking about toxic masculinity -- which is exactly what you're describing -- rather than trying to punish women.
      - PaulHoule 3y ago
        Somebody else may be saying something else in this thread but I am not saying anything about women, I'm talking about the burden of being a man and the way "the patriarchy" or whatever it is can very much kick your ass. That is, it is not a system that works to the benefit of all men but rather a system that privileges some men and uses violence to keep the rest in line.
- pixl97 3y ago
  Where is assault legal in the US?
  - PaulHoule 3y ago
    It's not like the DC universe where you can launch a space shuttle off a commercial airliner and Superman saves your ass. There is plenty of violent behavior where it comes down to "he said, she said" and the police and legal system practically do nothing. For example at my undergrad school I made fun of some gay bashers so they came after me instead of going after gay people because this was the 1990s and they probably thought if they actually bashed gays they'd get AIDS or something. Their reign of terror against me and other people like the president of the paint pellet gun club continued for a year until they finally smashed somebody in the face with a rock at point blank range from a water balloon catapult in front of tens of witnesses. I am still sore to this day at the dean of students who made excuses instead of busting the people involved. A gay man and a lesbian women committed suicide when this was going and I blame that dean of student more than anyone because the key thing about bullying is how the whole institution rallies to the support of the bully (e.g. if the institution can't protect you from that kind of abuse it is showing you you are worthless, not just *telling you.) I heard the ringleader of that gang did time and if he got out and went "straight" and put his life together and stayed out of trouble I would want to shake his hand because I know how hard that is, but that dean of students is celebrated as a hero for all the good things he's done for that school and I think never held to account for his role in that incident. When I really think about it I felt that I belonged there much more than many places in my life but I have not given money, been to reunions, or anything like that.
inemesitaffia 3y ago
Almost only if they are élite
em-bee 3y ago
in new zealand men can't get a job as a kindergarten or primary school teacher (not sure about middle or high school) because parents won't have it.
- foogazi 3y ago
  Male parents too ?
  - amelius 3y ago
    I'm guessing that by far the majority of children in a typical year are from "traditional" families, which kinda makes this question irrelevant unless I'm misunderstanding.
    - foogazi 3y ago
      The article is about how men need help. Gp stated men can’t even get jobs teaching children. But men also participate in the decision to keep men out of schools Gender seems to cancel out here
  - em-bee 3y ago
    i have seen families where the male parents absolutely didn't want to have anything to do with childcare. so i don't believe that it is a far stretch that some people come to the conclusion that this is normal and they shouldn't do childcare, and any man who is caring about children would be suspicious.
    - foogazi 3y ago
      It’s because of the fear of sexual abuse and the belief that no penis / no rape
- acdha 3y ago
  Do you have more information about that? I know there’s a big gender skew but that’s nowhere near as simple as “men can’t get a job” and has multiple causes.

Men have the rights to do all of those things.

by clipsy 3y ago

Men have the rights to do all of those things.

PaulHoule 3y ago

But you sure can get your head stuffed in a trash can in some places for it.

clipsy 3y ago
By whom?
- PaulHoule 3y ago
  Your fellow man.
  - clipsy 3y ago
    From the post I originally replied to: > It seems fair that if women claim more rights, then men can claim some of these "soft" rights too. So it seems the argument is that because men prevent other men from exercising their rights, women deserve to be stripped of rights? Interesting logic. If men are stopping you from exercising your rights perhaps you should listen to the folks talking about toxic masculinity -- which is exactly what you're describing -- rather than trying to punish women.
    - PaulHoule 3y ago
      Somebody else may be saying something else in this thread but I am not saying anything about women, I'm talking about the burden of being a man and the way "the patriarchy" or whatever it is can very much kick your ass. That is, it is not a system that works to the benefit of all men but rather a system that privileges some men and uses violence to keep the rest in line.
pixl97 3y ago
Where is assault legal in the US?
- PaulHoule 3y ago
  It's not like the DC universe where you can launch a space shuttle off a commercial airliner and Superman saves your ass. There is plenty of violent behavior where it comes down to "he said, she said" and the police and legal system practically do nothing. For example at my undergrad school I made fun of some gay bashers so they came after me instead of going after gay people because this was the 1990s and they probably thought if they actually bashed gays they'd get AIDS or something. Their reign of terror against me and other people like the president of the paint pellet gun club continued for a year until they finally smashed somebody in the face with a rock at point blank range from a water balloon catapult in front of tens of witnesses. I am still sore to this day at the dean of students who made excuses instead of busting the people involved. A gay man and a lesbian women committed suicide when this was going and I blame that dean of student more than anyone because the key thing about bullying is how the whole institution rallies to the support of the bully (e.g. if the institution can't protect you from that kind of abuse it is showing you you are worthless, not just *telling you.) I heard the ringleader of that gang did time and if he got out and went "straight" and put his life together and stayed out of trouble I would want to shake his hand because I know how hard that is, but that dean of students is celebrated as a hero for all the good things he's done for that school and I think never held to account for his role in that incident. When I really think about it I felt that I belonged there much more than many places in my life but I have not given money, been to reunions, or anything like that.

inemesitaffia 3y ago

Almost only if they are élite

em-bee 3y ago

in new zealand men can't get a job as a kindergarten or primary school teacher (not sure about middle or high school) because parents won't have it.

foogazi 3y ago
Male parents too ?
- amelius 3y ago
  I'm guessing that by far the majority of children in a typical year are from "traditional" families, which kinda makes this question irrelevant unless I'm misunderstanding.
  - foogazi 3y ago
    The article is about how men need help. Gp stated men can’t even get jobs teaching children. But men also participate in the decision to keep men out of schools Gender seems to cancel out here
- em-bee 3y ago
  i have seen families where the male parents absolutely didn't want to have anything to do with childcare. so i don't believe that it is a far stretch that some people come to the conclusion that this is normal and they shouldn't do childcare, and any man who is caring about children would be suspicious.
  - foogazi 3y ago
    It’s because of the fear of sexual abuse and the belief that no penis / no rape
acdha 3y ago
Do you have more information about that? I know there’s a big gender skew but that’s nowhere near as simple as “men can’t get a job” and has multiple causes.