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Intel Introduces Thunderbolt 5 Connectivity Standard
- melling 3y agoApple uses this? And today we have Apple announcements.
- zaptrem 3y agoWhat iPhone use case would this much bandwidth be useful for?
- scrlk 3y agoQuickly transferring high resolution ProRes videos?
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- wlesieutre 3y agoImporting 4K ProRes video for editing on a computer?
- gessha 3y agoI feel that's a bit overkill. From practical perspective, how often would you be downloading 4K ProRes from your phone vs sharing a lower res version? Unless Apple are setting up for something related to Vision Pro I don't know if it's useful to include this on their phones. A regular USB-C connection would suffice for occasional backup.
- least 3y agoiPhones are used for professional videography, so for those people, all the time.
- wlesieutre 3y agoJust announced that the 15 Pro can record directly to external storage
- xattt 3y agoMonitoring 8K output from a Pro model.
- jxramos 3y agopossibly using the iPhone as a camera on a macbook I'd think. Also locally backing up an iOS device to a desktop with speed.
- ethanbond 3y agoYou can do the camera thing today over wifi though
- rsynnott 3y ago40Gbit/sec should be quite enough for a _camera_.
- Kirby64 3y agoiPhone camera has absolutely no need for 80 or 120Gbit for webcam usage. It works just fine even with standard USB2 bandwidth. Backups maybe, but I suspect you're going to be limited by the speed of the storage on both sides. Existing thunderbolt 3 already supports 40 gigabit/s. Not much storage, even apples storage, supports 5000MB/s read/write except for very short periods of time.
- sgerenser 3y agoRumors are the iPhone 15 Pro will have Thunderbolt, but it's not going to be 5. Probably Thunderbolt 4, although 3 would be plenty if there was some reason (lower power?) to use that over 4.
- ChrisArchitect 3y agoSo what version of USB is this? /s
- kcb 3y agoNo joking, it's actually USB4 V2....
- brookst 3y agogen1 or gen2?
- kwanbix 3y agoWas it. It is now USB 3 Gen 3
- Astronaut3315 3y agoUltra speed gen 128x256 v3.2
- meepmorp 3y agoIt's incredibly sad and frustrating that I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. God, I hate the USB standards folks.
- amelius 3y agoOk, how many Lbs of reference manuals do I have to read to practically use it?
- spicybright 3y agoI know cable standards are better today (esp. Cell phone chargers) but I miss being able to know what a cable or port does by the shape of it. Now I have a drawer of USB c style connectors with tape on them I write what the cable can do or not.
- brookst 3y agoSame. It turns out physical port standardization was a red herring. If I can’t charge my laptop with a cable, it does me no good to have the same physical interface.
- user3939382 3y agoMaybe we can at least switch to a color standard like we had with the block inside USB 2 v 3 (where 3 was blue). Many manufacturers didn’t/don’t honor it but it’s nice when they do. Color could be added to solve this without having to retool cable factories. The only problem I guess is that USB C is such a mess and has so many possible combinations of features the colors may be hard to remember. Maybe there would be common ones?
- brookst 3y agoIt could be like resistors, where there are separate stripes for voltage, wattage, data transfer speed, DisplayPort version, thunderbolt support, etc. So you’d know a cable with red-green-black-blue-yellow was good for up to 60w @ 20v, USB 3.2 transfer speeds, DisplayPort 1.4, no thunderbolt, no active electronics.
- cassianoleal 3y agoNow make the license costs bearable so it becomes ubiquitous.
- jabiko 3y agoIntel doesn't charge licensing fees. You might have to pay a lab to certify your device as Thunderbolt 5 compliant, but that's a one time cost and nothing that Intel charges for.
- galad87 3y agoDidn't they already removed it years ago? At least for Thunderbolt 3:https://www.pcmag.com/news/to-spread-thunderbolt-intel-will-let-others-make-it-royalty-free https://www.pcmag.com/news/to-spread-thunderbolt-intel-will-...
- Aromasin 3y agoThey removed the license costs on Thunderbolt nearly 6 years ago...
- delfinom 3y agoWell, in the PC space, Thunderbolt is intentionally market segregated by motherboard vendors who basically only put it on top tier motherboards for both Intel and AMD. But even for phones it isn't easy to implement as you have to basically throw PCI lanes at a thunderbolt controller or roll your own thunderbolt IP internal to the processor. Otherwise, Intel removed all fees and shifted to a royalty free license with Thunderbolt 3 in 2017.
- kevinherron 3y agoHopefully this means we can have an Apple 27" 5K or 32" 6K display with ProMotion some day.
- adocomplete 3y agoHopefully this means Promotion support for monitors for MacBooks. Being limited to 60hz isn't ideal.
- rsynnott 3y agoIn case you were wondering about the "bandwidth boost" thing alluded to in the press release: > As Intel has demoed with a prototype in the past, the new Bandwidth Boost mode uses three of the 40 Gbps pipelines in transmit mode to deliver up to 120 Gbps of transmit speed, albeit at the cost of stepping down to a 40 Gbps receive rate.
- hlandau 3y agoIn what way is this a standard? Where can I read the specification?
- trustingtrust 3y ago3 USB-C's walk into a bar. They all order different drinks of different sizes. The bartender forgets who ordered what. Its a mess.
- ecliptik 3y agoMore bandwidth is always good, but this also has universal cabling support for 240W charging [1]. My M1 MacBook Pro can use a single Thunderbolt 4 cable to an external monitor supporting 100w now. But if the battery is charging, occasionally the external screen blanks until the battery is fully charged or connected to external power. 1. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/thunderbolt-5-debuts-120-gbps-speed-is-three-times-faster-than-previous-gen https://www.tomshardware.com/news/thunderbolt-5-debuts-120-g...
- bb88 3y agoAs a consumer, TB4/USB4 is fast enough. What I want is more pci-e lanes, without getting into the HEDT processors.
- BackBlast 3y agoWould be nice if systems offered more bifurcation. An NVMe SSD on pcie 4 could easily run off 2 lanes and be fine. 1 lane for 5. You lose a bit of top end transfer that shows up in the benchmarks, but it's near impossible to tell.
- pier25 3y agoTB3 and 4 have a max data transfer rate of 23 Gbps iirc when using an SSD. I wonder what's the actual max data transfer speed of TB5.
- zamadatix 3y agoThe release materials mention 2x more bandwidth for external SSDs and that lines of with the mentioned PCIe gen 3 -> PCIe gen 4 upgrade also noted. On Thunderbolt 3/4 that was 32 Gb/s prior to encoding overhead and the not-a-perfect-world factor so, extending that to twice the raw bandwidth, I'd guess somewhere around ~55 Gb/s for NVMe SSDs.