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> some roles don’t really have a budget, salary will depend on applicant and can range a lot Not a real problem. That can be expressed as a range. For example,

> some roles don’t really have a budget, salary will depend on applicant and can range a lot Not a real problem. That can be expressed as a range. For example, 100k-infinity.

l33t7332273 3y ago
$100k+ isn’t very helpful if you make $180k and only want to apply for jobs paying $200k+. I could see ranges having some issues
- jamilton 3y ago
  It's better than nothing.
- deprecative 3y ago
  Employers will always try to get you to undervalue yourself so they can get away with paying you as little as possible. Taking tools away from them that they use to do this is only a good thing.
  - phpisthebest 3y ago
    While I 100% agree with wage transparency, just like I agree with price transparency for any other good... This idea that there is some evil conspiracy to screw people is crazy to me. Everyone wants to get the best price they can for anything, I am sure when you hire a HVAC person, or a plumber you are not looking to hire the most expensive person, you are looking to hire the best value... Why do people believe employment is something different than any other goods exchange, employers buy labor from the market no different you buy a computer monitor, or a plumber. I think everyone should have transparent pricing for everything, if Space X can post pricing to launch something into orbit, then dave the plumber can publish his rates, and Amce Corp can publish what they are paying employees... "Call for pricing" should be a thing of the past for products just like "We pay competitive wages" should be a thing of the past for job ads.
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      > This idea that there is some evil conspiracy to screw people is crazy to me. Bruh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_Litigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L... https://goodjobsfirst.org/conspiring-against-competition/ https://goodjobsfirst.org/conspiring-against-competition/ https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/14/business/economy/wages-antitrust-law-us.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/14/business/economy/wages-an... https://archive.ph/2022.03.07-193856/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/07/business/economy/treasury-competition-report.html https://archive.ph/2022.03.07-193856/https://www.nytimes.com... https://www.justice.gov/atr/file/903511/download https://www.justice.gov/atr/file/903511/download
      - phpisthebest 3y ago
        Bruh.... exceptions do not make a rule
        toomuchtodo 3y ago
        If $96 billions in fines over two decades and thousands of companies doesn’t demonstrate a pattern, I don’t know what to tell you. Perhaps we’re haggling over the conspiracy ruler. Refer to your quote I quoted, and the data provided. There is clearly a broad effort to suppress wages, even if everyone involved isn’t getting together at a Skull and Bones convention to do it.
        phpisthebest 3y ago
        you provided 5 links, about one 1 incident involving 5 companies and a possible 64,000 employees in a nation of almost 200 million working people..
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        mattgrice 3y ago
  - BlackEngineer 3y ago
    I mean; that sounds like a personal problem. If you take responsibility for your life and are honest with yourself about the value you bring to the table, then what you’re saying is moot.
    - deprecative 3y ago
      I often forget how techbro-libertarian this site can be. Carry on.
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  Thats from the candidates perspective. Its no less helpful than not publishing the range.
- maxerickson 3y ago
  The supposed issue there would be missed matches no? If the range really is quite wide, the employer probably isn't really trying very hard to hire at the top end and someone at that price can compare it to their options well enough before spending time on it.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  A bottom limit is always helpful, for all applicants. For those who expect more and do not want to waste time, they can look elsewhere. For prospective labor sellers, such as high school and college students or career changers, the bottom limit (and its trend) can help them project cash flow if they were to pursue that type of work. And it results in a more efficient allocation of labor for the country as a whole. For example, it could more quickly signal to people that we need fewer paper pushers and more trades workers.
noku 3y ago
Or 0k-infinity, which is the current state!
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  Sure, if that’s how the employer wants to do it. I wouldn’t say that’s the current state though.
BlackEngineer 3y ago
It’s not a real problem for people who’s skill set is commoditized. This is a real problem for high value employees. This all really feels like McDonalds employees forcing the rest of us to negotiate the way they have to.

> some roles don’t really have a budget, salary will depend on applicant and can range a lot Not a real problem. That can be expressed as a range. For example, 100k-infinity.

l33t7332273 3y ago

$100k+ isn’t very helpful if you make $180k and only want to apply for jobs paying $200k+. I could see ranges having some issues

jamilton 3y ago
It's better than nothing.
deprecative 3y ago
Employers will always try to get you to undervalue yourself so they can get away with paying you as little as possible. Taking tools away from them that they use to do this is only a good thing.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  While I 100% agree with wage transparency, just like I agree with price transparency for any other good... This idea that there is some evil conspiracy to screw people is crazy to me. Everyone wants to get the best price they can for anything, I am sure when you hire a HVAC person, or a plumber you are not looking to hire the most expensive person, you are looking to hire the best value... Why do people believe employment is something different than any other goods exchange, employers buy labor from the market no different you buy a computer monitor, or a plumber. I think everyone should have transparent pricing for everything, if Space X can post pricing to launch something into orbit, then dave the plumber can publish his rates, and Amce Corp can publish what they are paying employees... "Call for pricing" should be a thing of the past for products just like "We pay competitive wages" should be a thing of the past for job ads.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    > This idea that there is some evil conspiracy to screw people is crazy to me. Bruh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_Litigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L... https://goodjobsfirst.org/conspiring-against-competition/ https://goodjobsfirst.org/conspiring-against-competition/ https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/14/business/economy/wages-antitrust-law-us.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/14/business/economy/wages-an... https://archive.ph/2022.03.07-193856/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/07/business/economy/treasury-competition-report.html https://archive.ph/2022.03.07-193856/https://www.nytimes.com... https://www.justice.gov/atr/file/903511/download https://www.justice.gov/atr/file/903511/download
    - phpisthebest 3y ago
      Bruh.... exceptions do not make a rule
      - toomuchtodo 3y ago
        If $96 billions in fines over two decades and thousands of companies doesn’t demonstrate a pattern, I don’t know what to tell you. Perhaps we’re haggling over the conspiracy ruler. Refer to your quote I quoted, and the data provided. There is clearly a broad effort to suppress wages, even if everyone involved isn’t getting together at a Skull and Bones convention to do it.
        phpisthebest 3y ago
        you provided 5 links, about one 1 incident involving 5 companies and a possible 64,000 employees in a nation of almost 200 million working people..
        deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
      - mattgrice 3y ago
- BlackEngineer 3y ago
  I mean; that sounds like a personal problem. If you take responsibility for your life and are honest with yourself about the value you bring to the table, then what you’re saying is moot.
  - deprecative 3y ago
    I often forget how techbro-libertarian this site can be. Carry on.
nonethewiser 3y ago
Thats from the candidates perspective. Its no less helpful than not publishing the range.
maxerickson 3y ago
The supposed issue there would be missed matches no? If the range really is quite wide, the employer probably isn't really trying very hard to hire at the top end and someone at that price can compare it to their options well enough before spending time on it.
lotsofpulp 3y ago
A bottom limit is always helpful, for all applicants. For those who expect more and do not want to waste time, they can look elsewhere. For prospective labor sellers, such as high school and college students or career changers, the bottom limit (and its trend) can help them project cash flow if they were to pursue that type of work. And it results in a more efficient allocation of labor for the country as a whole. For example, it could more quickly signal to people that we need fewer paper pushers and more trades workers.

noku 3y ago

Or 0k-infinity, which is the current state!

nonethewiser 3y ago
Sure, if that’s how the employer wants to do it. I wouldn’t say that’s the current state though.

BlackEngineer 3y ago

It’s not a real problem for people who’s skill set is commoditized. This is a real problem for high value employees. This all really feels like McDonalds employees forcing the rest of us to negotiate the way they have to.