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We have the same idiotic legislation in Germany, forbidding "confusing" language like calling oat milk "milk", because clearly only liquid squeezed from an utte

We have the same idiotic legislation in Germany, forbidding "confusing" language like calling oat milk "milk", because clearly only liquid squeezed from an utter constitutes milk (don't mind coconut milk..) and so producers have to call it oat drink, even though every single consumer just calls it oat milk anyway. Some other regulations exist for meat-like products, clearly put in place by protectionism of the dairy and meat industry under the guise of "not confusing consumers". Oh well.

qwertox 3y ago
I see no problem in "oat drink" vs. "oat milk". To me there's a difference in it, even if we have words like "Scheuermilch" (scouring milk) and milk also has a definition as "milky white opaque substances" which an oat drink is.
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- shawabawa3 3y ago
  you seem to be arguing backwards > I see no problem in "oat drink" vs "oat milk" Sounds like you think it's ok they forced the name change to "oat drink" > milk also has a definition as "milky white opaque substances" which an oat drink is Sounds like you think the name should have stayed as "oat milk"
  - qwertox 3y ago
    No, I'm being fair towards those who are in favor of "oat milk". But I have zero issues with it being forced to be named "oat drink" and I prefer it this way. In my case because they taste completely different. An oat drink requires added sugar for it to even be tasty to me.
treis 3y ago
Oat milk companies aren't trying to trick consumers. We drink Coconut milk and the box has two big coconuts in the middle. The only mention of milk is relatively small text towards the bottom of the box. The vegetarian sausage/patties and similar sorts of products do the reverse. They mimick meat products as closely as they can and relegate the vegetarian part to the small text. It's a basic truth in advertising/fraud thing. Obviously not a mind reader but sure looks like these companies are at some level trying to trick people into buying their product.
- qwertox 3y ago
  Yesterday I was confronted with a "Leverwurst", where "Leberwurst" (liverwurst) is the one with meat. Initially I thought it is an odd typo for an advertising effect until I realized which section I'm in.
- linuxftw 3y ago
  In stores around me, they put 'beyond meat' (meat's in the name for crying out loud) products right next to the actual meat.
  - phkahler 3y ago
    And in restaurants you better know what the brand means because there is no label or ingredient list on the menu.
- danielbln 3y ago
  Vegan products enjoy a healthy markup, and vegan stuff sells nicely. No producer is relegating the fact that their product is vegan to some fine print in the hopes to trick someone trying to buy animal meat. Has anyone ever mistaken vegan meat alternatives for the real deal?
  - phkahler 3y ago
    >> Has anyone ever mistaken vegan meat alternatives for the real deal? Yes. And the mistake can be fatal given some allergies.
    - danielbln 3y ago
      That is such a straw-man, c'mon. If you're that allergic, you better look at the ingredients list and don't just hope for the best when glancing at the label, especially in the US of A.
      - thomastjeffery 3y ago
phkahler 3y ago
You may have a point regarding milk, but not for the meat related words in the article like steak and ribs. I can accept that "burger" has probably been generalized already. The real issue is making the plant stuff look like the animal stuff and then naming it that way. That's just deceptive. In that regard most of the "milks" are fake. There is also an issue around food allergies, which can actually kill someone. Don't forget to tell people your nut-based milk isn't just dairy. It's sad that we now have to ask what's in everything because the words are starting to mean nothing.
- gaganyaan 3y ago
  I'm not sure why people think words are starting to change. "Almond milk" for example is a venerable term about 800 years old. I attribute this furor to a lack of English skills, but maybe there's a political angle as well, with people regurgitating the latest political rage.
JoeAltmaier 3y ago
Various nut and grain milks have been around since the 1200's, and always called 'milk'. It's strange that the objection is only made now, 800 years later.

qwertox 3y ago

I see no problem in "oat drink" vs. "oat milk". To me there's a difference in it, even if we have words like "Scheuermilch" (scouring milk) and milk also has a definition as "milky white opaque substances" which an oat drink is.

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shawabawa3 3y ago
you seem to be arguing backwards > I see no problem in "oat drink" vs "oat milk" Sounds like you think it's ok they forced the name change to "oat drink" > milk also has a definition as "milky white opaque substances" which an oat drink is Sounds like you think the name should have stayed as "oat milk"
- qwertox 3y ago
  No, I'm being fair towards those who are in favor of "oat milk". But I have zero issues with it being forced to be named "oat drink" and I prefer it this way. In my case because they taste completely different. An oat drink requires added sugar for it to even be tasty to me.

treis 3y ago

Oat milk companies aren't trying to trick consumers. We drink Coconut milk and the box has two big coconuts in the middle. The only mention of milk is relatively small text towards the bottom of the box. The vegetarian sausage/patties and similar sorts of products do the reverse. They mimick meat products as closely as they can and relegate the vegetarian part to the small text. It's a basic truth in advertising/fraud thing. Obviously not a mind reader but sure looks like these companies are at some level trying to trick people into buying their product.

qwertox 3y ago
Yesterday I was confronted with a "Leverwurst", where "Leberwurst" (liverwurst) is the one with meat. Initially I thought it is an odd typo for an advertising effect until I realized which section I'm in.
linuxftw 3y ago
In stores around me, they put 'beyond meat' (meat's in the name for crying out loud) products right next to the actual meat.
- phkahler 3y ago
  And in restaurants you better know what the brand means because there is no label or ingredient list on the menu.
danielbln 3y ago
Vegan products enjoy a healthy markup, and vegan stuff sells nicely. No producer is relegating the fact that their product is vegan to some fine print in the hopes to trick someone trying to buy animal meat. Has anyone ever mistaken vegan meat alternatives for the real deal?
- phkahler 3y ago
  >> Has anyone ever mistaken vegan meat alternatives for the real deal? Yes. And the mistake can be fatal given some allergies.
  - danielbln 3y ago
    That is such a straw-man, c'mon. If you're that allergic, you better look at the ingredients list and don't just hope for the best when glancing at the label, especially in the US of A.
    - thomastjeffery 3y ago

phkahler 3y ago

You may have a point regarding milk, but not for the meat related words in the article like steak and ribs. I can accept that "burger" has probably been generalized already. The real issue is making the plant stuff look like the animal stuff and then naming it that way. That's just deceptive. In that regard most of the "milks" are fake. There is also an issue around food allergies, which can actually kill someone. Don't forget to tell people your nut-based milk isn't just dairy. It's sad that we now have to ask what's in everything because the words are starting to mean nothing.

gaganyaan 3y ago
I'm not sure why people think words are starting to change. "Almond milk" for example is a venerable term about 800 years old. I attribute this furor to a lack of English skills, but maybe there's a political angle as well, with people regurgitating the latest political rage.

JoeAltmaier 3y ago

Various nut and grain milks have been around since the 1200's, and always called 'milk'. It's strange that the objection is only made now, 800 years later.