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Swedish cities hit by four residential explosions in an hour
- tomp 3y ago"residential explosions" sounds like it was gas leaks or some other accidents, but in fact it was "gang bombings" according to the text of the article
- tokai 3y agoNothing confirmed yet, but its usually hand grenades.
- imartin2k 3y agoAlso often home-built thermos bombs are being used. Those might actually be the more common form nowadays.
- pclmulqdq 3y agoWait, "usually"? This is a usual occurrence in Sweden?
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- hef19898 3y agoSince immigrants in Germany are not throwing grenades, it is an unnecessary generalozation. It is also an over simplification of the situation in Sweden. And premature, as nothing seems to be known for certain yet. And it is a tiny bit racist, ypur comment I mean.
- ipaddr 3y agoThere have been problems with rape and other crimes in Germany. Not sure it's working well either.
- tyingq 3y agoThere are some differences. Sweden, for various reasons, seems to cluster immigrants into fewer places with more of them all together. And the clustering creates service shortages for police, social services, jobs, etc. This makes for more kids that should be in school to not be in school, and also higher unemployment than there would be if they were more spread out. That heavy clustering also creates fewer opportunities to integrate with the locals, so the immigrant communities are more insular. All of that makes it easier for extremists to recruit, intimidate, organize, etc.
- horseRad 3y agoDo you have any references that Sweden clusters more immigrants to fewer places than anyone else? Housing doesn't just pop out of thin air. We have 3 cities with over 200k in population. Otherwise top 10 is 100k+. Just last year we took in 100k. Do you expect us to just pop up houses uniformly? One here, one there? Of course clusters build with the magnitudes we take in.
- tyingq 3y agoYour Prime Minister talked about it: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/sweden-s-prime-minister-calls-for-end-to-ethnic-enclaves/2668032 https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/sweden-s-prime-minister-call... But, that thing you're citing about a limited number of cities that could handle immigration is a good example of why it might be different for Sweden vs Germany.
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- codr7 3y agoMy brief experience of living in Germany says that they're doing a better job of integrating immigrants. In Sweden they're basically dumped in a suburb and ignored, until they start blowing things up that is.
- the_third_wave 3y ago> they're basically dumped in a suburb They are not "dumped in a suburb" by the authorities but actively choose to move there. This is made possible by a law - EBO or "eget boende" (own accommodations) - which gives asylum seekers and their relatives the right to choose their own domicile. The current government wants to abolish this law [1] since it makes it harder to integrate/assimilate people who end up living in ethnically segregated areas. [1] https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/regeringen-vill-avveckla-ebo-lagen-forsvarat-integrationen https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/regeringen-vill-avveckla-...
- codr7 3y agoIt's not like they have much of a choice, though. I'm pretty sure many would have preferred a nice house by the water. My point is that no one gives a shit about making them part of society.
- the_third_wave 3y ago> My point is that no one gives a shit about making them part of society. Those who want to become part of society are carried on hands and portrayed proudly in the media as examples of the success story of Swedish migration policies - unless they dare to criticise those same policies of course. The problem is that people are not encouraged to integrate or assimilate into Swedish culture as that goes against the multicultural ideals written into the Swedish 'constitution' (Sweden is actually governed under a collection of law instead of a single constitution but these serve the same purpose). Encouraging newcomers to... - learn Swedish as soon as possible... - try celebrating midsommar (the midsummer festival) and jul (Christmas) in some way to show they are interested in the customs and culture of the country which took them in instead of segregating themselves into their own cultural traditions.... - make eye contact with 'strangers' - the person at the cash register, the conductor on the train, etc - instead of looking away as is common for women in many middle eastern cultures, telling men from those same cultures than a woman who looks them in the eyes is not 'interested' in them but simply follows western-European customs where it is considered proper and polite to look others (of both sexes) in the eyes. - keep check on their children when they are out in the streets. Swedish children are raised by their parents, not by the neighbourhood. Sending your children out on the streets without supervision will and does lead to problems since Swedish adults will not tell of misbehaving children other than their own. - etc. ...is frowned upon since it goes against the aforementioned multicultural ideals.
- ArnoVW 3y agois there reason to believe it is an immigration-related attack? in the Netherlands we are seeing an uptick of grenade-attacks, and they are generally related to criminal organisations.
- krona 3y agoA distinction without a difference.
- ArnoVW 3y agoorganized crime is not restricted to immigrants. For example: Hell's Angels were famously declared an illegal organisation in the Netherlands. Not sure they have a lot of turkish or maroccan immigrants. Have a look at the wiki page on organized crime in the Netherlands, and check the family names of the most recent cases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organized_crime_in_the_Netherlands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organized_crime_in_the_Netherl...
- madspindel 3y agoYes, huge problem here. I don't even care anymore when I hear about it.
- ngc248 3y agoThere is a wiki page too --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swe...
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- semi-extrinsic 3y agoYes. Fascinatingly enough it's not been as bad in neghbouring countries, leading to the term "we don't want Swedish conditions over here". It probably is because Sweden has taken on much more immigrants, to the point where the percentage of Swedish residents born outside Sweden is 3x higher than in Norway and Denmark. This has probably overloaded the capacity of the social security system, and has lead to a greater extent of neighbourhoods where almost every older adult is a poor first-generation immigrant.
- the_third_wave 3y agoNo, it is not related to an overloading of the social security system in that way. Yes, the system is overloaded by having a large new contingent of non-contributing individuals partaking of the payouts but this has not led to a decrease in those payouts, far from it. A family with 5 children can get enough money from the state - in 2016 the amount was 32.800 kr according to a calculation published by Riksdagen (the Swedish parliament) which comes down to a lower middle class income - for a reasonably comfortable life without ever having to seek employment. The problem is cultural, not economical. The Swedish state has, following a decision pushed by Olof Palme on Sweden having to become 'a multicultural state like the United States of America where Swedish culture is no longer the single dominant one' followed a policy to not only allow but encourage migrants to not integrate or assimilate into Swedish culture but to keep and strengthen their own, paid for largely by the Swedish state through subsidies for ethnically segregated cultural organisations. This has led to the establishment of ethnically segregated areas in many of the larger cities with names like 'lilla Mogadishu' (little Mogadishu), 'lilla Kabul', 'lilla Bagdad' and more. It has led to objectively unexplainable situations where a regime-supporting Eritrean cultural festival is organised in Stockholm by "refugees" from the same regime which then attracts opponents to the regime from all over Europe who come there to make war on those same regime-supporting "refugees" [1]. It has led to parts of Göteborg - the second largest city in Sweden - being under the virtual control of the Ali Khan clan [2] with members erecting road blocks to keep out authorities, somewhat comparable to the way road blocks were erected in Portland OR but far more established than those temporary eruptions of anarchy. Sweden is now a cauldron bubbling with different factions - Afghans, Somalians, Moroccans, Iraqi, Syrians, Turks, Lebanese, Ugandans, Eritreans and more - striving for dominance in different types of organised crime. The multicultural 'experiment' has failed spectacularly and disastrously as was foreseen by many but which was not to be spoken of in fear of being labelled a 'racist' or 'nazi'. This labelling still continues and the denial still prevails but the subject has become more approachable due to the fact that the results of this failure are clearly and undeniably visible for anyone to see. What remains is to find a solution for the problems caused by the near half century of mismanagement and misdirection which keeps those aspects of Swedish culture and society which made it successful and worthy of emulation but does away with the ideologically driven mistakes. Given that the political party most (but certainly not solely) responsible for these failures - Socialdemokraterna or "the social democrats" - is and has for a long time being the largest and most dominant party combined with the fact that political parties in general and this party in particular are not known for admitting to past mistakes it remains to be seen whether and if so to what extent this will happen. [1] https://www.tv4.se/artikel/3qmMWIhaUax7HuAl2mQxOF/kaos-vid-jaervafaeltet-en-skadad-i-oroligheterna https://www.tv4.se/artikel/3qmMWIhaUax7HuAl2mQxOF/kaos-vid-j... an [2] https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khan-klanen https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khan-klanen
- marginalia_nu 3y agoIt's been happening a lot lately. Last decade or so we've began to have a real gang problem. It wasn't helped by the fact that hand grenades were classed as illegal fireworks up until like 2017, and fairly risk free to smuggle into the country.
- nonethewiser 3y agoBut its gotten worse since 2017 and wasn’t a problem until ~10 years ago. Clearly hand grenade laws are not the root cause.
- marginalia_nu 3y agoAt that point Sweden was already flush with hand grenades and various other arms. They were closing the barn doors after the horse had bolted.
- nonethewiser 3y agoAt what point? 2005 when it wasnt a problem?
- marginalia_nu 3y agoHand grenades are weapons of war with no civilian applications, and should never have been classified as anything else.
- nonethewiser 3y agoHand grenades are clearly not the primary cause since they were legal for a long time before this became a problem. Its also not clear that they account for more recent bombings. Whether or not you think they should be legal is completely beside that point of them being the primary cause, which you pivoted away from. Likely because its hard to support.
- lucasRW 3y agoSimple, import the 3rd world, become the 3rd world, what baffles me is that it really takes 10,20, 30 years of live experience for some people to start understanding (much too late) this very simple fact.
- mberning 3y agoEvery other word is a euphemism. 1984 was not supposed to be an instruction manual.
- krisoft 3y ago> Every other word is a euphemism. What do you want the news to say when it is not yet known who did it and what exactly exploded? Do you want them to lie? Or do you want them to push through the police cordon and do their own investigation faster and better than the police does?
- dathinab 3y agothe reason it uses that term is that "gang bombings" in international press paints a very different, AFIK incorrect, picture The thing is Sweden has problems with people blowing up stuff with bombs since years, BUT it's also since years that this acts in most cases _only target property_, e.g. a police booth, but not people. I.e. no injured people is more the norm then it is a lucky confidence. on the other hand unrelated people dying because of gang violence is kinda common in the many counties. So when youn read "gang bombings" it's much more likely to be associated with an act with the intention or willingness to kill people then an act with the intention to cause property damage
- tapland 3y agoImport of hand grenades was legal leading up to the series of explosions a few years ago. It has quieted down a lot since, until very recently.
- marginalia_nu 3y agoThis isn't the IRA. There are no warning calls to the police to get people to evacuate. These are the same people who gun down their targets on crowded streets in broad daylight. The fact that relatively few people have gotten killed is entirely due to luck and the relatively low yield of the explosions (usually hand-me-down hand grenades from the Balkans wars).
- dathinab 3y agoI never said they are not bad people. I said that it's misleading if put in the title in international because people only read the title and put it into context with their expectation. And in many counties the implicit reading would be "gang tires to kill people with bomb" which makes it look like Sweaden is falling apart both of which just isn't the case so I'm the title speaking about residental explosions and then in the body exploding properly what that means makes a lot of sense
- marginalia_nu 3y agoIt is a problem though. We shouldn't become desensitized to daily headlines of explosions and assassinations in broad daylight because only a few hundred people are killed each year. That shit will never be normal.
- doYouHaveAStudy 3y agoIt’s hard to know how to react because the article doesn’t give any historical rates of these residential explosions. Residential explosions could actually be down for all we know.
- christkv 3y agoMore than 100 so far this year in Sweden and over 100 last year.
- zmodem 3y agoFrom the article: > In 2022, there were 90 explosions and 101 cases of attempted bombings or preparations for bombings in Sweden, according to police data. As of 15 August this year, 109 explosions had been recorded.
- spants 3y agoit would be interesting to go back a few years to see how Sweden has changed. Has there been a huge increase in crimes in the last 10 years or so?.
- Pungsnigel 3y agoGun violence and these explosions have been going up quite a bit last few years at least. Anecdotal (Sweden here) people in my closest circle feel a lot less safe, and less comfortable in public spaces, compared to a few years ago. Not to a huge extent, but noticeable.
- lucasRW 3y agoWait, is that question serious or you are really prentending you don't know what "changed" in Sweden, or in another European countries, over the past 10 or 20 years :-) ?!
- mberning 3y ago4 in one hour happens all the time.
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- boesboes 3y agoWe have a similar explosives surge in the Netherlands, all gang related. It seems like blowing each others shit up is a bit of a trend in those circles. Could there be any particular reason why this has become more popular? Is gang violence up in general? New release of the anarchy cookbook perhaps haha?
- imartin2k 3y agoInteresting. A question: Can regular citizen protect their address in The Netherlands, or are addresses public and searchable online, as in Sweden? That's somewhat of a pet peeve I have with the Swedish situation. Due to the country's transparency principles (which I in general consider a good thing), everyone's registered address and other personal details are easily searchable online for everybody through numerous different services. Including who you live with, and lots of other information. So basically, to use US lingo, the government is doxxing everyone by default. There's no way to opt out of this, except if you are already subject to a documented threat (but then it's obviously already too late and you likely are forced to move), or if you belong to a small group of professions that might be considered particularly vulnerable. In consequence, you can easily and anonymously look up where your enemies, or their relatives, live. I don't see how this is not contributing to the problem. Potentially even being one of its major drivers. However, there's basically zero public or political debate about changing this part. In fact, most people in Sweden are completely oblivious to the idea that it could be different. That as a citizen you might want to have the right to choose whether your address is available to the public or not. Even though that choice is the norm in most countries, afaik. So I find that totally annoying. Making it harder to look up where someone lives, would likely, over time, reduce the number of attacks on buildings (which not only include bombs, but also shootings at buildings). There are probably tens of thousands of households across Sweden who experience an elevated risk of being exposed to bombings or shootings, as gang-related individuals (or their family members) are living in their buildings. So this is a real crisis, I would say.
- tenpies 3y agoBroadly speaking, violence has been up in Europe post-lockdowns. Something about having a lot of people with few ties to a community, having no economic prospects and strained welfare systems. Then add the EU's self-destructive path in order to "stick it to Putin". For Sweden in the particular, I believe they also have an idiot compassion problem in their judicial system beyond even most "progressive" justice systems. So for example, if you're under 15 you cannot go to juvenile jail in Sweden because it does not exist. End result, gangs were recruiting 15s and under. I'm not entirely sure if Sweden ever got around to changing that.
- WaitWaitWha 3y agoCan someone give some details or references on these gangs?
- nonethewiser 3y agoNo, that would be racist
- demosito666 3y agoWhat baffles me about this "gang-related" cases of violence is that it's presumably over drug money. And Sweden has rather low drug consumption level and is essentially cashless, so any transaction larger than shopping for groceries goes via a bank. And Swedish banks are very transparent and compliant and have very strict KYC/AML rules. I once had to explain to the bank why my friend transferred me an equivalent of $200 and every ATM deposit as well, even if it's $20. How the fuck are the drug money passed around in enough quantities to warrant "gang wars" here?
- HDThoreaun 3y agoHere in Chicago business is a secondary cause of murders. The biggest reason is honestly just fragile egos. If one of your opps posts something on social media about you or writes a song dissing you the street ethos many have bought into requires you to kill them. Honestly the biggest cause of violence is fragile egos.
- TMWNN 3y ago>If one of your opps posts something on social media about you or writes a song dissing you the street ethos many have bought into requires you to kill them. Relevant: TIL that Chicago street gangs today identify themselves by song. By listening to what drill music (a Chicago form of gansta rap) is playing, youths can tell which gang's territory they are in, or even when gangs are working together. <https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/5t7ig0/til_that_chicago_street_gangs_today_identify/ https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/5t7ig0/til_th...> To put another way, I've heard it said that drill rap may be the first music genre that becomes extinct because its practitioners kill each other off.
- closewith 3y agoI don't think I've ever heard the claim that Sweden of all countries had low drug use. Do you have a source for that claim? Anyway, the shadow economy always finds a way. Most probably there's just a cash-only sub-economy that you personally don't participate in.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoThe murder rate is still 4x higher in the US. Guns are far more effective than bombs. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Sweden/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Sweden/Uni...
- Gareth321 3y agoIt's not okay just because somewhere else is worse. Gun crime is decreasing across Europe, except Sweden. Something is structurally wrong. https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-peaceful-sweden-became-europes-gun-murder-capital-a5b500a7 https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-peaceful-sweden-became-euro...
- porkbeer 3y agoGuns also prevent about as many attacks as they are uzed in. Grenades are not typically used defensively.
- shrimp_emoji 3y agoNorth America is Borderlands Pandora compared to Northern Europe, so of course. :p
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- INTPenis 3y agoNot trying to belittle what happened but there have literally been weekly gang land hits in Sweden this whole year, so 4 explosions, or hits, in one day was a statistical inevitability. It has gotten very, very bad. It reminds me of some large American cities in the 80s and 90s, except spread out across the country, in comparatively smaller cities. Disclaimer, I'm a Swede born in the 80s. I've merely heard of what happened in the states through popular media, interviews with gang members and stuff like that. What we're seeing here now, resembles that very much. Isolated areas, people who live their whole short lives in a bubble of gangs, drawing down on sight. Fueds always start over money, or hurt pride, but they can keep going for however long the involved members are active. I remember the big biker wars of the 90s[1], with a total registered death toll of a dozen. Now that's a bad month in Sweden. However you approach this debate, it needs to happen. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Biker_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Biker_War