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> people who want to exterminate people This is the oddly standard wording used in defense of these newly-fashionable 'everything you've ever done ever can be

> people who want to exterminate people This is the oddly standard wording used in defense of these newly-fashionable 'everything you've ever done ever can be used against you' contributor codes of conduct and I have to find it very disingenuous. By and large nobody wants to exterminate anybody. People have legitimate differences of opinion and when they attempt to express them they're being told that even _thinking_ that opinion is tantamount to violence. If you can't see it as anything other than a transparent attempt to restrict discourse I don't know what to tell you. It isn't like this is the first time this strategy has been used.

ToucanLoucan 3y ago
> This is the oddly standard wording used in defense of these newly-fashionable 'everything you've ever done ever can be used against you' contributor codes of conduct and I have to find it very disingenuous. Please provide me an example of a code of conduct you find objectionable on these grounds. I have yet to see one that fits the language used both in this and the parent comment I originally replied to of being "orwellian."
- Dan_Sylveste 3y ago
  Let's address first your use of the phrase 'people who want to exterminate people.' Is that hyperbole or do you really believe it?
  - ToucanLoucan 3y ago
    Do people exist who want to exterminate other people? Yes absolutely. There is AMPLE, AMPLE horrific historic precedent for this.
    - Jiro 3y ago
      Then name some. (And I mean people relevant to the discussion, no fair saying Vladimir Putin.)
    - Dan_Sylveste 3y ago
      Okay, I see it's going to be that type of discussion. Thanks for your time.
  - deleted 3y ago
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- phpisthebest 3y ago
  Clearly you have not followed this topic closely, how about you look into the DruPal issues or "Dongle Gate" or the Firing the Firefox CEO, James Damore, or 100's of other examples of people being removed from projects for differences of opinions far far far far less than wanting to "exterminate" people
  - gorwell 3y ago
    It's projection. The people making that accusation are themselves all-but-literally exterminating individuals from society. They are engaging in dangerous levels of othering using a cloak of false kindness.
  - freejazz 3y ago
    And you believe that's the result of a concerted effort? As opposed to changing social norms?
    - phpisthebest 3y ago
      I believe it is result of a raise in Authoritarian ideology in both technology and in wider society, This streak of Authoritarianism is coming from both "political sides" The concepts of pluralism, tolerance, and peaceful coexistence with people whom we disagree is replaced with forced acceptance, mono-culturalism, speech controls and a rank intolerance of opposing views often supplanted with a rather obtuse perversion of the "paradox of tolerance" where by intolerant people of both political sides justify their actions actions as morally and ethically correct, as being on the "correct side of history" or other such platitudes
      - ToucanLoucan 3y ago
        The "paradox of tolerance" is much better stated as the "contract of tolerance." Anyone who agrees to be tolerant, is entitled in turn to tolerance themselves. This ensures that intolerable views, such as the view that certain lifestyles are inherently immoral based on one's beliefs, are not respected. Because they shouldn't be. If your personal moral compass has decided that women deserve fewer rights, that's perfectly fine for any woman who also subscribes to that belief system to accept their reduced stature in society. Why they would do that, I have no idea, but if they want to, good for them. However you are not entitled to inflict that intolerance on other people who don't share that belief. Ergo: if you treat everyone around you with the respect and recognition of their personhood, you in turn are 100% entitled to that same respect and recognition. If however you make statements or act in such a way as to diminish the personhood of others, you are no longer entitled to that respect. I think it's a nice little system and resolves the paradox quite nicely. To promote a tolerant society means being intolerant of intolerance.

ToucanLoucan 3y ago

> This is the oddly standard wording used in defense of these newly-fashionable 'everything you've ever done ever can be used against you' contributor codes of conduct and I have to find it very disingenuous. Please provide me an example of a code of conduct you find objectionable on these grounds. I have yet to see one that fits the language used both in this and the parent comment I originally replied to of being "orwellian."

Dan_Sylveste 3y ago
Let's address first your use of the phrase 'people who want to exterminate people.' Is that hyperbole or do you really believe it?
- ToucanLoucan 3y ago
  Do people exist who want to exterminate other people? Yes absolutely. There is AMPLE, AMPLE horrific historic precedent for this.
  - Jiro 3y ago
    Then name some. (And I mean people relevant to the discussion, no fair saying Vladimir Putin.)
  - Dan_Sylveste 3y ago
    Okay, I see it's going to be that type of discussion. Thanks for your time.
- deleted 3y ago
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phpisthebest 3y ago
Clearly you have not followed this topic closely, how about you look into the DruPal issues or "Dongle Gate" or the Firing the Firefox CEO, James Damore, or 100's of other examples of people being removed from projects for differences of opinions far far far far less than wanting to "exterminate" people
- gorwell 3y ago
  It's projection. The people making that accusation are themselves all-but-literally exterminating individuals from society. They are engaging in dangerous levels of othering using a cloak of false kindness.
- freejazz 3y ago
  And you believe that's the result of a concerted effort? As opposed to changing social norms?
  - phpisthebest 3y ago
    I believe it is result of a raise in Authoritarian ideology in both technology and in wider society, This streak of Authoritarianism is coming from both "political sides" The concepts of pluralism, tolerance, and peaceful coexistence with people whom we disagree is replaced with forced acceptance, mono-culturalism, speech controls and a rank intolerance of opposing views often supplanted with a rather obtuse perversion of the "paradox of tolerance" where by intolerant people of both political sides justify their actions actions as morally and ethically correct, as being on the "correct side of history" or other such platitudes
    - ToucanLoucan 3y ago
      The "paradox of tolerance" is much better stated as the "contract of tolerance." Anyone who agrees to be tolerant, is entitled in turn to tolerance themselves. This ensures that intolerable views, such as the view that certain lifestyles are inherently immoral based on one's beliefs, are not respected. Because they shouldn't be. If your personal moral compass has decided that women deserve fewer rights, that's perfectly fine for any woman who also subscribes to that belief system to accept their reduced stature in society. Why they would do that, I have no idea, but if they want to, good for them. However you are not entitled to inflict that intolerance on other people who don't share that belief. Ergo: if you treat everyone around you with the respect and recognition of their personhood, you in turn are 100% entitled to that same respect and recognition. If however you make statements or act in such a way as to diminish the personhood of others, you are no longer entitled to that respect. I think it's a nice little system and resolves the paradox quite nicely. To promote a tolerant society means being intolerant of intolerance.