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doubtful? Have you see the crime in SF? Walgreens has to have nearly everything locked up. You are right though. It's not just the crime. It's because the

doubtful? Have you see the crime in SF? Walgreens has to have nearly everything locked up. You are right though. It's not just the crime. It's because the current government isn't willing to prosecute criminals that are stealing from these businesses. SF is starting to resemble Detroit, which has nearly no grocery stores in the city limits because of rampant crime.

jeffbee 3y ago
Whole Foods just broke ground in the Western Addition, Lucky opened a new store in the Bayview, and a whole new local grocery chain called Luke's just sprang into existence in the last year.
- darth_avocado 3y ago
  Flagship Whole Foods on market just shut down because of safety reasons. https://abc7.com/amp/whole-foods-san-francisco-store-closing-worker-safety-concerns/13115702/ https://abc7.com/amp/whole-foods-san-francisco-store-closing...
  - ribosometronome 3y ago
    To the point argued by the OP in this comment thread, Flagship Whole Foods /claims/ they shut down because of safety reasons. It looks better for leadership if the reasons they have to shut down are outside of their control, rather than things they should have been reasonably able to predict and thus look bad on them, like that opening a high end grocery store in a largely office district during the middle of a pandemic when no one was there is going to the area lead to issues getting people there.
  - sundaeofshock 3y ago
    They opened a Whole Foods in a location that has been problematic for at least 50 years and then complain about all the crime in the area. Whatever…
    - pfisherman 3y ago
      This is the truth. Mid market has always been sketchy. Nobody lives or hangs out in downtown SF. Downtown is for the “bridge and tunnel” crowd. Like why would you ever put it here and not in one of the neighborhoods (ex Sunset, Richmond, Glen Park, Soma). That being said the 5th street area losing Nordstrom is a big blow. Things there have certainly gotten worse recently as it has started more and more resemble Market street on the other side of Seventh.
duskwuff 3y ago
> SF is starting to resemble Detroit Ways you can tell that someone has never been to either San Francisco nor Detroit: a case in point.
- johnny99k 3y ago
  heh. I lived in Detroit for 2 decades (I was born there) and still visit regularly. I also worked in SF for a long time as well. Reply-guys being reply-guys.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    I lived in Toledo for four years so visited Detroit often during that time, and I lived in the Bay Area for a few years as well. I just can’t see anyone saying SF is like Detroit without some huge distortions going on.
    - borkt 3y ago
      Where in the Bay Area do you currently live? We are talking about market street sf here, not sea cliff.
      - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        Lived, sorry, typo, for 2 years. I’m pretty familiar with market street. Heck, I worked right next to the Caltrain station for a year, that area isn’t the nicest.
        TMWNN 3y ago
        "Right next to the Caltrain station" on 4th and King is way, way nicer than the problem parts of Market Street. There is no comparison.
        seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        No it’s not. Many of the people complaining about people pooping on the street happens in the area between the Caltrain station and the convention center, not market. It’s not like we didn’t walk to market often enough for lunch. I’ve seen burned out neighborhoods in Detroit, places that look like war zones. SF just has a large number of homeless in comparison, most of whom get there via the greyhound bus station.
rcme 3y ago
A quick Google search seems to suggest there are plenty of grocery stores within San Francisco.
- johnny99k 3y ago
  I said starting to resemble. I referenced a Walgreens, so obviously they still have stores.
  - rcme 3y ago
    If SF was starting to resemble a place without grocery stores, I would expect few grocery stores. Instead I found hundreds.
    - johnny99k 3y ago
      Downtown Detroit had large department stores too. They all closed. This was the beginning of the spiral downward. If things continue, SF will look like Detroit in 10 years.
Trias11 3y ago
Elections are coming soon. Can't prosecute the voters if you want to be reelected.

jeffbee 3y ago

Whole Foods just broke ground in the Western Addition, Lucky opened a new store in the Bayview, and a whole new local grocery chain called Luke's just sprang into existence in the last year.

darth_avocado 3y ago
Flagship Whole Foods on market just shut down because of safety reasons. https://abc7.com/amp/whole-foods-san-francisco-store-closing-worker-safety-concerns/13115702/ https://abc7.com/amp/whole-foods-san-francisco-store-closing...
- ribosometronome 3y ago
  To the point argued by the OP in this comment thread, Flagship Whole Foods /claims/ they shut down because of safety reasons. It looks better for leadership if the reasons they have to shut down are outside of their control, rather than things they should have been reasonably able to predict and thus look bad on them, like that opening a high end grocery store in a largely office district during the middle of a pandemic when no one was there is going to the area lead to issues getting people there.
- sundaeofshock 3y ago
  They opened a Whole Foods in a location that has been problematic for at least 50 years and then complain about all the crime in the area. Whatever…
  - pfisherman 3y ago
    This is the truth. Mid market has always been sketchy. Nobody lives or hangs out in downtown SF. Downtown is for the “bridge and tunnel” crowd. Like why would you ever put it here and not in one of the neighborhoods (ex Sunset, Richmond, Glen Park, Soma). That being said the 5th street area losing Nordstrom is a big blow. Things there have certainly gotten worse recently as it has started more and more resemble Market street on the other side of Seventh.

duskwuff 3y ago

> SF is starting to resemble Detroit Ways you can tell that someone has never been to either San Francisco nor Detroit: a case in point.

johnny99k 3y ago
heh. I lived in Detroit for 2 decades (I was born there) and still visit regularly. I also worked in SF for a long time as well. Reply-guys being reply-guys.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  I lived in Toledo for four years so visited Detroit often during that time, and I lived in the Bay Area for a few years as well. I just can’t see anyone saying SF is like Detroit without some huge distortions going on.
  - borkt 3y ago
    Where in the Bay Area do you currently live? We are talking about market street sf here, not sea cliff.
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      Lived, sorry, typo, for 2 years. I’m pretty familiar with market street. Heck, I worked right next to the Caltrain station for a year, that area isn’t the nicest.
      - TMWNN 3y ago
        "Right next to the Caltrain station" on 4th and King is way, way nicer than the problem parts of Market Street. There is no comparison.
        seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        No it’s not. Many of the people complaining about people pooping on the street happens in the area between the Caltrain station and the convention center, not market. It’s not like we didn’t walk to market often enough for lunch. I’ve seen burned out neighborhoods in Detroit, places that look like war zones. SF just has a large number of homeless in comparison, most of whom get there via the greyhound bus station.

rcme 3y ago

A quick Google search seems to suggest there are plenty of grocery stores within San Francisco.

johnny99k 3y ago
I said starting to resemble. I referenced a Walgreens, so obviously they still have stores.
- rcme 3y ago
  If SF was starting to resemble a place without grocery stores, I would expect few grocery stores. Instead I found hundreds.
  - johnny99k 3y ago
    Downtown Detroit had large department stores too. They all closed. This was the beginning of the spiral downward. If things continue, SF will look like Detroit in 10 years.

Trias11 3y ago

Elections are coming soon. Can't prosecute the voters if you want to be reelected.