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> For all enterprise customers, it offers: > Customer prompts and company data are not used for training OpenAI models. > Unlimited access to advanced d
by ftxbro 3y ago
> For all enterprise customers, it offers:
> Customer prompts and company data are not used for training OpenAI models.
> Unlimited access to advanced data analysis (formerly known as Code Interpreter)
> 32k token context windows for 4x longer inputs, files, or follow-ups
I'd thought all those had been available for non enterprise customers, but maybe I was wrong, or maybe something changed.
- saliagato 3y agoeverything but 32k version and 2x speed is the same as the consumer platform
- swores 3y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37298864 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37298864 Having conversations saved to go back to like in the default setting on Pro, that's disabled when a Pro user turns on the privacy setting, is another big difference.
- clbrmbr 3y agoWould be great to be able to search them.
- jwpapi 3y ago32k is available via API
- ladzoppelin 3y agoFor everyone?
- calebj0seph 3y agoNope, I don't know anyone who has access to the 32k model. The best that's widely available is GPT 3.5 16k.
- _boffin_ 3y agoWhat about prompt input and response output retention for x days for abuse monitoring? does it not do that for enterprise? For Microsoft Azure's OpenAI service, you have to get a waiver to ensure that nothing is retained.
- brabel 3y agoI think the real feature is this: " We do not train on your business data or conversations, and our models don’t learn from your usage. ChatGPT Enterprise is also SOC 2 compliant and all conversations are encrypted in transit and at rest. "
- ftxbro 3y agoWhich part of that is new, because I was pretty sure they were saying "we do not train on your business data or conversations, and our models don’t learn from your usage" already. Maybe the SOC 2 and encryption is new?
- vidarh 3y agoThey don't train on data when you either use the API or disable chat history, which is inconvenient.
- justanotheratom 3y agoyes, this is terrible. I want chat history, but I don't want them to use my data. Can't have both, even though I am paying $20/month!
- eagleinparadise 3y agoBest way of doing this I have found is using separate browser profiles. So i have one primary profile logged in normally and a separate tab which i turn off chat history. So now I get best of both worlds
- Dylan16807 3y agoI don't see how that's the best of both worlds. They want chat history and no training on the same conversation.
- albert_e 3y agoyou can have different profiles on a single ChatGPT plus subscription?
- cowthulhu 3y agoI believe the API (chat completions) has been private for a while now. ChatGPT (the chat application run by OpenAI on their chat models) has continued to be used for training… I believe this is why it’s such a bargain for consumers. This announcement allows businesses to let employees use ChatGPT with fewer data privacy concerns.
- whimsicalism 3y agoYou can turn off history & training on your data
- thomassmith65 3y agoNote that turning 'privacy' on is buried in the UI; turning it off again requires just a single click. Such dark patterns, plus their involvement in crypto, their shoddy treatment of paying users, their security incidents... make it harder for me to feel good about OpenAI spearheading the introduction of (real) AI into the world today.
- astrange 3y agoThey're not involved in crypto, just the CEO is.
- thomassmith65 3y agoThat's an important correction. Thanks, I got a bit carried away with the comment. There's enough hearsay on the internet, and I don't want to contribute. While we're at it, another exaggeration I made is "security incidents"; in fact, I am only aware of one.
- whimsicalism 3y ago> Such dark patterns, plus their involvement in crypto, their shoddy treatment of paying users, their security incidents... make it harder for me to feel good about OpenAI spearheading the introduction of (real) AI into the world today. Interesting. My opinion is it is a great product that works well for me, I don't find my treatment as a paying user shoddy, and their security incident gives me pause.
- BoorishBears 3y agoIt is pretty much is if you use OpenAI via Azure, or you're large enough and talk to their sales (the 2x faster is dedicated capacity I'm guessing)
- SantalBlush 3y ago> Customer prompts and company data are not used for training OpenAI models. This is borderline extortion, and it's hilarious to witness as someone who doesn't have a dog in this fight.
- swores 3y agoNot really, they want some users to give them conversation history for training purposes and offer cheaper access to people willing to provide that.
- kuchenbecker 3y agoExactly, there is an opportunity cost to NOT training on this data.
- SantalBlush 3y agoThis assumes the portion of the enterprise fee related to this feature is only large enough to cover the cost of losing potential training data, which is an absurd assumption that can't be proven and has no basis in economic theory. Companies are trying to maximize profit; they are not trying to minimize costs so they can continue to do you favors. These arguments creep up frequently on HN: "This company is doing X to their customers to offset their costs." No, they are a company, and they are trying to make money.
- swores 3y agoThe fact that companies want to maximise profits doesn't prove the point you think it does. Nobody is arguing that there's an exact matching of value to the company between 1 user giving OpenAI permission to use their chat history for future training and 1 user paying $20/month. But based on your simplistic view, no company would ever offer a free tier because it's not directly maximising revenue. It's very obvious that getting lots of real-world examples of users using ChatGPT is beneficial for multiple reasons - from using in future training runs (or fine tuning), to analysing what users what to use LLMs for, to analysing what areas ChatGPT is currently performing well or badly in, etc. So it's not about blankly and entirely "offsetting costs", it's about the fact that both money into their bank account and this sort of data into their databases are both beneficial to the long-term profitability of the company even though only one of them is direct and instant revenue. Before ChatGPT was released for the world to use, OpenAI were even paying people (both employees and not) to have lots of conversations with it for them to analyse. The exact same logic that justified that justifies allowing some users to pay some or all of the fee for the service in data permissions rather than money. I'm speaking from experience making these sorts of business decisions, and to a company like OpenAI this is just basic common sense.
- nsxwolf 3y agoI'm going to see if the word "Enterprise" convinces my organization to allow us to use ChatGPT with our actual codebase, which is currently against our rules.
- SanderNL 3y agoNo copilot too?
- flemhans 3y agoI can't believe any organization (except open source projects) allows the use of co-pilot
- SanderNL 3y agoMe too, but then I see everyone hosting their code on github and I’m not quite sure what the substantial difference is.
- sebzim4500 3y agoLoads of them do. If you are already using Github enterprise it doesn't change meaningfully change anything from a security perspective.
- hammock 3y ago>Customer prompts and company data are not used for training OpenAI models. That's great. But can customer prompts and company data be resold to data brokers?
- bg24 3y agoI think you missed this part: ChatGPT Enterprise is also SOC 2 compliant and all conversations are encrypted in transit and at rest. Our new admin console lets you manage team members easily and offers domain verification, SSO, and usage insights, allowing for large-scale deployment into enterprise. I think this will have a solid product-market-fit. The product (ChatGPT) was ready but not enterprise. Now it is. They will get a lot of sales leads.
- ttul 3y agoJust the SOC2 bit will generate revenue… If your organization is SOC2 compliant, using other services that are also compliant is a whole lot easier than risking having your SOC2 auditor spend hours digging into their terms and policies.
- _jab 3y ago“all conversations are encrypted … at rest” - why do conversations even need to _exist_ at rest? Seems sus to me
- flangola7 3y agoChat history is helpful.
- bartimus 3y agoLast I checked: - GPT-4 (ChatGPT Plus): has max 4K tokens ? - GPT-4 API: has max 8K tokens (for most users atm) - GPT-3.5 API: has max 16K tokens I'd consider the 32K GPT-4 context the most valuable feature. In my opinion OpenAI shouldn't discriminate in favor of large enterprises. It should be equaly available to normal (paying) customers.
- raylad 3y agoIf you pick ChatGPT with GPT-4 and select the Plugins version I believe the context window is 8K.
- bartimus 3y agoThanks. I'm currently using the API models (even GPT 3.5 16K) for things that require a larger context. So much for "Priority access to new features and improvements" as advertised with Plus.