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Apple supports right-to-repair bill
- PaulHoule 3y ago[flagged]
- habitue 3y agoWhatever framing gets us the right to repair, let's do it
- slashdev 3y agoYet it’s my MacBook with the stupid Touch Bar that died while my “cheap crap” Alienware (Dell) laptop is going strong. It also cost half as much and has more than twice the compute.
- daguava 3y agoApple puts a 50 volt screen backlight pin on a ribbon cable next to the pin that goes straight to the processor - moist day? Short time, unhappy mac-book. Their products are built to look nice, not last.
- wwnb 3y agolol i am typing this on a 2011 macbook that i've used as my primary computer continuously for the last 12 years
- doctorwho42 3y agoAnd I have had Lenovo thinkpads last a decade as well... You are just plucking a single data point and saying it speaks to the entire line of products this company makes.
- theGeatZhopa 3y agoMy HP mobile workstation 2010 is still superb. Although, the screen is going darker. The ruber frame around the screen is becoming more and more porous porous, the rubber mouse keys are also porous. But, it runs, it runs, it runs . Need to vacuum the fans.. haven't done that in years:)
- gregor384 3y ago[flagged]
- housemusicfan 3y agoCan you point me to Apple's business or rugged laptop line?
- codetrotter 3y ago> Apple's business laptop Apple MacBook Pro M2 Max
- postalrat 3y agoYour idea of a rugged laptop must be one that never leaves the desk
- Spooky23 3y agoHe didn’t say it was rugged, he said “business”. That said, MacBooks are not milspec, nor do they claim to be. Dell/HP/Lenovo make devices that support thermal variance and shock (Lenovo T series for example), and several companies make ruggedized devices for outdoor use. The differences aren’t what you think. Police use cases primarily need shock resistance, wide environment operating range, screens readable in sunlight, and the ability to turn off all lights. If you don’t need that, that isn’t always a good thing. For example, you can operate a Samsung rugged phone from 0-120 F —- much wider range than an iPhone. But… that battery will be toast if it runs hot or cold a lot.
- talldatethrow 3y agoI once put rubbing alcohol on a cloth to clean an apple laptop keyboard. The laptop is in my closet now. I dropped my low grade Costco dell laptop from chest height. It cracked the cover on the screen and has a piece of plastic missing, exposing wires. It is still 100% functional for two years since.
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- housemusicfan 3y agoI once had a single drop of water, condensation on the outside of a glass - think the drop of sweat scene in Mission Impossible with Tom Cruise, fall into the gap between the trackpad and the palm rest on a MacBook Pro. Instantly fried the trackpad, which never worked again until I had it replaced.
- talldatethrow 3y agoLol. Sorry for your loss, but just lol. The performance difference I see from the OS on my friends computers really makes me want to get an Apple computer. Hearing these horror stories always scares me straight.
- pmontra 3y agoWhat is a performance difference at OS level?
- talldatethrow 3y agoMy decently specd windows laptop, without any insane applications installed beyond work related.. chugs along for the first 1-2 minutes on startup even once technically booted into Windows. Opening chrome takes like 10 seconds for the first site to load after double clicking. A poorly written svg animation or something of that type on a web page will bring scrolling to a grind. Clicking a stupid link that opens a modal in HubSpot makes the modal open slowly at 4 fps. Facebook marketplace messages bring it to it's knees. This itself has to be a Facebook bug of some kind but w.t.f. Little examples like that. The cpu is fine, enough memory, solid state drive, all that. Something is just off. It's honestly just crippled by windows I think.
- ClassyJacket 3y ago"Built to last" The M key on my 2019 MacBook Pro doesn't work, Apple told me it would cost 2300$ to fix it. One key. For reference I could buy two more working MacBook Pros, identical to the one I have, for 2300$.
- dilawar 3y ago> Apple told me it would cost 2300$ to fix it They are probably going to keep the laptop in ICU for a few days post key replacement.
- nottorp 3y agoThey're probably swapping out everything. Because someone has a thinness fetish at Apple and ruined 3-4 generations of laptops with that keyboard.
- wilg 3y agoY'all in the replies here need to stop flaming each other with anecdata. I'm sure there's better data than this, but this is what I found with a brief Google: https://www.geckoandfly.com/6311/the-most-reliable-laptop-survey-best-netbook-reliability-comparison/ https://www.geckoandfly.com/6311/the-most-reliable-laptop-su...
- rf15 3y agoControversial take: The laptop formfactor is somehow a worse compromise vs desktop/phones in terms of manufacturer care and quality.
- CreepGin 3y agoJust throwing my anecdotes here as well. My 3 Apple products: 1) Macbook Pro 2015: Still going strong to this day. To my suprise, the battery can still last ~30 mins after a full charge. 2) IPhone 6: Camera died for no reason after 1 year. 3) Macbook Air M1: Screen cracked for no reason after 2 years. Machine cannot boot up because of it. Quoted repair cost was $470. I'm probably gonna shelf it. What's weird is that I know a couple other people that had similar experience as well (spontaneous screen crack with the MBA M1).
- theshrike79 3y agoMy Apple products: 1) iPhone 3GS, screen backlight stopped working after 3 years. One component change fixed it 2) iPhone 4S, zero issues 3) iPhone 5S, zero issues 4) iPhone 6S, battery didn't like the cold after 2 years, swapped a new one for 50€, my friend's kid still uses it 5) ... etc up until the current one. No issues Along with multiple Apple laptops, I'm still daily driving a 2015 MBP for my mobile needs. I did get a free battery and topcase replacement due to a recall around 2020-ish. Multiple M1 and M2 work laptops, zero issues. The best part is that I could resell every Apple product I've bought for a decent amount of money because people know the software is still getting updates for years and the hardware is solid. The chicklet keyboards were trash though. Touchbar would've been nicer if it didn't replace the F-keys.
- jhaenchen 3y agoI feel like the bit about not disabling security features will provide some crucial limitation to apple's advantage. They have a habit of bleeding security into hardware components. I guess they're maybe opening up to authorized repair places and just that.
- beckingz 3y agoApple thinks they'll make more money this way. Good for them. Long term, I hope this increases competition for quality hardware
- hayleox 3y agoDoesn't really seem like they came around to some great moral realization. I think they just saw the writing on the wall and decided to put on a friendly face to try and get a few favorable provisions thrown in.
- mcfedr 3y agoClearly this! Surely the key part of the article, it's already happening, so you might as well grab some good press and it's worked. It's better headlines for apple than them losing after years of fighting it, and getting plenty of compromises
- luxuryballs 3y agoThey realized they can now sell us apple branded custom hardware tools? And maybe that if you just fuse everything together onto the mainboard and just keep the primary core swappable/pricy, then to facilitate the new policy design you have an opportunity to morph your terms of service to reduce your own support costs and perhaps even reduced RMA liability.
- ChrisArchitect 3y ago[dupe]
- ChrisArchitect 3y agomore discussion and stories: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37252891 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37252891 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37244166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37244166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37241555 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37241555
- Pingk 3y agoTwo parts of their statement stand out to me. First is "to enable the repairs performed by authorised repair channels", which indicates they don't really want to make parts available to the average joe, and likely also hampers independent repair shops who don't want to participate in (pay for) a manufacturer programme. Second is "repair providers disclose the use on non-genuine or used parts" which indicates they may try to continue the serialisation of parts to force the repairer to buy replacement new parts, rather than being able to swap in known-working used or non-oem bits. Taken together, it sounds like they want you to buy new replacement parts only from them, to only repair the bits they allow you to repair, as long as you sign an authorised repair contract with them. Which doesn't seem that different to their existing authorised repair programme? Overall I think there is some progress, but I don't think Apple is switching to be pro-RtR yet. Maybe I'm just skeptical based on their past actions, but I hope I'm wrong.
- nomel 3y ago> repair providers disclose the use on non-genuine or used parts This has my complete support. I’ve had a phone repaired with a knock off display/touch module. It stopped working with an OTA update. Buying used phones is a total gamble, as is.
- mouse_ 3y agoThe manufacturer remotely bricked your -working- device because you broke their terms and conditions by performing a repair. You should not support this sort of disgusting behavior.
- Gigachad 3y agoNo evidence that’s the case. Very realistic that the new update was trying to do something that’s in spec for the genuine screen but the clone hadn’t copied properly.
- duskwuff 3y agoI think I know what was going on here. I can't find a source (too many false hits on tech news sites), but a batch of counterfeit displays for one model of iPhone used a touchscreen controller from a much older model. When a new version of iOS was released which no longer supported that older model, Apple removed the drivers for its touchscreen controller from the OS, under the assumption that they were no longer necessary. This had the unexpected effect of making those displays stop working. This wasn't intentional -- it was an inadvertent result of routine code cleanup -- and Apple added the driver back in a later OS update to restore functionality, and added messaging to indicate to users if their display wasn't a genuine Apple part.
- the100rabh 3y ago[dead]
- dataflow 3y agoDon't fall for it. Apple's modus operandi with respect to R2R has always been malicious compliance. It's happened multiple times before just like now. They are trying to retain control as much as possible in a world where repairability becomes mandatory, not make repairs easier.
- cherioo 3y agoApple would probably be fine with a world where consumer can replace broken display at home, as long as it costs $300, because reasons. Oh and a usb connector requires replacing the entire board, for $400. Maybe just buy a new one for $1000 instead?
- lwkl 3y agoA display probably costs Apple about $100 when they buy it. Now you have to keep it in a warehouse in sufficient quantities and send it to a customer or repair shop when they need it. Add taxes to this and suddenly you are awfully close to that $300. New devices are just too cheap, because it's much more efficient to build a new device. Labour and logistics are much cheaper when manufacturing millions of the same device. I believe the cost for repairing electronic devices in the next 5 - 10 years should partially be paid upfront. Making new devices slightly more expensive for everyone and making the repairs considerably cheaper for those who need them.
- jokteur 3y agoI recently broke the screen of my fairphone. I went to the official website, ordered a genuine screen for 70$, it came by mail two days later. They sent me an email showing how to do the repair, it took me about 10 minutes to replace it with only a screwdriver. Note: the phone is water resistant. My point is, repairable phones are totally feasible, if fairphone can deliver this service, why couldn't Apple ? (I know, because of profits). This fairphone may not be as sexy as an iPhone Pro, but it is still a very capable device. With the amount of R&D cash that Apple has, they could make a sexy repairable high end phone, but it is not in their interest.
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- borgchick 3y agoIt's one thing to "support" it, it's another to make components actually available to make repairs. I remember some people testing out a direct screen swap between two identical iphones, only to find out they didn't work after the swap. So even if you can get a replacement component, do you have the management software to update the eeprom to say "hey, the screen with this serial is good to go".
- Someone 3y ago> it's another to make components actually available to make repairs. Everybody [1] can buy parts at https://selfservicerepair.com https://selfservicerepair.com and download manuals > only to find out they didn't work after the swap. AFAIK, Apple ¿currently? doesn’t support cannibalizing systems (because they’re greedy or to prevent stealing of phones for parts. Your pick) > So even if you can get a replacement component, do you have the management software to update the eeprom Their manuals tell you how to do that. [1] in Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Spain, Sweden, the UK or the USA and, by extension, in the entire EU (https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/selling-in-eu/selling-goods-services/selling-products-eu/index_en.htm https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/selling-in-eu/selling-...). I don’t know whether Apple honors the latter, though.
- pzo 3y agoif you go to https://selfservicerepair.com https://selfservicerepair.com you will find you can only get parts for iphone 12 or later. There is no parts for e.g. iphone 11, iphone XR, iphone XS. For 'iPhone 12 mini TrueDepth Camera Bundle' you have to pay $280 in EU countries + shipping I guess. If your iphone 12 mini breaks in ~2 years from now probably will be cheaper to buy just working second hand iphone 12 mini.
- paulmd 3y ago> If your iphone 12 mini breaks in ~2 years from now probably will be cheaper to buy just working second hand iphone 12 mini. yes, this is a general problem with all repair. n=1 repairs are very expensive in terms of labor and logistics. making a million pixel phones in a factory is cheap, mailing someone a camera board and having a technician disassemble the phone and solder a part and re-seal the phone for waterproofing is very time-consuming. if repairs are only financially viable by using knockoff parts with inferior quality, that's a problem, that's a market failure. easy answer is tax new devices heavily so that repairing a device is relatively more attractive. but I think people won't like the idea of 50-100% tax on new devices. there's always a price for your morals - nobody is buying a new phone at $100k tax per phone, and would not support such legislation. now we are just haggling over the price.
- miki123211 3y ago> The big exceptions are video game consoles and alarm systems. This part is the most interesting to me. Alarm systems I understand, though this looks like security by obscurity, but video game consoles? Are legislators willing to go that far to protect Sony's DRM?
- rf15 3y agoxbox still exists despite everything, and Nintendo is an even bigger player in the space than Sony. So I guess legislators ARE willing to go that far to protect Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft's DRM. The interesting bit here is that only Microsoft is an american company, so it is possible they got the biggest leverage here.
- Dah00n 3y agoNintendo is not a bigger player. You can't just say X > Y hence Z. Quick Google search tells me that.. >PlayStation made $11.3 billion more than Xbox, and $14.7 billion more than Nintendo. Xbox made $3.4 billion more than Nintendo. Nintendo is the smallest. The biggest earner is the PlayStation 5 today and the PlayStation 2 overall.
- rf15 3y agoThose numbers don't seem right, looking at Wikipedia[0]. I'm sure console pricing can skew that a bit, but xbox is basically dead outside the US in terms of marketshare. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles_by_region https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_co...
- theshrike79 3y agoDunno what kind of extra power consoles have but laws don't seem to apply to them the same way. People are screaming to let them install 3rd party software for Apple devices. But why doesn't anyone want the same for the Xbox, Playstation and Switch? They are arguably even more "general computing devices" than an iPhone for example. If Apple is forced to allow 3rd party app stores, why can't I get the same for my Playstation? Why is it different?
- sQL_inject 3y agoWith anyone unfamiliar with hardware trends, they've been biding their time. The latest generation of hardware is now designed and optimized for repair and they're at the point where they've been preparing for a long, long time. The next few launches of Apple hardware will be light-years ahead of competition in design and engineering to make the repair experience delightful. If you want to see hints at it, the latest Apple Watch Ultra has four screws -- a sign of things to come. Further, their industrial design has moved to a flat, extruded shape with mid frame designs, perfect for accessing batteries and screen components.
- theshrike79 3y agoYep, this was my guess too. Apple was dragging their feet because their stuff wasn't repairable. They made it repairable in steps and most likely the generation starting from next month will be repairable enough to match what the California bill and EU laws require. ...and I'm pretty sure Apple knows some of their competition isn't ready yet so they're trying to catch them off guard by pushing for the law to pass now.
- rgreekguy 3y agoI remember that, at least the Apple Silicon Macs are repairable. With the "small" detail that the repair guide for the Pros is ~600 pages long, because you need to replace the whole board+bottom assembly for most things. You need to take the whole thing apart, and then put it back together. The Airs are saner, surprisingly.
- emsign 3y agoApple is leveling the playing field and this moves makes perfect sense for Apple and everyone else. Apple management (probably like the rest of the industry) under the assumption that the company that's selling repair friendly products will inevitably lose revenue and market share, is less competitive than the rest. So it's a game of "first one who moves, dies first". If a company wanted to change the market, the only viable option is to go through legislation, because the internal company goals that might actually be repair friendly is then forced on all the competition as well. Leveling the playing field.
- eemil 3y agoThis is my interpretation as well. The market/legislature largely determines what types of products a company can afford to make. Even a private company, that doesn't have to maximize shareholder value, still has to compete with publicly traded companies and those with looser morals. You can't go against the flow, you can only try to change it.
- lazycouchpotato 3y agoThe cynic in me can't see this in any way other than some kind of malicious compliance from Apple - the monkey's paw clutching in the background. It's been 20 years since Casey Neistat's "iPod's Dirty Secret" [1]. If they've fought against RtR for so long, surely they won't give up so easily? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuTcavAzopg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuTcavAzopg
- chaostheory 3y agoGiven that the RAM and hard drive are both still soldered, at best this is just compliance. Only the most fervent cult members would see it as support.
- Qwertious 3y ago"RAM and hard drive" - those two are not the same. RAM being soldered has legitimate arguments - it reduces latency and power use, as well as costs, and RAM isn't a wear part. I'm not endorsing it, but RAM can be justified by argument. In contrast, hard drives don't gain any real latency advantage, and will die before most of the rest of the computer. Soldering in hard-drives is just insane.
- dotnet00 3y ago99% chance it'll be the usual scummy big tech tactic of claiming to support potential regulation that is gaining enough momentum to possibly actually affect them so they can hijack the movement to push a watered down more convenient version framing the original movement as being full of extremists. And as usual because there's an Apple on it, most of this place will eat it up even though it hasn't been that long since OpenAI blatantly tried the same thing regarding AI regulation.
- pmarreck 3y agoMaybe now they can open-source their OS too and run a service instead of a proprietary codebase
- lwhsiao 3y agoIf you haven't seen it, Louis Rossmann has a nice video discussing this [1]. [1]: https://youtu.be/0tB3t7xGWjk https://youtu.be/0tB3t7xGWjk
- ColoursofOSINT 3y agoYeah, as much as I hate how cynical he is, he is usually right.
- ColoursofOSINT 3y agoI posted this before, but...they have played this game before; creating RTR "friendly" programs and then forcing signing of strict NDAs, and requirements that leave repair shops worse then they would without the program. [1-4] 1: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/may/18/we-are-losing-money-companies-in-apples-repair-program-say-they-cant-compete-with-tech-giant https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/may/18/we-are-lo... 2: https://www.howtogeek.com/894168/apples-self-repair-program-is-even-worse-now/ https://www.howtogeek.com/894168/apples-self-repair-program-... 3: https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjdjnv/apples-independent-repair-program-is-invasive-to-shops-and-their-customers-contract-shows https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjdjnv/apples-independent-re... 4: https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/28/apple_selfservice_slammed/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/28/apple_selfservice_sla...
- qalmakka 3y ago> Apple supports If Apple supports something, it 99% of the time means they already have a way to exploit for it. They've been doing it for decades sadly, if Apple endorses regulation it almost always implies their bottom line won't be impacted from it.
- freetime2 3y agoIt seems like Apple might have an advantage here over other manufacturers since they have a relatively limited product lineup and sell in such massive volumes. For example, the per-unit cost of compliance for their handful of iPhone models they release every year could be less than for Samsung and their 50+ phone models they release every year [1]. Budget online sellers like "ZICOROOP" (chosen at random from Amazon [2]) might be unable to support the requirements altogether, and be forced not to sell in California. I could also see Apple customers being more willing to pay a premium for geniune Apple parts than budget smartphone and PC users, which could be a new source of revenue. Apple has also shifted more toward selling services in recent years, and seems content to let people continue to use their old hardware longer if it means they subscribe to iCloud Storage, Apple Music, Apple TV+, etc. Finally, whether you believe them or not, Apple makes a fairly big show of caring about the environment [3]. They devote a fair amount of time in all their major product announcements to talking about environmental impact. And supporting this bill is on brand for them. [1] https://thelec.net/news/articleView.html?idxno=3574 https://thelec.net/news/articleView.html?idxno=3574 [2] https://www.amazon.com/ZICOROOP-Bluetooth-Speakers-Waterproof-Long-Lasting/dp/B0C4KYXYBC/ https://www.amazon.com/ZICOROOP-Bluetooth-Speakers-Waterproo... [3] https://www.apple.com/environment/ https://www.apple.com/environment/
- shmerl 3y agoApple never supports anything that benefits the user rather than them. So something must be off about it.
- chacham15 3y ago> Chamberlain explained that parts pairing is used by Apple to confirm whether parts were purchased through their authorized network and have a record of repairs, while console makers may use it to "assume that a disk drive is original and trustworthy." > "To eliminate parts pairing entirely, they need to find new technical ways of meeting these goals without limiting repair," she told Ars. "Until then, our best compromise is in SB 244: If manufacturers use parts pairing, they need to make their pairing software tool available to the public." This section seems a little vague...does this mean that Apple will still be able to block you from swapping in a part that they dont deem as "valid" for whatever reason? What does that software tool that theyre supposed to make public do? verify "authenticity"?
- rickdeckard 3y agoApple likely discovered that with minor modifications (like the right to prominently discredit "unlicensed" spare parts) they can: 1.) prominently "devalue" parts where Apple is not earning money, apply the "Licensed by Apple" model from accessories (which comes with annual member fees, steep certification costs and per-unit revenue share) to component manufacturers, which then charge a premium for components to not trigger the "non-genuine part" alarm on the device... 1.) create an UBER-like business model for "Apple-recommended" repair shops, where Apple has even less obligation than now, with all costs of compliance to their blessing covered by individual shops, and Apple earning revenue-share from every Apple-customer related transaction in those shops (by only allowing use of licensed parts)... After all, if Apple moves to USB-C on the iPhone, and the EU regulation has no loop-hole for them to only allow "Apple-licensed" USB-C cables, they need to compensate for that loss of revenue...
- cherioo 3y agoThere are several way different groups are viewing right to repair, that I find isn’t getting much coverage. Consumer: right to repair means fixing my broken display will be a DIY job for $50? Sweet! Repair shop: right to repair means I can source a display from lowest bidder, charge $150 for broken screen, and make $120 in profit? Let’s go! Apple: right to repair means you must buy $275 display module to fix a broken display. Apple being world’s most valuable company, is not going to willingly allow consumer or repair shop to get advantage over itself without kicking and screaming. A smartphone is not a device of yore, where components cost make up vast majority of its price. Instead it is almost pure margin. Every device repaired without handing cash to Apple handsomely is one less device they can sell.
- Terretta 3y ago> Apple: right to repair means you must buy $275 display module to fix a broken display. We cast about for myriad unique negative motives for Apple, while essentially all the various activities that "harm" middlemen are better explained by: Apple wants normal buyers to have a frictionless no worries experience. They didn't care about the telcos, refusing to bundle crapware. They don't care about the mall screen repair kiosk. They don't care about ad companies. They don't care about any middlemen on the value chain. They care about how the normal buyer feels about depending on and using Apple. You can explain product designs, app store curation, Apple store experiences, and repair policies, through this "don't make me worry" experience lens. > Apple being world’s most valuable company, is not going to willingly allow consumer or repair shop to get advantage over itself without kicking and screaming. They are not most valuable by screwing people over. Resenting this suggests the real complaint is annoyance at having to go that extra mile of excellence around the total experience to compete. It's incredibly difficult to compete with their operational excellence. The negative motives are mostly attributed to profit motive, as in this parent post, though when taken apart, Apple is usually find to be delivering a more consistently high quality at a margin comparable to rest of market, with any better margins usually boiling down to operational excellence. > A smartphone is not a device of yore, where components cost make up vast majority of its price. Instead it is almost pure margin. Every device repaired without handing cash to Apple handsomely is one less device they can sell. Teardown after teardown has found when you include not just parts but also assembly quality and longevity, as reflected in resale value, (a) other manufacturers such as Samsung or Dell charge the same for flagship products, and (b) Apple's assembly retains higher resale value. This would imply Apple's focus is on quality, quality costs money, and yet their pricing is comparable to flagships of less quality, making Apple a reasonable or even better "deal". Of course, it's not just that. There's an overall value prop you can expect anywhere you engage with Apple in their value chain, including walking into a store for a repair: - Think Different (and at the experience level, not just the parts) - Tech that "just works" (relative to others, and w/o tinkering) - "Using the product" is the product, not "User" is the product
- pzo 3y agoI have 2 phones that are practically useless for daily use: iPhone XS and iPhone X - my iPhone XS face id stopped working after bigger moisture in SE Asia, my sister iPhone X screen was broken and after screen replacement also face id stopped working. Authorised apple repair shops quoted ~300 euro for face id replacement - with a caveat that if they detect any moisture they won't fix it at all. For that price I can buy any of those phones second hand. Unauthorised shops told me they have no way to replace face id. With android phones at least you can unlock your phone not with pin code but with gesture or unlock with cheap smart mi band. I knew apple watch can be used to unlock your phone but it WONT work if you face id or touch id IS broken. So all those phones are just sitting on a shelf and I use one just for app testing. With apple serialising parts I think things are just getting worse, not better - what's the point when you are forced to buy genuine parts from apple (instead of genuine but from donor devices) and still have to go through authorised repair shop and this is economically just not worth it? What's the point of your 'right to repair' but you have to pay 50-100% of you (second-hand) device price?
- kaba0 3y agoYou can set quite a long time before your phone locks though, so you only have to enter your pin after a longer period of not using it.
- Mindwipe 3y agoI too have changed my mind and do want to do the washing up, ten minutes after realising that I have clearly lost the argument with my wife that it's my turn and desperately trying to redeem some credit for it.
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- jeffrallen 3y agoThis is Apple we are talking about. If it's compliance, it's most certainly malicious compliance. There are good reasons to prefer Apple but repairability is not one of them.
- isykt 3y agoRegulation always benefits incumbents, as they are already positioned to both shape and comply with the regulation.
- readonthegoapp 3y agothat's US public policy - fight everything good (democracy) until it becomes clear that we've lost the fight, then at the last moment switch our public stance and say we were for it the whole time - we just wanted some tweaks. privately, we oppose everything good all the time, from beginning to end -- only the public stance changes. i'm sure that's the same for Apple and every other big tech firm, every tech firm, every firm.
- likenesstheft 3y agoApple didn't want to replace the keyboard on an m1 macbook I have. It was only a couple years old at the time. The guy at the Genius Bar just said no.
- ecf 3y agoHN’s anti-Apple stance is getting tiring. Don’t like them? Don’t use them. It’s not hard.
- Racing0461 3y agoAnytime a big company supports more regulation, it means they are doing it anti-competitively. Small businesses should not have to adhere to the provisions < X revenue + Y employees.