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So they don't want to promote it in the Android Market, but you can still install it from other sources, can't you? I mean, wouldn't a curated collection in "P

by tvon 15y ago

So they don't want to promote it in the Android Market, but you can still install it from other sources, can't you? I mean, wouldn't a curated collection in "Play Store" (or whatever it's called) along with the option to download outside apps be the best of both worlds?

ajross 15y ago
Yes, you can always install a .apk file directly via download, though there are a few steps to the process (turn on "developer mode" or whatever, then find the unassociated downloaded file and launch it). Amazon seems to be making it work with their market app though, so it's probably not insurmountable. But no, I wouldn't consider that a "best" of the two worlds. Adult sites like reddit mix "clean" content and NSFW stuff all the time, and dumping them in an unsupported bin isn't likely to make anyone happy. If there's a curation step, there also needs to be a opt-in for people who don't mind the occasional nudity with their geek news.
- pbhjpbhj 15y ago
  >opt-in for people who don't mind the occasional nudity // This sounds like a fanboy-like purposed miscategorisation. Reddit links to hardcore pornography (and mirrors it in thumbnail form) and has until very recently carried Child pornography. It is also a hub for extreme NSFL shock imagery. You can argue that someone should provide a repository for Android apps that allow access to such things but I don't think you can fairly expect any particular company to put their name to promotion of that sort of content. Any company that wishes to remain with an appearance of respectability would probably do well to keep a large distance between themselves and reddit (and probably 4chan from what I've heard but I'm not that familiar with it - I've visited a couple of times and what I found was relatively tame compared to what I've seen on reddit, YMMV). >'reddit is fun banned for "sexually explicit material"' That sounds like the correct analysis to me.
  - ajross 15y ago
    Reddit links to hardcore pornography (and mirrors it in thumbnail form) I guess that's true, because Reddit accepts and mirrors thumbnails from any image link posted. But that doesn't make it a "porn site" either. Lots of folks like me go there to read stuff like /r/askscience, which is about as good a pop science hub as any in print or web form anywhere in the world. You're saying you'd want to be censoring that forum because of stuff people do elsewhere on the site? You're not alone, but I suspect you'll find very few supporters for that opinion here. And I think your information might be a little spun. When on earth did Reddit carry child pornography? Doing so is a crime pretty much anywhere, and I don't remember any FBI raids.
    - tvon 15y ago
      Some info on reddit and alleged CP content: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3466025 http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=346...
      - pbhjpbhj 15y ago
        FWIW that link seems particularly lacking in objectivity.
        tvon 15y ago
        Indeed, I didn't mean to claim otherwise, but as far as I know it's a large part of the reason why reddit has purged the listed subs.
    - pbhjpbhj 15y ago
      >But that doesn't make it a "porn site" either. Lots of folks like me go there to read stuff like /r/askscience, which is about as good a pop science hub as any in print or web form anywhere in the world. You're saying you'd want to be censoring that forum because of stuff people do elsewhere on the site? // Nice and strawy. I never said that reddit was a "porn site"; probably because it isn't primarily (though there's observer bias, that's not how I use it shall we say). However subreddits do promote hardcore porn. I didn't at any time say I was going to deny anyone access to, nor label as adult material, /r/askscience. >And I think your information might be a little spun. // I visited a "bestof" thread that linked to what is almost certainly categorised as child pornography in my jurisdiction (and in the US AFAICT under the Dost test) and FWIW reported the content of that subreddit to the IWF based on the thumbnails+titles (IWF is a UK watchdog, see https://www.iwf.org.uk/hotline/assessment-levels https://www.iwf.org.uk/hotline/assessment-levels). There was a previous incident involving subreddits created by violentcrez (sp?) where the subreddit was closed by reddit as users were making offers and requests explicitly for images of an under-age girl. See http://i.imgur.com/mWqlJ.png http://i.imgur.com/mWqlJ.png (NSFW, images there may be illegal in your country - they're copies of reddit thumbnails) for example and the thread I found that in http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/pj804/are_you_fucking_kidding_me_with_this/ http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/pj804/are_you_fucking_k... which started as a rather forceful apologia for paedophilic imagery.
  - icebraining 15y ago
    How is listing user submitted apps "promoting" that content? Is HN promoting CP* because they didn't delete your own post further down? * assuming it is CP, as you claimed

by tvon 15y ago

ajross 15y ago

Yes, you can always install a .apk file directly via download, though there are a few steps to the process (turn on "developer mode" or whatever, then find the unassociated downloaded file and launch it). Amazon seems to be making it work with their market app though, so it's probably not insurmountable. But no, I wouldn't consider that a "best" of the two worlds. Adult sites like reddit mix "clean" content and NSFW stuff all the time, and dumping them in an unsupported bin isn't likely to make anyone happy. If there's a curation step, there also needs to be a opt-in for people who don't mind the occasional nudity with their geek news.

pbhjpbhj 15y ago
>opt-in for people who don't mind the occasional nudity // This sounds like a fanboy-like purposed miscategorisation. Reddit links to hardcore pornography (and mirrors it in thumbnail form) and has until very recently carried Child pornography. It is also a hub for extreme NSFL shock imagery. You can argue that someone should provide a repository for Android apps that allow access to such things but I don't think you can fairly expect any particular company to put their name to promotion of that sort of content. Any company that wishes to remain with an appearance of respectability would probably do well to keep a large distance between themselves and reddit (and probably 4chan from what I've heard but I'm not that familiar with it - I've visited a couple of times and what I found was relatively tame compared to what I've seen on reddit, YMMV). >'reddit is fun banned for "sexually explicit material"' That sounds like the correct analysis to me.
- ajross 15y ago
  Reddit links to hardcore pornography (and mirrors it in thumbnail form) I guess that's true, because Reddit accepts and mirrors thumbnails from any image link posted. But that doesn't make it a "porn site" either. Lots of folks like me go there to read stuff like /r/askscience, which is about as good a pop science hub as any in print or web form anywhere in the world. You're saying you'd want to be censoring that forum because of stuff people do elsewhere on the site? You're not alone, but I suspect you'll find very few supporters for that opinion here. And I think your information might be a little spun. When on earth did Reddit carry child pornography? Doing so is a crime pretty much anywhere, and I don't remember any FBI raids.
  - tvon 15y ago
    Some info on reddit and alleged CP content: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3466025 http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=346...
    - pbhjpbhj 15y ago
      FWIW that link seems particularly lacking in objectivity.
      - tvon 15y ago
        Indeed, I didn't mean to claim otherwise, but as far as I know it's a large part of the reason why reddit has purged the listed subs.
  - pbhjpbhj 15y ago
    >But that doesn't make it a "porn site" either. Lots of folks like me go there to read stuff like /r/askscience, which is about as good a pop science hub as any in print or web form anywhere in the world. You're saying you'd want to be censoring that forum because of stuff people do elsewhere on the site? // Nice and strawy. I never said that reddit was a "porn site"; probably because it isn't primarily (though there's observer bias, that's not how I use it shall we say). However subreddits do promote hardcore porn. I didn't at any time say I was going to deny anyone access to, nor label as adult material, /r/askscience. >And I think your information might be a little spun. // I visited a "bestof" thread that linked to what is almost certainly categorised as child pornography in my jurisdiction (and in the US AFAICT under the Dost test) and FWIW reported the content of that subreddit to the IWF based on the thumbnails+titles (IWF is a UK watchdog, see https://www.iwf.org.uk/hotline/assessment-levels https://www.iwf.org.uk/hotline/assessment-levels). There was a previous incident involving subreddits created by violentcrez (sp?) where the subreddit was closed by reddit as users were making offers and requests explicitly for images of an under-age girl. See http://i.imgur.com/mWqlJ.png http://i.imgur.com/mWqlJ.png (NSFW, images there may be illegal in your country - they're copies of reddit thumbnails) for example and the thread I found that in http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/pj804/are_you_fucking_kidding_me_with_this/ http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/pj804/are_you_fucking_k... which started as a rather forceful apologia for paedophilic imagery.
- icebraining 15y ago
  How is listing user submitted apps "promoting" that content? Is HN promoting CP* because they didn't delete your own post further down? * assuming it is CP, as you claimed