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This is the natural consequence of Citizen United (such a dishonest name). When those with money is allowed to leverage their wealth to disproportionately affec

This is the natural consequence of Citizen United (such a dishonest name). When those with money is allowed to leverage their wealth to disproportionately affect legal proceedings and lawmaking, it is just a step towards dystopia.

bombcar 3y ago
We’re rapidly allowing ourselves to slump to a moneycracy - one dollar = one vote.
asu_thomas 3y ago
It's called capitalism for a reason. What are you suggesting as an alternative?
- tw04 3y ago
  Capitalism is a monetary policy, not a form of government. In the US, it is becoming a form of government to the detriment of democracy. When people cannot voice their opinion through voting, it tends to end badly. Here’s hoping the rich folks figure that out before it’s too late to solve with democracy.
  - asu_thomas 3y ago
    > Capitalism is a monetary policy, not a form of government. Capitalism is a mode of social relations that monetary policy is downstream from. Remember capitalism was established as dominant by way of revolution. Capitalism and democracy fundamentally contradict one another from the outset, but democracy was capitalism's path to victory. The contradiction still remains.
  - orwin 3y ago
    Capitalism is a production policy. It just meant that the one who choose what get built and where are the one with the monetary capital.
    - asu_thomas 3y ago
      If you don't bother to mention how they attained the capital, you could be describing feudalism as well! Realize the most important aspect of capitalism is the ability to accumulate capital, to a fundamentally infinite end because any limits will be overturned by the controllers of the capital.
endisneigh 3y ago
There are a lot of problems with lobbying but in this case I don’t see the relevance. With sufficient appeals any case could theoretically be taken to the Supreme Court. It’s not like you can pay to skip the process.
kjksf 3y ago
Citizen United is bad but this has nothing to do with it. It's just a lawsuit against NY that the plaintiffs hope to get in front of Supreme Court and win there. The article insinuates there's lobbying involved but it's mum on the details i.e. what exactly they are spending money on given that it'll be decided by 9 judges. Furthermore, I believe Citizen United is specifically about spending money on political candidates and whatever lobbying this is, it's not that.
- BizarroLand 3y ago
  My question is, how can the case be at the Supreme court level already? What about New Yorks's Supreme courts. What were the results of trying it locally? And why would the Supreme Court of the United States pass any ruling other than, "states can decide for themselves whether they want to use rent control or not", since that was the same argument they used for Abortion?

bombcar 3y ago

We’re rapidly allowing ourselves to slump to a moneycracy - one dollar = one vote.

asu_thomas 3y ago

It's called capitalism for a reason. What are you suggesting as an alternative?

tw04 3y ago
Capitalism is a monetary policy, not a form of government. In the US, it is becoming a form of government to the detriment of democracy. When people cannot voice their opinion through voting, it tends to end badly. Here’s hoping the rich folks figure that out before it’s too late to solve with democracy.
- asu_thomas 3y ago
  > Capitalism is a monetary policy, not a form of government. Capitalism is a mode of social relations that monetary policy is downstream from. Remember capitalism was established as dominant by way of revolution. Capitalism and democracy fundamentally contradict one another from the outset, but democracy was capitalism's path to victory. The contradiction still remains.
- orwin 3y ago
  Capitalism is a production policy. It just meant that the one who choose what get built and where are the one with the monetary capital.
  - asu_thomas 3y ago
    If you don't bother to mention how they attained the capital, you could be describing feudalism as well! Realize the most important aspect of capitalism is the ability to accumulate capital, to a fundamentally infinite end because any limits will be overturned by the controllers of the capital.

endisneigh 3y ago

There are a lot of problems with lobbying but in this case I don’t see the relevance. With sufficient appeals any case could theoretically be taken to the Supreme Court. It’s not like you can pay to skip the process.

kjksf 3y ago

Citizen United is bad but this has nothing to do with it. It's just a lawsuit against NY that the plaintiffs hope to get in front of Supreme Court and win there. The article insinuates there's lobbying involved but it's mum on the details i.e. what exactly they are spending money on given that it'll be decided by 9 judges. Furthermore, I believe Citizen United is specifically about spending money on political candidates and whatever lobbying this is, it's not that.

BizarroLand 3y ago
My question is, how can the case be at the Supreme court level already? What about New Yorks's Supreme courts. What were the results of trying it locally? And why would the Supreme Court of the United States pass any ruling other than, "states can decide for themselves whether they want to use rent control or not", since that was the same argument they used for Abortion?