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Job Corps: free, residential training and education for low-income young adults
- johnea 3y agoToo bad it's only available to 16-24 year olds...
- battery_glasses 3y agoAgreed. If they had this mixed with some sort of inpatient rehab I could see it offering a lot of hope to some really in-need people.
- rbanffy 3y ago> If they had this mixed with some sort of inpatient rehab That could be a somewhat different program, as rehab patients have very different requirements.
- soligern 3y agoNo, that would need to be a different program. You can’t just throw recovering drug addicts with young, impressionable kids.
- ForestCritter 3y agoThat what they do at job corps. There are plenty of court mandated students enrolled.
- rbanffy 3y agoI wonder how much would it cost to make it universal
- JohnFen 3y agoI hear you, but it's probably a good thing. I've noticed that the more targeted a program is, the better it tends to be. I've seen many programs get ruined for everybody by trying to do too much.
- courseofaction 3y agoBlocked from Australia?
- simlevesque 3y agoCanada too.
- psKama 3y agoOutside of the USA, apparently.
- indigo945 3y agoAlso from Germany, so it's probably just blocked everywhere but in the US. You can access it via the Internet Archive [1]. [1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20230817190924/https://www.jobcorps.gov/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230817190924/https://www.jobco...
- ryandrake 3y agoWeird that they'd go through all the trouble to block the web site to visitors outside of the USA. It's not like it contains NSA secrets or the USA's Canada-invasion plan.
- bobthepanda 3y agoI mean, people trying to defraud welfare/benefits from abroad is unfortunately not uncommon.
- sneak 3y agoI'm a US citizen and taxpayer in a non-US country who has no intention of using this program or interfacing with it in any way but still would like to read the FAQ and see what my tax money is being used for. Geographical censorship is bad.
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- dnadler 3y agoI have to say, the "What is Job Corp?" page does not directly answer the question at all. It sounds like some kind of school? Do students pay tuition? Is it free? What do they learn? How long does it take? Where is it?
- pkaye 3y agoIts basically vocational training. It doesn't cost anything. Must be 16-24 and meet low income criteria. Its been around since 1964. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_Corps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_Corps
- jetbalsa 3y agoI attended this program about 10 years ago. To answer your questions, It is a school, they pay the student a stipend and lots of other benefits. the courses are mostly "blue collar" related job training. So thing like Welding, Brick Laying, Computer Repair. You will find most of their courses are targeting job sectors that are in need of people. they also house you for the entire time and is a rather good program to get into.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoDo you know if they have any partnership or work with foster homes to give foster kids a solid path into adulthood?
- jetbalsa 3y agoSo once you join you are housed in a dorm on campus. Once you start to leave they will help you find a job, a home and give you starting money. You will not leave the campus until all of this is done. Once you are out on your own, You can rejoin Job Corps if you are still under aged and do a different program and get all the same benefits
- thecyborganizer 3y agoI don't know if they have explicit partnerships, but it's certainly a program that case workers in the foster care system are aware of. My foster daughter's case worker explored it with her as one of a range of options after high school. (She ended up just getting a regular job instead.) I'd be really curious to know how it works out for former foster youth who try it. On the one hand I can imagine the structure and support to be really valuable to kids who have been in the foster care system. On the other hand foster youth often benefit most from systems that can give them lots of second chances and can work with them to meet their individual needs, and I don't know if that's something Job Corps can offer.
- unglaublich 3y agohttps://web.archive.org/web/20230817190924/https://www.jobcorps.gov/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230817190924/https://www.jobco...
- atentaten 3y agoI had a friend that did this in the mid 90s to finish up high school. I think it was a good experience for him.
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- t3rabytes 3y agoIt's not new -- it's been around for a long time, since the late 60s maybe?
- lizardking 3y agoIt's been around for quite awhile. I had a friend that went out of high school in the early 2000s.
- JohnFen 3y agoThe government has been running it since 1962. If they were going to screw it up, they would have done so already.
- markdown 3y agoWhy are Americans like this? I don't think there's another first world country with citizens who have as dim a view of government.
- dontknowwhyihn 3y agoHave you not noticed the complete disregard the United States has for its citizens?
- rbanffy 3y agoAnd some people still vote republican, despite a consistently worse record on caring for citizens.
- throwawa14223 3y agoThe republicans aren't perfect, but they're more effectively hamstringing the government than anyone else.
- giovannibonetti 3y agoFor those outside the US having their access blocked: https://archive.is/5tnbW https://archive.is/5tnbW
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- serhack_ 3y agoThanks Giovanni!
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- presidentender 3y agoA number of my acquaintances (rural Montana) went through this after high school. It is noble and it is well-intentioned. When students stick with it it often opens new opportunities that wouldn't be available otherwise. But it's not a silver bullet, and it requires a certain amount of diligence and self-awareness to be able to finish the program. It's not a party atmosphere like college or entry-level employment can be: how many 19-year-olds do you know who want to live in a dorm setting and show up on time? How many 22-year-olds want to go months without drinking? That said, it's a clear and coherent step forward for people who might otherwise feel lost, and that's a very good thing. Now, if only they had something for NEETs over job corps's age limit....
- ForHackernews 3y ago> how many 19-year-olds do you know who want to live in a dorm setting and show up on time? Sounds like all the young people in the military.
- presidentender 3y agoIs everyone suited for military service?
- poopbutt7 3y agoNo, some people are not suited for military service.
- mistrial9 3y agoif everyone is expected to do it, then the character of the program changes.. I am guessing at that since many ordinary countries have mandatory government service. I doubt that everyone there is subjected to classical troops psychology training, which is not for everyone.
- JohnFen 3y agoAnd all freshman at the university my children went to, where all first-year students are required to live in the dorms.
- rbanffy 3y agoThis is surprising considering it's in the US. Would be worth studying how it happened and how it managed to survive so many republican presidents.
- tomrod 3y agoROI, certainly. EDIT: seems like for older individuals it results in positive returns (I only glanced over the abstract): https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/29730155.pdf https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/29730155.pdf
- rbanffy 3y ago> ROI, certainly. I wouldn't imagine it's a high priority.
- tomrod 3y agoIt seems to be for most Republicans (cf. Reagan, `starve the beast`), and while I think Republican policy proposals tend to be malicious and ideological, I also value beneficial program objectives being efficiently met for the tax dollars I pay.
- CobrastanJorji 3y ago"Starve the Beast" wasn't about efficiency. It was about reducing revenue without even bothering to think through to deal with that on the spending end. It was the governmental equivalent of a parent quitting their job because "we spend too much." Heck, that was the exact metaphor Reagan used in the debates (except he made it about a kid's allowance). It made very little sense on the surface, and that was because the motivation was focused almost entirely on reducing the tax rates for the wealthy. They offered a bunch of insane justifications, including the famous "voodoo" "trickle-down economics" idea that if you cut taxes for the wealthy enough, they'd use the money to boost the economy, thereby raising tax revenue, so everybody would win. Absolute bullshit, but it's been seriously spoken of for decades like it's an actual thing with some sort of economic or mathematical backing.
- ramijames 3y agoDidn't Trump kill this? I went through job corps as a teen. I was going through a rough time and they set me on a better path.
- mikeyouse 3y agoThey tried to - announced it publicly but were met with broad bipartisan opposition so they said they were going to privatize the program instead, which was also met with bipartisan opposition, so I think they just gave up in the end and left it alone. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-administration-backtracks-on-closure-of-job-corps-program-after-bipartisan-opposition-from-congress/2019/06/19/64cea1b8-92ea-11e9-aadb-74e6b2b46f6a_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-administration...
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- soligern 3y agoHe tried to.
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- anon115 3y agoi actually did this its not for me they do let you allow live in dorms which i find is cool. if you live in california their is also a program called california conservation corps https://ccc.ca.gov/ https://ccc.ca.gov/ its like this but much more cooler i think i was about to move in but due to health reasons of my own i couldnt :(((
- schultzie 3y agoMy brother went through the job corp program in the mid aughts outside of Portland, Oregon. It was a great experience for him. He struggled throughout school[0], so at the beginning of his high school "career" he dropped out in favor of job corps. As a double-whammy, he's autistic. The structure of expectations and responsibilities that each individual had to handle every day worked great for him. Ultimately he didn't enter the career field he chose for job corps, but it did set him up for success later. Inevitably he ends up in leadership positions at places he works. He also got his high school diploma through the program. [0] Generally because he didn't fit in socially, and teachers treated him differently. He's very smart, but historically had a difficult time applying himself.
- amerine 3y agoMy middle sister sounds a lot like your brother and did the same! She was in the corps from ‘05 to ‘08. Got a HS diploma and she reflects back on her time very very fondly. Edit: also from the Oregon area.
- schultzie 3y agoI bet they met each other at some point! That was when he was there. Springdale Job Corps, then? He also looks back on it fondly, and fairly commonly throws out new experiences he got while he was there. Recently he revealed he used to volunteer at the Troutdale Library because there was a van that could take them from Springdale over there!
- amerine 3y agoYea!! I’m curious if he met a blonde peer named Andrea? Probably same age as him.
- iandanforth 3y agoStrangely this website is blocked from Canada. "The Amazon CloudFront distribution is configured to block access from your country."
- red-iron-pine 3y agosame, no luck here.
- hackernewds 3y agowhy would it be necessary in Canada?
- klyrs 3y agoBecause Americans are permitted to travel to Canada
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- kensai 3y agoCannot connect from Europe.
- m3t4man 3y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_Corps https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_Corps
- uses 3y agoMy brother went through this program. He got his GED and some practical skills. Overall it helped him get on a good track and get into the trades.
- herpderperator 3y agoIt's refreshing to see that the website has a bunch of tiny CSS stylesheets in the source rather than a bundled mess that is frontend these days. There are also a bunch of JS scripts at the bottom. It's been so long since I've seen modern sites have those. (Seems like they used Drupal as per the generator name.)
- PeterCorless 3y agoI used to teach algebra to students going through JobCorps. It was a second chance for young men and women who didn't get their diploma the first time around. I truly believed in the mission of preparing a new generation with education, life skills, and vocational training to let them become productive and enthusiastic members of our society. The site in San Jose Job Corps was run with some of the most awesome humans. I worked for John Muir Charter School, who worked in cooperation with the California Conservation Corps — the hardy souls who go out to take care of our forests and trails. It was hard work, but awesome stuff.
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- tristor 3y agoI've known several people who went through Job Corps, got back to our home town, and then went right back to being lumps on a log. One person I know made their "living" scamming government benefits after going through Job Corps, and never worked in the industry they were trained in. The saddest part is all of them would have made many times more income just working in the field they were trained in /and/ the jobs were available, but a large number of people simply don't want to "work" (ironically, since they sometimes invest more effort for less return to scam than doing a real job). I don't know what to do about the sociopsychological issues that plague the lower class in this country, and it really rarely has anything to do with a skills gap (skills are easily obtainable for those who want to obtain them).
- asu_thomas 3y agoThe wages are too low. Without assistance, they'd probably commit suicide, so you're logic is based on a false binary. A job that doesn't earn a base level of dignity is not necessarily worth living for, so people give up. It's very simple.
- lagniappe 3y agoWhich jobs are there that don't earn a base level of dignity?
- vkou 3y agoLower-end service work in large, expensive cities. You aren't treated with dignity by the customers, by your boss, or by the size of your paychecks.
- tristor 3y agoAnd where in Job Corps does it train you for lower-end service work in large, expensive cities? Most of the people going to Job Corps are not from large, expensive cities, and none of their centers are in large, expensive cities. The work they're training for is skilled blue collar work, all of which pays relatively decently and is not "low-end service work".
- worldsoup 3y agoMy grandfather was an academic who studied 'socially alienated adolescents' and was the original director of this program when it was developed back in the 60's. This is one of his original lectures on the social dynamics that drove the program: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPwV8miW46I&ab_channel=NationalArchivesVideoCollection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPwV8miW46I&ab_channel=Natio...
- Eumenes 3y ago"Free"
- pierat 3y agoAh yes, that program. I tried to get in, but my parents made too much, so I didn't qualify. Did they share their significant income with me? Hah NO. Did they contribute to any college? $2000. Oh wait, that was from my grandpa's will. My income was like $15000/yr, from working at a Subway. Real big wage earner. But nope, my worthless parents made bank so I didn't get any help to succeed. Fuck the whole "well your parents are rich so you also must be".
- IronWolve 3y agoThis is also an issue for student loans...
- pierat 3y agoIf it wasn't for my SO and their parents, I'd leave to a decent country. This place blows. So many anti-rich person policies and laws that basically criminalize poverty. Then again, I need money to leave. And getting rid of citizenship costs $2500 IF you don't have any loans. If you have student loans, you're just fucked.
- okaram 3y agoOnly if you want to come back ... If not, you can leave and ignore everything ;)
- rcbdev 3y agoAren't Americans on the hook for global taxation?
- blissfulresup 3y agoYou’d also owe taxes for 10 years after renouncing
- blissfulresup 3y agoYou’d also owe US taxes for 10 years after renouncing
- fb03 3y agoCan't access from South America.
- highwayman47 3y agoOh look another government program I’m too rich for despite living paycheck to paycheck
- ForestCritter 3y agommm and you can get gang raped, robbed, beaten, not get needed medical help, the list goes on. At your own peril.
- rodolphoarruda 3y agoWebsite blocked in Brazil.
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