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Freedom of association - the right to tell someone to get off your lawn, or your website - is free speech too.

by w0de0 3y ago

Dan_Sylveste 3y ago
Yes, and it's restricted in the case of providers of infrastructure deemed essential to the operation of a civil society. Electricity and landline providers can't decline to serve either the KKK or the Black Panthers. Twitter, being the de facto modern public square, should soon be covered by this type of legislation.
- orwin 3y ago
  The only left-wing group i followed on twitter was banned so quickly i thought they posted CP or violence. They did not[0]. [0]https://fr.crimethinc.com/2022/11/25/elon-musk-bans-crimethinc-from-twitter-on-request-from-far-right-troll https://fr.crimethinc.com/2022/11/25/elon-musk-bans-crimethi...
  - Dan_Sylveste 3y ago
    Lots of pictures of France burning on their site, intriguing. I guess when it comes down to it I do believe that the platform should be open to all, but there may well be specific times (such as during active and extensive rioting) that strategic delays and slowdowns may need to be inserted to prevent bad actors from using it as a coordinating tool. I find this regretful, but necessary. Condemn me. It is of no importance. History will absolve me.
    - orwin 3y ago
      So I guess removing legal content you don't agree with is okay. Which, I mean, it is, but I just want people to understand the 'new Twitter' isn't as high on 'free speech' as they sell themselves. They banned an account just because they disagreed on their politics (and the motivation was a deleted tweet from 2013 apparently). The ban wasn't regretful nor necessary, and why should I condemn anyone? I understand why Elon don't like anti-corporate discourse and why it bans it from his platform. I have trouble understanding that he apparently rescinded a ban of someone who posted CP, but at least he's coherent.
  - BlueTemplar 3y ago
    > When Musk says he’s building Twitter 2.0, he is referencing the transition from the original iteration of the internet—message boards, indymedia, a more or less open and participatory model—to Web 2.0, in which all interactions are shaped by the algorithms of a few tech overlords. They aim to determine what we are able to imagine as well as what we are able to say and do. What has already happened on Facebook and Instagram and is now occurring on Twitter is the inevitable consequence of increasingly widespread dependence on corporate media platforms. This has happened to Twitter already in 2013 (the "APIpocalypse", which notably, what started Mastodon), why did they keep using it for 9 years after that ?
- krapp 3y ago
  Twitter is in no way "the de facto modern public square." It isn't infrastructure.
  - Dan_Sylveste 3y ago
    Twitter is very much the de facto modern public square. I wouldn't call it 'infrastructure' but it's definitely a utility, which is probably why a person who specialises in utilities bought it.
    - w0de0 3y ago
      Nah. It’s a midsize forum. Reddit is bigger. Mumsnet tier.

Freedom of association - the right to tell someone to get off your lawn, or your website - is free speech too.

by w0de0 3y ago

Freedom of association - the right to tell someone to get off your lawn, or your website - is free speech too.

Yes, and it's restricted in the case of providers of infrastructure deemed essential to the operation of a civil society. Electricity and landline providers can't decline to serve either the KKK or the Black Panthers. Twitter, being the de facto modern public square, should soon be covered by this type of legislation.

orwin 3y ago
The only left-wing group i followed on twitter was banned so quickly i thought they posted CP or violence. They did not[0]. [0]https://fr.crimethinc.com/2022/11/25/elon-musk-bans-crimethinc-from-twitter-on-request-from-far-right-troll https://fr.crimethinc.com/2022/11/25/elon-musk-bans-crimethi...
- Dan_Sylveste 3y ago
  Lots of pictures of France burning on their site, intriguing. I guess when it comes down to it I do believe that the platform should be open to all, but there may well be specific times (such as during active and extensive rioting) that strategic delays and slowdowns may need to be inserted to prevent bad actors from using it as a coordinating tool. I find this regretful, but necessary. Condemn me. It is of no importance. History will absolve me.
  - orwin 3y ago
    So I guess removing legal content you don't agree with is okay. Which, I mean, it is, but I just want people to understand the 'new Twitter' isn't as high on 'free speech' as they sell themselves. They banned an account just because they disagreed on their politics (and the motivation was a deleted tweet from 2013 apparently). The ban wasn't regretful nor necessary, and why should I condemn anyone? I understand why Elon don't like anti-corporate discourse and why it bans it from his platform. I have trouble understanding that he apparently rescinded a ban of someone who posted CP, but at least he's coherent.
- BlueTemplar 3y ago
  > When Musk says he’s building Twitter 2.0, he is referencing the transition from the original iteration of the internet—message boards, indymedia, a more or less open and participatory model—to Web 2.0, in which all interactions are shaped by the algorithms of a few tech overlords. They aim to determine what we are able to imagine as well as what we are able to say and do. What has already happened on Facebook and Instagram and is now occurring on Twitter is the inevitable consequence of increasingly widespread dependence on corporate media platforms. This has happened to Twitter already in 2013 (the "APIpocalypse", which notably, what started Mastodon), why did they keep using it for 9 years after that ?
krapp 3y ago
Twitter is in no way "the de facto modern public square." It isn't infrastructure.
- Dan_Sylveste 3y ago
  Twitter is very much the de facto modern public square. I wouldn't call it 'infrastructure' but it's definitely a utility, which is probably why a person who specialises in utilities bought it.
  - w0de0 3y ago
    Nah. It’s a midsize forum. Reddit is bigger. Mumsnet tier.