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Long live the King of Kings Accession ritual in ancient Persia

32 points by diodorus 3y ago

itsthecourier 3y ago
Interestingly enough, the concept of going back to the tribe roots and becoming the lineage founder remains. In English coronation, the religious oath is preceded with a mass by which Elizabeth chose versicles of Peter and Matthew regarding civil service. In that sense I wonder if along the centuries they conserve the form of ritual but get rid of mysticism and accept modern pragmatism
doodlebugging 3y ago
We should all spend more time visiting museums. You can only learn so much from books. Sometimes you need to see the things that these cultures created to be able to form an understanding of the complexity of their traditions. I wonder whether homa is really scared or if it is sacred. I think a spell checker would miss this since both are spelled correctly so one would need to fall back on a grammar checker or on proof-reading before publishing.
- simonh 3y ago
  The huge bronze-bound Assyrian city gates in the British Museum are stunning. That's a real "Wow!" moment. https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Faverain%2F6414900981&psig=AOvVaw2N0TnLvC-aMN9y3QtQh_u9&ust=1692105508999000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBIQjhxqFwoTCKjuxLCe3IADFQAAAAAdAAAAABAP https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr...
- throwawayzx 3y ago
  My local museum got nothing to show since all my countrie's artifact's were stolen and kept in the European museums. Got to wait until we get strong enough to steal ours back. Lol
  - newZWhoDis 3y ago
    If it makes you feel any better all those historically powerful civilizations (you know, the ones big enough to leave artifacts 3000 years later) were absolutely brutal to others. So “their” artifacts are really just collections of things they killed/raped/stole from others. I love the pyramids, for example, but they’re also monuments to slavery.
    - contravariant 3y ago
      > I love the pyramids, for example, but they’re also monuments to slavery. Really? Of all the possible examples of brutality you pick the one that probably didn't happen? Not that it negates your point, but still.
      - ctrlp 3y ago
        many such cases
      - rexpop 3y ago
        You are right, the OP does something of a disservice to the facts. Slavery was prevalent elsewhere in ancient Egypt[0]. In a sense, however, the contributions of slavery to Egyptian society provided economic foundations for projects like the pyramids. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Egypt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Egypt
    - nradov 3y ago
      The best evidence indicates that Egyptian pyramid workers were not slaves. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/pyramid/explore/builders.html https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/pyramid/explore/builders.html
    - morby 3y ago
      The pyramids, as suggested by evidence, was NOT built by slaves, but by craftsmen. Which makes sense. You don’t get someone who you captured at war or pillaging or what have you, to build an intricate construct that requires a lot of skill and knowledge.
- mejutoco 3y ago
  I agree we should strive to see originals in person. Other than this, I think a book is almost better educational than the alternative at the museum. Usually, the object is sitting there with a tiny text explaining nothing (mixed medium, untitled). Audio-guides are usually horrible. Multimedia explanations are very often as interactive as a powerpoint; many interactive, if present, elements are broken. Only good guided tours (not constantly available) seem to provide good educational value. Other than this I either: knew exactly what I was going to see; I saw some objects/painting, and only later, reading in books, I appreciated why they were interesting.
  - doodlebugging 3y ago
    I agree about books in that context for the same reasons you list. A description in a book can add so much more context to the description that it can place you in the shoes of the craftsman who made the item on display. Audio guides are okay for context in some situations but I have found that you end up standing in one place while the narration completes and your group moves on without you. Maybe that's just me. (Ummm, has anyone seen Dad?). Guided tours are interesting especially when the guide knows the material and wants to present it in ways that encourage the visitors to ask questions.
weaverheavy 3y ago
Drip.

32 points by diodorus 3y ago

Interestingly enough, the concept of going back to the tribe roots and becoming the lineage founder remains. In English coronation, the religious oath is preceded with a mass by which Elizabeth chose versicles of Peter and Matthew regarding civil service. In that sense I wonder if along the centuries they conserve the form of ritual but get rid of mysticism and accept modern pragmatism

doodlebugging 3y ago

We should all spend more time visiting museums. You can only learn so much from books. Sometimes you need to see the things that these cultures created to be able to form an understanding of the complexity of their traditions. I wonder whether homa is really scared or if it is sacred. I think a spell checker would miss this since both are spelled correctly so one would need to fall back on a grammar checker or on proof-reading before publishing.

simonh 3y ago
The huge bronze-bound Assyrian city gates in the British Museum are stunning. That's a real "Wow!" moment. https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Faverain%2F6414900981&psig=AOvVaw2N0TnLvC-aMN9y3QtQh_u9&ust=1692105508999000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBIQjhxqFwoTCKjuxLCe3IADFQAAAAAdAAAAABAP https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr...
throwawayzx 3y ago
My local museum got nothing to show since all my countrie's artifact's were stolen and kept in the European museums. Got to wait until we get strong enough to steal ours back. Lol
- newZWhoDis 3y ago
  If it makes you feel any better all those historically powerful civilizations (you know, the ones big enough to leave artifacts 3000 years later) were absolutely brutal to others. So “their” artifacts are really just collections of things they killed/raped/stole from others. I love the pyramids, for example, but they’re also monuments to slavery.
  - contravariant 3y ago
    > I love the pyramids, for example, but they’re also monuments to slavery. Really? Of all the possible examples of brutality you pick the one that probably didn't happen? Not that it negates your point, but still.
    - ctrlp 3y ago
      many such cases
    - rexpop 3y ago
      You are right, the OP does something of a disservice to the facts. Slavery was prevalent elsewhere in ancient Egypt[0]. In a sense, however, the contributions of slavery to Egyptian society provided economic foundations for projects like the pyramids. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Egypt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Egypt
  - nradov 3y ago
    The best evidence indicates that Egyptian pyramid workers were not slaves. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/pyramid/explore/builders.html https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/pyramid/explore/builders.html
  - morby 3y ago
    The pyramids, as suggested by evidence, was NOT built by slaves, but by craftsmen. Which makes sense. You don’t get someone who you captured at war or pillaging or what have you, to build an intricate construct that requires a lot of skill and knowledge.
mejutoco 3y ago
I agree we should strive to see originals in person. Other than this, I think a book is almost better educational than the alternative at the museum. Usually, the object is sitting there with a tiny text explaining nothing (mixed medium, untitled). Audio-guides are usually horrible. Multimedia explanations are very often as interactive as a powerpoint; many interactive, if present, elements are broken. Only good guided tours (not constantly available) seem to provide good educational value. Other than this I either: knew exactly what I was going to see; I saw some objects/painting, and only later, reading in books, I appreciated why they were interesting.
- doodlebugging 3y ago
  I agree about books in that context for the same reasons you list. A description in a book can add so much more context to the description that it can place you in the shoes of the craftsman who made the item on display. Audio guides are okay for context in some situations but I have found that you end up standing in one place while the narration completes and your group moves on without you. Maybe that's just me. (Ummm, has anyone seen Dad?). Guided tours are interesting especially when the guide knows the material and wants to present it in ways that encourage the visitors to ask questions.

weaverheavy 3y ago

Drip.