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You need theory before you get implementation.

by luc_ 3y ago

heyitsguay 3y ago
Wager: None of the theory on this page will have any bearing on the implementation of a real world AI system that solves any problem of interest. Not that there aren't problems to solve regarding AI, just that this line of inquiry won't be relevant to solving them. It'll be complicated boring work dealing with power structures, economics, and social movements, not thought experiments about omnipotent Others.
- mdp2021 3y ago
  You will have to be clearer, because I submitted here information about an «implementation of a real world AI system that solves [a] problem of interest» through some «theory on this page» only hours ago. It is not fully clear what you mean with "«this line of inquiry»", because the submission does not seem to deal with «omnipotent Others», and because the «boring work» will have no foundation without the actual product and its theoretical and technical enablers.
- esafak 3y ago
  "In preparing for battle, I have always found that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable." Eisenhower.
m463 3y ago
I'm sure there are plenty of things we've implemented without theory, such as global warming or the economy.
adastra22 3y ago
Most of the history of technological development is the other way around. Theory-driven novel engineering is actually quite rare.
- tiborsaas 3y ago
  Quantum mechanics was quite handy to develop electronics.
  - edgyquant 3y ago
    Quantum mechanics came about after we already had electronics. If anything it was a result of the hundred year disruption in physics that the use of electricity brought.
    - tiborsaas 3y ago
      It did, however we would probably have hit a ceiling if QM remained unknown to us. https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/112615/why-is-it-said-that-without-quantum-mechanics-we-would-not-have-modern-computers https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/112615/why-is-it...
  - adastra22 3y ago
    Electronics predate our physical understanding of how they work.
lordnacho 3y ago
Think we had the first airplane before Prandtl came up with his stuff.

You need theory before you get implementation.

by luc_ 3y ago

You need theory before you get implementation.

Wager: None of the theory on this page will have any bearing on the implementation of a real world AI system that solves any problem of interest. Not that there aren't problems to solve regarding AI, just that this line of inquiry won't be relevant to solving them. It'll be complicated boring work dealing with power structures, economics, and social movements, not thought experiments about omnipotent Others.

mdp2021 3y ago
You will have to be clearer, because I submitted here information about an «implementation of a real world AI system that solves [a] problem of interest» through some «theory on this page» only hours ago. It is not fully clear what you mean with "«this line of inquiry»", because the submission does not seem to deal with «omnipotent Others», and because the «boring work» will have no foundation without the actual product and its theoretical and technical enablers.
esafak 3y ago
"In preparing for battle, I have always found that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable." Eisenhower.

m463 3y ago

I'm sure there are plenty of things we've implemented without theory, such as global warming or the economy.

adastra22 3y ago

Most of the history of technological development is the other way around. Theory-driven novel engineering is actually quite rare.

tiborsaas 3y ago
Quantum mechanics was quite handy to develop electronics.
- edgyquant 3y ago
  Quantum mechanics came about after we already had electronics. If anything it was a result of the hundred year disruption in physics that the use of electricity brought.
  - tiborsaas 3y ago
    It did, however we would probably have hit a ceiling if QM remained unknown to us. https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/112615/why-is-it-said-that-without-quantum-mechanics-we-would-not-have-modern-computers https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/112615/why-is-it...
- adastra22 3y ago
  Electronics predate our physical understanding of how they work.

lordnacho 3y ago

Think we had the first airplane before Prandtl came up with his stuff.