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Hoarding is a mental disorder where the individual makes extreme connections between items, memories, and emotions. Getting rid of items is like throwing away

Hoarding is a mental disorder where the individual makes extreme connections between items, memories, and emotions. Getting rid of items is like throwing away something specials d apart of oneself. The rise of this mental disorder tracks the rise of all mental disorders in the west (eg. >60% of our communities girls HS volleyball team last year were on antidepressants). There are known microcauses for this: isolation, not enough physical activity, little vitamin D/Sun exposure, family structure, etc.

goodpoint 3y ago
> Hoarding is a mental disorder where the individual makes extreme connections between items, memories, and emotions. Decades of advertising might have something to do with this. Plus the fact that hoarding money, houses, cars... is highly praised.
- skeeter2020 3y ago
  >> Plus the fact that hoarding money, houses, cars... is highly praised This is not at all like the type of hoarding that's described here. You're referencing essentially greed, which we've been told is good at least since the early 80's
  - goodpoint 3y ago
    It is actually very similar.
flerchin 3y ago
60% of the girl's volleyball team is not experiencing many (or likely any) of those microcauses.
- wittenbunk 3y ago
  Yea what teenager feels isolated especially during lock down /s
- cudgy 3y ago
  True. Some of them watched a TikTok for example of someone who got sad after they broke up with their boyfriend and then took antidepressants to “calm” them down. These drugs are overly prescribed along with a cavalier attitude about using them amongst the public.
fnimick 3y ago
Or maybe the knowledge that a climate and economic crisis is imminent and the political reality is that it will go unsolved, ruining their lives before they have had a chance to live them?
- deleted 3y ago
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- ryandrake 3y ago
  We've had "imminent" crises going as far back to when I was a kid in the 70's, and long before that, too. Nuclear war, pollution, stagflation, the ozone hole, savings and loan crisis, smog, acid rain, AIDS, terrorism, and probably more all happened during my lifetime. Each of them had varying levels of doomerism, but I don't think anyone really believed their lives were pre-ruined from any of them. Not sure why this generation thinks their lives are.
hoseja 3y ago
Do some people not value mementos at all? Is that not abnormal too? Seems like a sliding scale to me.
PurpleRamen 3y ago
> Hoarding is a mental disorder where the individual makes extreme connections between items, memories, and emotions. What about the type of hoarders who collect stuff for monetary reasons? I don't think there are memories involved, and I don't see a direct emotional connection. It's just people who believe that someday this stuff is valuable, or the other side, it's something they might need some day, for repairing or building, or something like that.
- saiya-jin 3y ago
  I don't think thats largely the case here. Otherwise you would be able to reason with such people, which is definitely not the case here. I'd go with that extreme emotional attachment and some form of autism / other disorder. Lets not forget non-trivial part of population is on spectrum of one/multiple psychiatric disorders, but say 2 out of 10 doesn't get you to mental asylum, rather on lifelong medicines if you get diagnosed properly, but most people do not get that luxury. So they often end up a massive pain in the A for basically everybody around them.
FollowingTheDao 3y ago
>The rise of this mental disorder tracks the rise of all mental disorders in the west (eg. >60% of our communities girls HS volleyball team last year were on antidepressants). There are known microcauses for this Yes, and the root cause for all of them is the increase in, and the inability to handle, oxidative stress: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3964745/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3964745/
- nradov 3y ago
  I am skeptical about that being the root cause. Competitive endurance athletes undergo a high level of oxidative stress during daily aerobic workouts. This doesn't seem to trigger mental disorders.
  - FollowingTheDao 3y ago
    Who says endurance Athletes don’t experience greater problems with mood disorders? Because they do. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10051630/#:~:text=Summary%20of%2010%2Dyear%20study,were%20diagnosed%20with%20clinical%20depression https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10051630/#:~:te.... There’s likely a U-shaped curve regarding the benefits of exercise and mental health.
lambda 3y ago
I think it's funny that the majority of causes you list (isolation, not enough physical activity, little vitamin D/Sun exposure) wouldn't apply at all to the group you cite as having widespread issues (girls HS volleyball team). As someone who struggles with mental health issues, and frequently not getting enough of many of those things mentioned, I've worked to try to do better about some of that; and it can sometimes help a bit. But the whole "get more exercise, touch grass, see a friend" isn't the magic cure-all that some people make it out to be; and worrying about doing enough of it can become a stressor all on its own. Additionally, seeing them as the solution can sometimes lead to harmful obsessive behaviors of trying too hard to seek them out, at the expense of other things like work or family time. Anyhow, not saying that getting more of these things is bad, or that they have no effect. Just that a lot of times discussions of mental health online feel very reductive. More exercise, more outdoor time, more time with friends, more antidepressants; each of these could potentially have positive effects, but they can also have negative effects, or be unobtainable, or there could be one of myriad other issues that need to be addressed, or there could be situations, either mental, physical, or social that are so broken that they can never really be addressed, just lived with or in some cases not even that.
- canucker2016 3y ago
  I think for people under 30, reducing social media exposure would help a lot (in general, for all ages - but many of those under 30 seem to live and breathe social media esp. girls/women)

goodpoint 3y ago

> Hoarding is a mental disorder where the individual makes extreme connections between items, memories, and emotions. Decades of advertising might have something to do with this. Plus the fact that hoarding money, houses, cars... is highly praised.

skeeter2020 3y ago
>> Plus the fact that hoarding money, houses, cars... is highly praised This is not at all like the type of hoarding that's described here. You're referencing essentially greed, which we've been told is good at least since the early 80's
- goodpoint 3y ago
  It is actually very similar.

flerchin 3y ago

60% of the girl's volleyball team is not experiencing many (or likely any) of those microcauses.

wittenbunk 3y ago
Yea what teenager feels isolated especially during lock down /s
cudgy 3y ago
True. Some of them watched a TikTok for example of someone who got sad after they broke up with their boyfriend and then took antidepressants to “calm” them down. These drugs are overly prescribed along with a cavalier attitude about using them amongst the public.

fnimick 3y ago

Or maybe the knowledge that a climate and economic crisis is imminent and the political reality is that it will go unsolved, ruining their lives before they have had a chance to live them?

deleted 3y ago
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ryandrake 3y ago
We've had "imminent" crises going as far back to when I was a kid in the 70's, and long before that, too. Nuclear war, pollution, stagflation, the ozone hole, savings and loan crisis, smog, acid rain, AIDS, terrorism, and probably more all happened during my lifetime. Each of them had varying levels of doomerism, but I don't think anyone really believed their lives were pre-ruined from any of them. Not sure why this generation thinks their lives are.

hoseja 3y ago

Do some people not value mementos at all? Is that not abnormal too? Seems like a sliding scale to me.

PurpleRamen 3y ago

> Hoarding is a mental disorder where the individual makes extreme connections between items, memories, and emotions. What about the type of hoarders who collect stuff for monetary reasons? I don't think there are memories involved, and I don't see a direct emotional connection. It's just people who believe that someday this stuff is valuable, or the other side, it's something they might need some day, for repairing or building, or something like that.

saiya-jin 3y ago
I don't think thats largely the case here. Otherwise you would be able to reason with such people, which is definitely not the case here. I'd go with that extreme emotional attachment and some form of autism / other disorder. Lets not forget non-trivial part of population is on spectrum of one/multiple psychiatric disorders, but say 2 out of 10 doesn't get you to mental asylum, rather on lifelong medicines if you get diagnosed properly, but most people do not get that luxury. So they often end up a massive pain in the A for basically everybody around them.

FollowingTheDao 3y ago

>The rise of this mental disorder tracks the rise of all mental disorders in the west (eg. >60% of our communities girls HS volleyball team last year were on antidepressants). There are known microcauses for this Yes, and the root cause for all of them is the increase in, and the inability to handle, oxidative stress: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3964745/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3964745/

nradov 3y ago
I am skeptical about that being the root cause. Competitive endurance athletes undergo a high level of oxidative stress during daily aerobic workouts. This doesn't seem to trigger mental disorders.
- FollowingTheDao 3y ago
  Who says endurance Athletes don’t experience greater problems with mood disorders? Because they do. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10051630/#:~:text=Summary%20of%2010%2Dyear%20study,were%20diagnosed%20with%20clinical%20depression https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10051630/#:~:te.... There’s likely a U-shaped curve regarding the benefits of exercise and mental health.

lambda 3y ago

I think it's funny that the majority of causes you list (isolation, not enough physical activity, little vitamin D/Sun exposure) wouldn't apply at all to the group you cite as having widespread issues (girls HS volleyball team). As someone who struggles with mental health issues, and frequently not getting enough of many of those things mentioned, I've worked to try to do better about some of that; and it can sometimes help a bit. But the whole "get more exercise, touch grass, see a friend" isn't the magic cure-all that some people make it out to be; and worrying about doing enough of it can become a stressor all on its own. Additionally, seeing them as the solution can sometimes lead to harmful obsessive behaviors of trying too hard to seek them out, at the expense of other things like work or family time. Anyhow, not saying that getting more of these things is bad, or that they have no effect. Just that a lot of times discussions of mental health online feel very reductive. More exercise, more outdoor time, more time with friends, more antidepressants; each of these could potentially have positive effects, but they can also have negative effects, or be unobtainable, or there could be one of myriad other issues that need to be addressed, or there could be situations, either mental, physical, or social that are so broken that they can never really be addressed, just lived with or in some cases not even that.

canucker2016 3y ago
I think for people under 30, reducing social media exposure would help a lot (in general, for all ages - but many of those under 30 seem to live and breathe social media esp. girls/women)