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> What do you need if you’re out seeking services at night? Food, sex, shelter. This really encapsulates what all humans want and need. Food, sex & love, shelt

> What do you need if you’re out seeking services at night? Food, sex, shelter. This really encapsulates what all humans want and need. Food, sex & love, shelter & clothing. With only those three things you can live a happy life. Everything else is really to satisfy a desire for novelty and experience.

eurleif 3y ago
Actually, it's just one thing: food & sex & love & shelter & clothing.
kibwen 3y ago
I'd rather quote the full bit, since the final sentence is important: > What do you need if you’re out seeking services at night? Food, sex, shelter. The staunch of a wound. What the author is trying to express isn't that someone out at night has different needs than someone out during the day, but rather that if you're out at night then whatever you're looking for has an urgency that outweighs sleep, like a bleeding wound.
seabass-labrax 3y ago
By your definition, I'm not a human. But then again, I always have thought that Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs was upside-down.
- kdmccormick 3y ago
  You value self-actualization above food and shelter? Like, have you ever been stuck out at night in the cold and rain without eating all day and thought, "I need to focus on pursuing my passions"?
  - Exoristos 3y ago
    Dues it surprise you that there are people on HN who have gone without food or proper shelter?
    - kdmccormick 3y ago
      Not at all! It would surprise me if someone had gone without food and shelter and then insisted that self-actualization was more important to them when they were cold and hungry.
      - MichaelZuo 3y ago
        1 in a million outliers do exist, some folks are even literally wired differently.
        deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
      - simple-thoughts 3y ago
        Limited shelter plus forced fasting is a way to achieve self actualization, learning both the limits of your body and discipline. Only to a degree, too much and you’re physically injured perhaps permanently.
      - Exoristos 3y ago
        Why? For the record, in my early twenties I moved to a city, fell in with a bad crowd, was robbed of my savings, and ended up living in my car for a time. I lost almost a pound a day that month. At no point did I start thinking differently, like a reptile or robot (or whatever you're imagining), or stop thinking about myself as a personality or a soul. Soft-science textbooks are manipulative bullshit.
  - whimsicalism 3y ago
    My guess is that they are asexual, not sure why everyone is jumping to them not requiring food for some reason.
    - sph 3y ago
      They literally said they believe the pyramid of needs to be upside down, so you'd have self-actualization at the bottom, and food and shelter at the top.
      - dumdumchan 3y ago
        And air
        KineticLensman 3y ago
        And wi-fi
nostrebored 3y ago
Hate this quote. This absolutely sums up certain cities though. Some places become amazing after dark. People just want to have a nice time together. Maybe that’s over food, maybe it involves sex, but more importantly it was about camaraderie.
- jayd16 3y ago
  I think in these discussions sex is just a glib shorthand for companionship of many kinds.
limaoscarjuliet 3y ago
This resonates with me so well. Every time I'm tired, hungry or horny, it very quickly changes how I perceive reality. Keep that state long enough and things change shape and meaning, as if I'm tuning my senses to new frequency.
darkclouds 3y ago
> Food, sex & love, shelter & clothing. With only those three things you can live a happy life. On the surface I think most would agree, but I think you need trust in a relationship. If your job or parents job moves you around, it becomes harder to lay down roots it gets harder to trust people in anything other than a superficial way. Friendships become a thing of the past. People end up becoming divided, but pre-internet this was standard practice employed by the UK govt, in the name of science and law & order. I'd be happy to spend the end of my life on my own now, ideally I'd even like a sort of drive-thru euthanasia service, where when you decide, not somebody else like doctors, politicians, scientists or religious freaks, where you can bowl up to an incinerating crematorium, pay a fee (because only a capitalist society would charge you to end your life in a painfree manner), optionally leave some beyond the grave messages, inject myself and end my life, body removed from the room, incinerated and the waste disposed of in the bin. Its the last act of self determination and autonomy any intelligent person could hope to have imo. Nobody gets their life back that's stolen by people in authority like parents, teachers, employers, politicians, scientists, lawyers and judges or superstitious types. Todays society, which everyone is in denial over, is the fact they are nothing more than the property of the entities that ultimately control society. If its any consolation, life can leave you feeling numb enough to make suicide a viable option whilst the criminals that run the world, get fat off the land. So I can relate to the article.
seabird 3y ago
I hear this often and the idea that some people believe it strikes me as profoundly sad. I don't know if it's even as applicable as people who say this think it is. I don't know anyone who has ate and loved/fucked their way out of the dread of doing nothing and knowing nothing. They're usually just left wondering "is this all there really is?" I know plenty of people that primarily live off of gruel with little to no sex or romance and still feel like they have everything to live for. The nights of making things and feeling that the world is a thing I live in instead of a thing I'm just subjected to, takes up much more of my mind than any sex, food, or shelter ever has.
- flangola7 3y ago
  Many people have neither. It's better if they can at least get one.
- jjj123 3y ago
  Maybe instead of sex the real need is connection, sex is one way to get it.
- lancesells 3y ago
  > I don't know anyone who has ate and loved/fucked their way out of the dread of doing nothing and knowing nothing I think you're taking my comment far too literally but you've never known anyone that's been happier because they've gotten in a good relationship, or pulled themselves out of poverty? I make things for a living and consider that to be a precious and valuable pursuit, but I'm only afforded that by having some degree of food, shelter, clothing, relationships.

eurleif 3y ago

Actually, it's just one thing: food & sex & love & shelter & clothing.

kibwen 3y ago

I'd rather quote the full bit, since the final sentence is important: > What do you need if you’re out seeking services at night? Food, sex, shelter. The staunch of a wound. What the author is trying to express isn't that someone out at night has different needs than someone out during the day, but rather that if you're out at night then whatever you're looking for has an urgency that outweighs sleep, like a bleeding wound.

seabass-labrax 3y ago

By your definition, I'm not a human. But then again, I always have thought that Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs was upside-down.

kdmccormick 3y ago
You value self-actualization above food and shelter? Like, have you ever been stuck out at night in the cold and rain without eating all day and thought, "I need to focus on pursuing my passions"?
- Exoristos 3y ago
  Dues it surprise you that there are people on HN who have gone without food or proper shelter?
  - kdmccormick 3y ago
    Not at all! It would surprise me if someone had gone without food and shelter and then insisted that self-actualization was more important to them when they were cold and hungry.
    - MichaelZuo 3y ago
      1 in a million outliers do exist, some folks are even literally wired differently.
      - deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
    - simple-thoughts 3y ago
      Limited shelter plus forced fasting is a way to achieve self actualization, learning both the limits of your body and discipline. Only to a degree, too much and you’re physically injured perhaps permanently.
    - Exoristos 3y ago
      Why? For the record, in my early twenties I moved to a city, fell in with a bad crowd, was robbed of my savings, and ended up living in my car for a time. I lost almost a pound a day that month. At no point did I start thinking differently, like a reptile or robot (or whatever you're imagining), or stop thinking about myself as a personality or a soul. Soft-science textbooks are manipulative bullshit.
- whimsicalism 3y ago
  My guess is that they are asexual, not sure why everyone is jumping to them not requiring food for some reason.
  - sph 3y ago
    They literally said they believe the pyramid of needs to be upside down, so you'd have self-actualization at the bottom, and food and shelter at the top.
    - dumdumchan 3y ago
      And air
      - KineticLensman 3y ago
        And wi-fi

nostrebored 3y ago

Hate this quote. This absolutely sums up certain cities though. Some places become amazing after dark. People just want to have a nice time together. Maybe that’s over food, maybe it involves sex, but more importantly it was about camaraderie.

jayd16 3y ago
I think in these discussions sex is just a glib shorthand for companionship of many kinds.

limaoscarjuliet 3y ago

This resonates with me so well. Every time I'm tired, hungry or horny, it very quickly changes how I perceive reality. Keep that state long enough and things change shape and meaning, as if I'm tuning my senses to new frequency.

darkclouds 3y ago

> Food, sex & love, shelter & clothing. With only those three things you can live a happy life. On the surface I think most would agree, but I think you need trust in a relationship. If your job or parents job moves you around, it becomes harder to lay down roots it gets harder to trust people in anything other than a superficial way. Friendships become a thing of the past. People end up becoming divided, but pre-internet this was standard practice employed by the UK govt, in the name of science and law & order. I'd be happy to spend the end of my life on my own now, ideally I'd even like a sort of drive-thru euthanasia service, where when you decide, not somebody else like doctors, politicians, scientists or religious freaks, where you can bowl up to an incinerating crematorium, pay a fee (because only a capitalist society would charge you to end your life in a painfree manner), optionally leave some beyond the grave messages, inject myself and end my life, body removed from the room, incinerated and the waste disposed of in the bin. Its the last act of self determination and autonomy any intelligent person could hope to have imo. Nobody gets their life back that's stolen by people in authority like parents, teachers, employers, politicians, scientists, lawyers and judges or superstitious types. Todays society, which everyone is in denial over, is the fact they are nothing more than the property of the entities that ultimately control society. If its any consolation, life can leave you feeling numb enough to make suicide a viable option whilst the criminals that run the world, get fat off the land. So I can relate to the article.

seabird 3y ago

I hear this often and the idea that some people believe it strikes me as profoundly sad. I don't know if it's even as applicable as people who say this think it is. I don't know anyone who has ate and loved/fucked their way out of the dread of doing nothing and knowing nothing. They're usually just left wondering "is this all there really is?" I know plenty of people that primarily live off of gruel with little to no sex or romance and still feel like they have everything to live for. The nights of making things and feeling that the world is a thing I live in instead of a thing I'm just subjected to, takes up much more of my mind than any sex, food, or shelter ever has.

flangola7 3y ago
Many people have neither. It's better if they can at least get one.
jjj123 3y ago
Maybe instead of sex the real need is connection, sex is one way to get it.
lancesells 3y ago
> I don't know anyone who has ate and loved/fucked their way out of the dread of doing nothing and knowing nothing I think you're taking my comment far too literally but you've never known anyone that's been happier because they've gotten in a good relationship, or pulled themselves out of poverty? I make things for a living and consider that to be a precious and valuable pursuit, but I'm only afforded that by having some degree of food, shelter, clothing, relationships.