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Statement on AP Psychology and Florida
- Khelavaster 3y agoYou can get college credit for AP tests without teaching the course...Florida schools just need to teach AP level material without the gender/sex component, and let students privately supplement the unauthorized sections..
- SamoyedFurFluff 3y agoI guess my question is if it’s illegal to even point students to self learn, or if it’s even illegal to administer an AP test with gender in it because it would force students to learn to get the credit. I don’t know if I was an underpaid schoolteacher if I would risk getting sued or doxxed or whatever for suggesting students self-study gender.
- tmpz22 3y agoWill Florida allow schools to administer the test if the test contains the content Florida has cancelled?
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- phmqk76 3y agoThis is the GOP plan - to dismantle public education in the name of “protecting children”, to voucherize education and break it apart, so that religious fundamentalists can use your tax dollars to teach their kids that evolution and gay people don’t exist, instead of producing an educated and responsible populace.
- olsonjeffery 3y agoAre you malicious or just ignorant? This is a terrible proposal (it’s not even a plan, just a hack). Should schools open up a supplemental essay so that applying students can share how they had to subvert the curriculum and then beg the college to accept their AP credits?
- throwaway4736 3y agoDeSantis has lots of good qualities and good positions but his bizarre culture-war obsessions make him look foolish and are absolutely destroying him on the national scene. If he would just focus on a pro-business, pro-development message, it would resonate. Instead he largely comes across as a weird, awkward troll.
- dralley 3y ago>If he would just focus on a pro-business, pro-development message Like funneling tens of millions of dollars of state funds directly into the pockets of his campaign backers, while spending tens of millions more state dollars filing petty lawsuits against Disney and Budweiser for perceived slights, with much of that money coming from state hurricane relief funds immediately prior to hurricane season. I don't think the insurance companies are feeling the "pro-business" administration right now, either.
- krapp 3y agoTrump is still the wide favorite, but given the amount and degree of charges he's facing, unlikely to be able to serve in office from a prison cell. DeSantis is positioning himself as the viable Trump alternative to a base still primarily obsessed with culture war. The national stage doesn't matter. Most people didn't vote for Trump and he still nearly got two terms.
- xorbax 3y agoWell I'm sure the bad parts are his real beliefs and the wierd stuff is political posturing and he's good enough at newSpeak to hold two contradictory ideas in his head with no problem. A state government small enough to fit in a child's shrinking future
- SamoyedFurFluff 3y agoIs there a way to stage an intervention on behalf of the young people affected by these policies? The original not teaching sexuality and gender law was only supposed to apply to grade 3 and under. How the hell did we get to highschool AP classes now??
- clipsy 3y ago> The original not teaching sexuality and gender law was only supposed to apply to grade 3 and under. No, it was never limited to grade 3 and under. Certain sections of it were. You were bamboozled by right-wing propaganda if you believed the bill only affected grade 3 and under.
- valleyer 3y agoYou'll win more hearts and minds if you just present misinformed people with the facts. Telling people that they were "bamboozled" makes them feel embarrassed (and probably less receptive to the important part of your message).
- clipsy 3y agoIt is neither my responsibility nor my desire to care for the feelings of people who would -- either through malice or ignorance -- relegate me to being a second class citizen.
- drewbug01 3y agoWould you believe that many folks (including myself) did, actually, present people with the facts at the time? And that the response was an overwhelming “you’re being alarmist” or “why do you want little kids to learn about sex, hmm?” Forgive us for being a little salty about it.
- valleyer 3y agoYeah, that's understandable. And I'm certainly guilty of reacting that way at times. This just seemed like a clear situation where the original commenter was genuinely open to others' opinions but instead was dealt an insult. That's going to discourage other people from opening up their minds in the same way.
- imadierich 3y ago"gender ideology" is a cult
- noduerme 3y agoIt's fucking brilliant in a way that only absolute hypocrites could manage: Florida's right wing government and the rest of the American right is up in arms (perhaps rightfully) about the curtailing of AP courses in science and math in the name of "equity" - yet they're perfectly happy to kneecap any sort of education that violates their increasingly Taliban-like social 'mores'. Oh and that whole freedom of speech bender they were on last year? They didn't mean it.
- nielsbot 3y agoIt’s all religious fundamentalism.
- noduerme 3y agoif you mean evangelicals and progressive doomsayers both, I totally agree.
- phmqk76 3y agoNo. Right wingers wrap themselves up in religious fundamentalism, it’s their stated goal. Not the left. You could disagree with how San Francisco handles math education (I certainly do), but don’t blame religious fundamentalism.
- noduerme 3y agoI used to think the causes and clothing of the left were more founded in humanism and logic than the senseless barbarian reactionary religion of the right, and I think they actually were until around the advent of social media when adopting leftist positions required you to think through problems before you were allowed to join groups for vanity (certain 60s vanity-left organizations aside). Now it appears to me just as much an organized religion as anything on the right. Both are doomsday cults full of mostly incoherent followers who can't articulate their basic positions, but are willing to die for them, having nothing much to live for.
- 1MachineElf 3y agoTrying to understand the impact of this. What will high school students not learn about gender from an AP psychology course that they wouldn't also learn from TikTok, Twitter, Tumblr, any left-of-center media outlet, or any college campus?
- GloomyBoots 3y ago[flagged]
- drewbug01 3y ago> negative qualities > increased rates of domestic abuse > rape and child sexual abuse > the association with childhood sexual trauma > obsession with pederasty > ties to orgs like NAMBLA Can you provide widely-accepted, credible sources or citations for any of the disgusting things you’ve alleged?
- GloomyBoots 3y agoI don’t need to do all of the work for you, but to get you started: Increased lesbian domestic violence rates https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_lesbian_relationships https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_lesbian... Increased gay pedophilia rates https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1556756/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1556756/ Childhood trauma https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3535560/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3535560/ A fun video on queer theory and pedophilia https://youtu.be/PJsf5QY12rg https://youtu.be/PJsf5QY12rg There’s quite a lot of information on such things. It’s not hard to dig into. I agree though, it is disgusting.
- drewbug01 3y agoFascinating sources! I find the wikipedia link about lesbian domestic violence so interesting, especially due to the all the well-sourced text it devotes to the fact that it's not actually possible to state anything with certainty about the prevalence of same-sex domestic violence! So - I wonder, what conclusion were you hoping a reader would draw from that source? --- The link to the study from 1992 about "gay pedophilia rates" is super intriguing. I mean, consider the first line of the abstract: "Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1" - or from a bit further in the abstract: "the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1". I presume you have read the second-to-last line of the abstract: "This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually." But what should we make of the final line of the abstract: "This, of course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a greater propensity to offend against children." I mean, it seems like the study is actually stating that despite an over-prevalence of homosexuals in the pedophilic group, that they still don't make up the majority of pedophiles? (I suppose we can ignore the fact that Freund himself advocated for homosexuality to be decriminalized) (I suppose we'd also have to ignore the fact that Freund himself published studies claiming precisely the opposite of what you've claimed here, and even references those results in this paper). --- The paper about childhood trauma is also so interesting. I assume you read this line from the abstract: "Epidemiological studies find a positive association between physical and sexual abuse, neglect, and witnessing violence in childhood and same-sex sexuality in adulthood" What do you make of the remainder of that same line from the abstract: "but studies directly assessing the association between these diverse types of maltreatment and sexuality cannot disentangle the causal direction because the sequencing of maltreatment and emerging sexuality is difficult to ascertain." Or this really intriguing alternate explanation for the results, from the second line of the abstract: "Nascent same-sex orientation may increase risk of maltreatment" I mean ... what should we think about the fact that the authors themselves are indicating up-front that their study may not, in fact, prove that childhood abuse makes people gay? Or their assertion that you simply cannot draw a causal relationship between these two things, only a correlative relationship? Or the fact that the study finds the percentage difference amounts to approximately 2%, which just seems pretty small? What, exactly, do you think this study is purporting to tell us? --- My friend, your critical reading skills need a lot of work. You're simply listing articles that you think confirm your priors, without actually reading them at all.
- mieses 3y agoWhy not let them try this experiment? What if it results in better mental health outcomes in Florida?
- drewbug01 3y agoExtensive evidence suggests the opposite.
- EverydayBalloon 3y ago[dead]
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