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Tesla committed fraud by “grossly” exaggerating EV range, class action says
- todaystruth 3y agoDoes anyone remember VW DieselGate the latest estimate costing VW aprox 30 Billion in fines and buybacks? Company executives, convicted of fraud to increase sales and market share. History repeats itself, now with Tesla knowingly putting out false information on mileage estimates.
- duckkg5 3y agoI'm selling mine and probably not buying any more Teslas. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes it an easy decision.
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- constantcrying 3y agoSeems like a pretty weak claim to be honest. I think it is pretty obvious that maximum range refers to maxium range under ideal conditions and that using more eletronics in the car reduces the range. Porsche isn't lying about their max speed either, just because you can't reach it with 300kg of load and bad weather.
- dragontamer 3y agohttps://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/tesla-exaggerated-ev-range-so-much-that-drivers-thought-cars-were-broken/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/tesla-exaggerate... Hypothetical Porsche didn't setup customer service teams to lie to customers on a mass-scale when the complaints came in though. We have evidence of Tesla service-cancellation teams. We have evidence of Tesla's software purposefully being inaccurate when above 50% charge, and then slowly becoming more accurate when reaching 50% or less charge. This is literally and precisely, a conspiracy perpetrated by Tesla and its executives to trick users into thinking Tesla cars have more range than they truly do.
- constantcrying 3y ago>lie to customers Is that alleged? I saw only the support telling customers that this is expected. "There is nothing wrong with your car, don't bother comming. It is expected that sometimes your car gets galf the range." is not a lie at all. It seems absolutely truthful and in fact the total opposite of exaggerating the range of the car. >We have evidence of Tesla service-cancellation teams. We have evidence of Tesla's software purposefully being inaccurate when above 50% charge, and then slowly becoming more accurate when reaching 50% or less charge. The algorithm claim seems extremely weak. Unless you can get some actual developer to testify that he was explicitly ordered to build the algorithm to report a range which he knew was impossible to reach or something similar, this seems practically irrelevant. The "service-cancellation teams" seem somewhat stranger. I don't think cancelling a service appointment is damning in any way, though.
- dragontamer 3y ago> Is that alleged? The fuel-meter is absolutely lying to you at 50%+. And the customer-service reps know it, and they even have trained responses over this conspiracy.
- constantcrying 3y agoNo, this is about the claim that representatives told customers that is normal, that their cars have lower ranges than advertised. The allegedy cospiracy would be that Tesla managment and its employees were conspiring to quickly deal with customer complaints. But what is actually illegal there? Note that the representatives were truthful when they dismissed customers. Their cars were not broken.
- dragontamer 3y agoFraud is illegal. And all fraud is ... is just lying to a degree enough that the courts care. The more-and-more it is proven that your "just lying" is a coordinated effort across your company, the more and more it looks like fraud to ... well everybody.
- MBCook 3y agoBasically every other EV tries to give a realistic range based on the temperate and your driving habits. Teslas appear to always show the EPA range at full and it sounds like they stay very optimistic for quite a long time, giving drivers a very unrealistic picture. That’s lying to the customer. They’re not trying to be useful but to look good. And in every EV range comparison I’ve ever seen, teslas are the ones that can’t meet their claimed range by a fair margin. Other brands are almost always close to accurate or in some cases do noticeably better than claimed. Only Tesla does this.
- constantcrying 3y ago>Only Tesla does this. The question is if it is illegal. I agree that reporting a maximum possible range is meaningless and might be misleading. But it is still a truthful metric making it a quite dubious legal claim. >other EV tries to give a realistic range based on the temperate and your driving habits. What I saw was specifying the test conditions under which the range was achieved and including disclaimers about possible factors which can reduce the range. Certainly more honest.
- ChrisClark 3y agoIf you want the accurate range prediction, navigate to somewhere, the prediction is always spot on to the percent. Or view the energy screen, also extremely accurate. Just don't depend on the EPA range, go with what the car calculates when you navigate and you will never have an issue.
- mplewis 3y agoSo the car only lies to you about its capabilities in some contexts? That's reassuring.
- heattemp99 3y agoThe car is optimistic in general, if you drove at city speeds on flat land. But if you tell it exactly where you're going, it calculates based on the route required. If you started at the top of a mountain pass, the more accurate range would actually show MORE miles than the general gauge. "Omg, Tesla is under promising range now!!"
- Cpoll 3y agoThese claims are always ambiguous, but there are reasonable limits. Every car has a 0-60 of 3 seconds — if it's falling off a cliff.
- jackmott42 3y agoNo, the indicated range is no maximum range under ideal conditions! Its just a mix of city and highway driving, which is better than pure highway driving. If you did ONLY low speed city driving you would do even better!
- darth_avocado 3y agoI think it’s a disingenuous to use this argument. Even if you drive at 25mph on a flat road on a day with moderate temperatures and no wind, Tesla’s range drops quite a lot more than a mile for every mile driven. Like yeah, if you’re using air conditioning and driving at 70 mph, it makes sense your range will drop more. The problem is that they’re pretending under ideal conditions, you can achieve that max range, but ideal conditions would literally require you to turn its computer off, which would not be possible to do as a consumer.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoIn my experience, a Tesla driven at 30km/h will exceed its EPA range by about 20%.
- mrguyorama 3y agodata from 3300 drivers from the very article we are discussing disagrees with your single anecdote.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoAre you looking at a different article? In my reading of the linked article there are three anecdotes of ~200 mile trips, most assuredly not done at 30km/h.
- kjksf 3y agoIt's not an anecdote, it's physics. EPA created a repeatable test where the car runs at a certain speeds, most likely without wind resistance. If you drive faster, the car will use more energy per mile therefore will have lower range than the EPA estimate. If you drive slower, they car will use less energy per mile therefore will have higher range than the EPA estimate. If there's head or side wind, the car will use more energy => lower range. Someone drove Model 3 for 606 miles, at extremely low speeds: https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/29/17405906/tesla-model-3-hypermilling-driving-record https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/29/17405906/tesla-model-3-hy...
- sdfignaionio 3y agoBad example. Porsche's performance numbers are famously conservative. Most reviewers easily exceed what is advertised. Take the 911 GT3, a car I picked at random. Car and Driver testing found the following: >The GT3 offers both a seven-speed dual-clutch automatic (a.k.a. PDK) or a six-speed manual. ... At our test track, the automatic managed a 2.7-second 60-mph time while the six-speed manual test vehicle snapped off an impressive 3.3-second run to 60 mph. https://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/911-gt3-gt3-rs https://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/911-gt3-gt3-rs Porsche advertises 0-60 times of 3.2 seconds for the PDK and 3.7 seconds for the manual. They undersold the car by 10-15%. I'm more cynical than most, but it actually isn't normal to over-promise and under-deliver to the extent Tesla does.
- Lendal 3y agoYeah, I've got no problem with the range on my Tesla. It's not difficult to achieve. Tesla gives you all the software tools you need to achieve it onboard. No, it's not the way most people would want to drive their car regularly, but it's definitely achievable if you're really in a pinch such as when we were driving through South Dakota in bad weather, very far from the next charger. It wasn't fun but we did make it, driving very carefully and doing exactly what the car said to do. That's not to say there aren't other class actions that ought to be considered, such as the whole FSD debacle. Now that is one I would definitely join.
- olliej 3y agoThis one actually seems fair - literally the only reason I ever considered Tesla was the range. The only reason I didn’t buy any other EV was because I was waiting for them to catch up to the Tesla range. Turns out that advantage was a lie - I hope their competitors also sue them.
- brianwawok 3y agohttps://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-cons... It's pretty dang high on the list in actual real world tested range.
- vel0city 3y agoI had a friend buy a Model Y Long Range (EPA 326mi) over a Mach E AWD Extended Range (EPA 270mi) mainly because the Y supposedly had better advertised range (they were similarly priced at the time). 56mi of range along with the big mental idea of a bit over 300 or under 300. In Edmonds testing the difference was really only 13mi. Really not that significant in the end.
- brianwawok 3y agoThe cars are just very different. MachE is a car with batteries. Model Y is an iPhone with wheels. Trying to buy for a single spec is a bit of crapshoot anyway. I also suspect the range gap is more than 13 in winter, as the model Y has more advanced heat pumps.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoThis suit isn't about the advertised range -- everybody advertises the EPA's rated range. The way the range is calculated does favour Teslas, but if you want that changed, you'd have to sue the EPA, not Tesla.
- mrguyorama 3y agoTesla is the only one using that "EPA advertised range" as a way of calculating your remaining range. Everyone else uses the normal, ICE car way of monitoring current driving behavior to get instantaneous efficiency, and rolling average over time multiplied by remaining "fuel" in the tank. Tesla is the only odd one out. Surely Tesla employees have driven cars before right? Surely they should understand that.
- kneel 3y agoYou can get close to EPA estimate if you drive the speed limit and avoid aggressive acceleration, something that almost no one does.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoThe EPA estimate is for 55mph driving in optimal conditions, and is fairly accurate in my experience. It's very easy to exceed EPA estimates in the city. The optimal speed to drive a Tesla is about 15mph. At that speed a Tesla will exceed EPA range by about 20%.
- asynchronous 3y agoI saw a YouTube video where some guys “maximalised” the range to see how far they could go on one charge, and by reducing weight and disabling cabin AC and going under 25 mph were able to travel I think over 600 miles. Good to know in a pinch.
- MBCook 3y agoHonestly the cabin AC makes very little difference. You’re right though, that’s how you set world records. If you drive an EV at like 10 mph you could go a pretty insane distance. But no normal person would ever do that.
- HappySweeney 3y agoI almost bought one about 5 years ago, and I'm glad I didn't. If I had, I would be upset if I wasn't able to simply return the car for a full refund, subscription features included, instead of what, $50? in any class action payout.
- adolph 3y agoThe class action payout will be more substantial than $50. Think something very valuable like an entire year of credit monitoring or $500 off your next purchase of a qualified Tesla automobile. * Some restrictions apply; not valid in CA, MT, AK; must take delivery of existing stock; not valid with other rebates and discounts; value of coupon reported as income to IRS....
- edgyquant 3y agoWhy would I want a new Tesla if they burned me on my last purchase of one? That does not sound like a good outcome nor one that punishes Tesla in anyway
- Analemma_ 3y agoTesla's display shows the EPA range. While this is probably a bad idea and that's why no other manufacturer does it, "nobody else does it" is nothing but an informal standard and it seems a bit awkward to claim the approved government standard, in use at government agencies, is so obviously wrong that it constitutes fraud.
- jackmott42 3y agoTesla display that but also displays highly accurate estimates of any trip you plan. To me the real party at fault with EV range in the USA is the EPA, which combines city and highway range in a single number, which inflates the highway number. Every EV that is sold advertises this inflated EPA number. Nobody cares about city range, just publish highway range, or both, like we do with gas cars.
- MBCook 3y agoThere are two tests you can run for the EPA. What I’ve heard is one favors EVs more and only Tesla uses those numbers for their EVs. I agree the test needs a redesign. No one drives 55, and speed has a big impact on EVs due to wind resistance.
- CameronNemo 3y agoPretty sad that we can't just drive 55 on highways. Not even trucks that are towing will drive 55 always.
- yurishimo 3y agoWhy do people need to drive slow? Sometimes you gotta get somewhere. If they are willing to pay the premium to driver faster and follow the law while doing so, what’s the harm?
- CameronNemo 3y agoThey are not willing to pay the premium, though. Tell me when highways, bridges, and streets are not paid by gas taxes -- you won't. Tell me when I can trade money for reliably sequestered CO2 -- you can't. edit: I didn't downvote them btw
- petedrexel 3y agoThe same is happening with inflation. Corps are grossly overstating the 'effects' of inflation when in reality they are price gouging simply because they can.
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- heattemp99 3y agoThe biggest fail IMO is that if you use this range constantly, you'll basically degrade the battery heavily. These top ranges require a full 100% charge (bad for the battery) and a pretty low level of discharge (bad for any weak cells in the pack). So yes in a special case you have that range. Using it often will cause faster battery pack degradation. My Chevy Volt has a 15kwh pack, and only lets you use 10kwh. The bottom 2 and the top 2 are never accessible. Which means the batteries are never depleted, and never fully charged. I bought it knowing I have 10kwh to use around town or on trips (afterward the gas engine turns on). I use those 10kwh every single day, for all 177k miles of the cars life so far. I still get the same 10.3kwh I got on day one I made my purchase decision based on. Tesla should advertise their packs the same way, explaining that the outlier 10kw are for emergencies too.
- yreg 3y agoFull 100% charge is good for the LFP batteries which have been standard in Model 3 and Model Y since 2021. Indeed, Tesla recommends to charge to 100% at least once per week. https://insideevs.com/news/557527/tesla-model3-lfp-charging-recommendations/ https://insideevs.com/news/557527/tesla-model3-lfp-charging-... edit: read response below
- TheRealSteel 3y agoAs far as I know this isn't true, LFP batteries degrade more when charged to 100% than if they're charged to less, but the remaining charge can't be estimated accurately unless you do: https://www.torquenews.com/15475/battery-charging-behavior-tesla-recommends-charging-lfp-models-100-key-voltage-0 https://www.torquenews.com/15475/battery-charging-behavior-t... https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/comments/yh5ts5/m3_lfp_batteries_degrade_faster_than_nmc/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/comments/yh5ts5/m3_lfp_... (They still degrade much less than the other kind of battery Tesla uses, however).
- yreg 3y agoInteresting, it seems they want people to charge to 100% so they can precisely estimate the state of charge on the road. Still, as you say it doesn't seem LFPs get degraded that much when sitting at full charge. https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-puzzling-reason-why-tesla-misleadingly-recommends-charging-the-lfp-batteries-to-100-187075.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-puzzling-reason-why-t...
- itsoktocry 3y agoLots of people here missing a part of the issue: Tesla receives carbon credits based on the range of the vehicle. If that range was exaggerated, they defrauded the government.
- TheAlchemist 3y agoThat's interesting ! Could you elaborate please ? Or give some links relevant to how the carbon credits are calculated.
- s1artibartfast 3y agoAre carbon credits based on the EPA certified range or Real World Range accounting for aggressive driving? I'm skeptical that it would be the second
- machdiamonds 3y agoLots of people are missing that Tesla doesn't do EPA tests, the EPA does.
- sschueller 3y agoBut why is the Tesla EPA range so high when all other EVs have such conservative EPA ranges?
- bdcravens 3y agoMy EV6 shows me a range that seems to be based on recent driving. When I've been conservative, the range is high; when I've been driving sportily, the opposite. Does Tesla do the same?
- bdamm 3y agoIt does, but only once you put a destination into the navigator. At that point, the car will tell you how much power remains at the end of the trip (and for a return trip) and that number in my experience is always highly accurate.
- kyriakos 3y agoIoniq 5 seems to do the same. If I keep speeding overtaking etc range goes down. If I drive conservatively I actually gain range while driving.
- bdcravens 3y agoWhich makes sense since the EV6 and the Ioniq 5 are pretty much the same car.
- goalonetwo 3y agoI always found it interesting that almost every EV in real-life exceeds their EPA range, while Tesla in real-life cannot even get close. I would not be surprised that Tesla over-optimized everything with the EPA test as an utility function. (reminds anyone of the VW scandal?) https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/
- frumper 3y agoDid you read the link? 12/37 exceed their range and Porsche is half those. Remove 1 very high end maker and you're at 6/31 exceed. Not exactly "almost everyone"
- user_named 3y agoTesla doesn't have high end cars? Right, their quality is terrible
- frumper 3y agoTesla may want to see themselves as high end, but the Model 3/Y are around the average cost of a new car. That is less than half what a starting Porsche EV costs.
- 40four 3y agoThis isn’t the title of the article, please follow the guidelines :) No need to editorialize.
- Delphiki 3y agoAnecdata, but a few weeks ago I drove from LA to SF in my 2018 Model 3 (long range, single motor). It has a 75 kWh battery pack, my drive was 417 miles, and I drove 70 mph for probably 90-95% of the trip. I used a total of 95 kWh, which equates to ~329 miles on a full charge (100-0%). My efficiency was 226 Wh/mi. There are absolutely other times when I'll get substantially less range, but it's understandably when I'm driving faster of more aggressive, or it's colder outside, or it's primarily uphill, or there's a strong headwind, etc. There are a lot of different factors that can affect a car's range (regardless if it's an EV or ICE), and it seems like Tesla has decided to show the EPA range on the dashboard because there's no way they could magically know where you're driving if it's not entered in the navigation system. Once you start navigation however, it's able to factor in all these externalities and give a very accurate estimate. On the first leg of the above trip, I arrived to charge within 3% of Tesla's estimate.
- abduhl 3y agoMy iPhone can send me alerts that I’m going to be late to work based on its tracking of my daily commute and you’re telling me that a machine that is constantly connected to a GPS network, sending data back to home base, and (almost?) capable of driving itself has “no way” of “magically knowing where you’re driving” unless you tell it? If only they could use some of that data and processing power to back out someone’s standard commute, driving behavior, and local temperature.
- addisonl 3y agoOn top of that, my car can remember the MPGs I got for the last tank (and every tank before that) and estimates my range off of that. Apparently that’s “magic” according to the comment you replied to. Tesla apologists always have some excuse.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoThat's exactly what the Tesla does. When I get into the car at 8AM, the car assumes I want to drive to my partner's workplace, and gives me directions to get there, taking into account current traffic and weather conditions, and a reliable estimate of what the battery will be when I get there.
- Sodman 3y agoThe issue is that the number displayed on the dash can be toggled between "% battery remaining" or "miles remaining". The "Miles remaining" is actually "EPA rated miles x % battery remaining", and NOT "miles remaining based on last 10 miles driven, or current navigation destination". If they removed the 'Miles remaining' number and only showed a percentage, you would end up having to do the exact same conversion in your head anyways. "Oh I have 43% remaining of my 330 mile battery, how much is that?" so this is really just a quick shortcut. Tesla has a separate screen with very clear range estimates that the user can toggle (based on last n miles or based on current exact 'instant' reading). In addition, when navigating to a destination, the nav tells you the estimated battery % on arrival, which is also based on current driving and is generally quite accurate. In addition, it will tell you during & after the trip exactly why the estimated and actual range differed. Eg "0.5% extra battery used due to a 5.6mph headwind, 2% extra battery used by driving over 70mph", etc. Having a count-down 'Miles remaining' on the dashboard doesn't always make sense, particularly when you haven't entered a destination, or if you're switching between highways and back rounds a bunch. Either way, it's never going to actually be accurate down to the last mile. In reality, you just have to know that the miles on the dashboard are "EPA miles", meaning if you're driving on a flat surface in good conditions at ~55mph, that's what you'll get. If you change your speed, or conditions get worse, you know you'll need to adjust it in your head (or use the dedicated in-car screen to automatically figure it out for you!).
- GuB-42 3y agoI don't know how it is done with EVs but my gas car usually underestimates my range despite me burning more fuel than what's written on the brochure. It is common sense to take conservative estimates when you are missing data. The range indicator on the dashboard is a "will I make it" indicator. To help me decide if I need to plan a refuel/recharge. I don't want a best case scenario, not even an average, I want something like a 90 percentile. In good conditions, the "enhanced" estimate (with nav) should be more than the baseline, as some of conservative estimates can now be replaced with more accurate data. Good thing Tesla is not doing airplanes.
- xracy 3y agoSo, I will say that this has negatively impacted me, and I have since sold my Tesla, and consider this to be a bad business practice that they should get fined a lot for, and probably just stop doing this immediately... That being said, in the closest thing I will ever muster to a defense of Tesla... I think the thing that the articles might be missing on this, is this: Would people have adopted electric cars that work for them in all of their usecases, if Tesla hadn't lied about range to alleviate fears of range anxiety? People overly sample issues with electric cars based on how far they can go, without ever acknowledging the part about them not actually needing the full range of the car. And Teslas still work for the majority of long drives as well, just with more frequent stops than they should have.
- Geee 3y agoIt should probably show "range-range", i.e the range of minimum and maximum range with the current battery status. For example: "100-300 miles", rather than "300 miles" which it currently does.
- haswell 3y agoA lot of the comments here are focusing on Tesla defaulting to the EPA range, and that there are a lot of factors involved. This isn't the whole story. From the linked lawsuit text: > Tesla developed algorithms for estimating the range of its electric vehicles, which would display to drivers “rosy” projections for the distance the vehicle could travel on a full battery. However, once the battery reached 50% capacity, the algorithm would change and begin showing the driver more realistic projections. This would cause the estimated range of the vehicle to fluctuate drastically from that point. According to the lawsuit, this was something Musk asked for: > The decision to include these algorithms to present inflated range estimates came directly from Tesla’s chief executive officer, Elon Musk. As the Reuters report indicates, “Elon [and Tesla] wanted to show good range numbers when fully charged....When you buy a car off the lot seeing 350-mile, 400-mile range, it makes you feel good." Hard coding a range algorithm to make new customers "feel good" is pretty on brand for Elon. When coupled with the establishment of a dedicated "Diversion Team" to cancel service appointments from complaining customers (because they already knew nothing could be "fixed"), this is all pretty scummy and lends legitimacy to the lawsuit IMO.
- lolsal 3y agoI feel like I have a mild case of schadenfreude for all of these Tesla mental gymnastics. All of this is one of the reason I am absolutely not an early adopter of technology. I am looking forward to when EVs are equitable range, quick charging and ubiquitous fueling stations comparable to gas guzzlers. I never have to think about things like whether or not it is cold, I’m going up hills, or any of this other stuff. I just drive and when my tank gets low I pull into a gas station and fill up in a few minutes and move on with my day. The only time I have budgeted my gas on a trip is through long expanses of desert driving where stations are far apart. These are not mental trade offs I’m willing to make. I owe a debt to the early adopters who sacrifice their sanity for alpha/beta testing this kind of tech. A solemn and respectful nod from me to those that have lost their lives due to this technology.
- vel0city 3y ago> I just drive and when my tank gets low I pull into a gas station and fill up in a few minutes and move on with my day. In my ICE, I have to think "dang, getting low on gas, I better leave a bit earlier to make sure I can get gas next time" and then take time out of my day every other week to get gas. In my EV, I practically never stop at all because I leave the house every day with a full tank.
- lolsal 3y agoThat’s awesome! I guess you live in a house? Or at least a place that you can park your car and charge every night? And drive 30-40 miles a day? Lots of folks don’t have those privileges.
- vel0city 3y agoThe majority of US households do. It's not like it's some massive outlier. Especially with people who commute to work by car instead of living in denser areas where car ownership rates are lower. Lots of people always point to this idea that charging a car is a huge pain point compared to just pumping gas, but the majority of commuter cars would have the exact same experience as me. For most commuters they spend more time pumping gas than they would waiting for their cars to charge, their travel costs fluctuate more, and they have to think more about buying gas than if they just had an EV for their commuter car.
- kasdi 3y ago@dang Editorialized title.
- kasdi 3y ago@dang Editorialized title that tries to manifest an allegation. The only thing missing now is all caps… “X KILLED Y by using Z!!!! (reports say)”
- CyberDildonics 3y agoIt's the exact title of the article.
- kasdi 3y agoNo, the exact title is ‘Angry Tesla customers sue firm over “grossly” exaggerated EV range’ There’s a difference between “sued” and “committed fraud”.
- erulabs 3y agoI get about 230 miles of range in our model 3, my wife gets about 270. Head winds actually effect range far more than you’d expect, and the difference between 65 and 75 is dramatic. There is a reason Teslas have no door handles for aerodynamics, and it’s not because they secretly have shitty range. It’s a bit of a stretch to say Tesla lied to customers here. I’d probably say Tesla didn’t carefully enough explain the laws of physics to uninformed customers is more accurate a statement.
- machdiamonds 3y agoIt's very easy to see how favorably or unfavorably Tesla's claimed range compares to competitors based on independent tests of multiple EVs in the same conditions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LWL90paufE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LWL90paufE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynCaTDR4rDQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynCaTDR4rDQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFB6hsYXDiA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFB6hsYXDiA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvwOa7TCd1E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvwOa7TCd1E Spoiler alert: Tesla models fare about as well, if not better, than their EV cousins, hitting around 80% of the stated range in the wild.
- flaxton 3y agoElectric car range varies widely depending on how you use it and conditions, regardless of which car brand or model you use. Our family has a Nissan Leaf and a Tesla Model 3 and both ranges vary widely depending on how you drive. Driving at 80mph on a highway will greatly reduce the range of any EV, compared to 45 mph. Using high-draw features like heating (also depends on the type of heating used) will also drain the battery faster. Cold temperatures also reduce range, but it depends on the EV. Teslas cool or heat the battery to keep an optimal battery temperature. Nissan Leaf uses air cooling, which means repeated supercharging in hot weather overheats the battery, so they cannot make long trips. So Teslas are less affected by hot and cold temperatures than some other EVs. So it depends on the EV. EV users need to educate themselves on how electric cars operate regarding range. It's not unique to Tesla by any means.
- DANmode 3y agoIt's not exclusive to EVs either. ICE, and hybrid ICE, can all be more efficient depending how well you match its optimal driving profile.
- orasis 3y agoWhat I really want is the FSD class action.