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Comma 3X
- EmmEff 3y agoTres commas?
- wayvey 3y agoNice reference, I assume it's about the show Sillicon Valley? Was it a branded bottle of Tequila? Actually looks like some company is now actually selling it
- scrlk 3y agoTres Comas was the tequila company owned by Russ Hanneman in the show. For those who have not watched Silicon Valley, Russ Hanneman was based off Mark Cuban.
- Reubend 3y agoIt's a very interesting product, but I'm not brave enough to install this in my own car.
- ehnto 3y agoI can't believe you're allowed to. Are these illegal? Some states must have almost schizophrenic laws. Tires an inch too wide? Get that deathtrap off the road. Bleeding edge third party sensor and control package for autonomous driving? What could go wrong!
- happytiger 3y agoSo the same projects that come from manufacturers are ok? But third party systems built by our best and brightest are bad? Or is all driving augmentation bad? Because honestly, based on the data, humans are frequently worse drivers than the absolute worst of these systems.
- ehnto 3y agoI didn't say any of that. My comment is about how surprising it is something like this might be legal when other, very benign modifications are not. That was all. A whole lot more can go wrong with something like this, versus say an aftermarket exhaust. The regulations are not hard to know, but something like Comma is a little bit in front of the regulations, and so it poses risks we have yet to discover and cater for in said regs (sensors must be weatherproof might be a good example of a good reg). The same is true for OEMs, Tesla and friends were bringing out features faster than regulations can describe if they are safe or not. This is not true for other parts of vehicles, we understand suspension safety very well so just following the regulations is enough to stay safe. In general, unapproved vehicle modifications are a risk as they haven't gone through the same safetey and emissions appratus as approved parts and OEMs have. How risky is the variable, tires too wide, not very, full vehicle control change, pretty risky. I hold that opinion as an avid car enthusiast, some stuff we shouldn't fuck with unless we get it engineered and signed off as safe enough to join the driving public (and I have done this for my suspension modifications).
- happytiger 3y agoFair enough. Sorry if I misread your comment!
- ehnto 3y agoNo stress, I can see how we'd get mixed up, it's a pretty heated topic!
- wiseowise 3y ago> So the same projects that come from manufacturers are ok? But third party systems built by our best and brightest are bad? If only there was some kind of a set of rules that would define what is “ok”, it could “regulate” both manufacturers and third parties. We could call them REGULATIONS.
- threeseed 3y agoThere really needs to be more regulation with products like this. As a start transparent disclosure of their safety record, a restriction on shipping the product to countries where such devices are not legal, clarity on how the device behaves under adverse conditions e.g. rain/snow etc. Comma selling this product like it's some car accessory looks pretty reckless to me.
- latchkey 3y agoI'm pretty impressed we haven't heard about more crashes... https://www.reddit.com/r/Comma_ai/comments/u9o1mm/my_first_accident_with_comma_three/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Comma_ai/comments/u9o1mm/my_first_a...
- tjpnz 3y agoThe kind of person who would buy this would know more about its limitations than your average Tesla owner.
- latchkey 3y agoWhat if I buy a used car that has it in it already?
- timfsu 3y agoIt's the kind of thing the owner would probably keep for themselves when selling the car. It's fairly easy to uninstall - just unplug and remove a windshield sticker.
- ahahahahah 3y agoEh, maybe a little. But I think most people on this website could buy this but they are clearly incapable of understanding the limits of Tesla's shitty AI. The reasons we haven't heard much about accidents with this are (1) they have like orders of magnitude less users than Tesla and (2) nobody gives a shit about this little company and so media doesn't rush to talk about it.
- Rebelgecko 3y agoWhat's the difference between this and the previous version? Edit: looks like no more user upgradable storage via m.2, but it's a bit cheaper. It's also no longer necessary for some vehicles to have a Raspberry Pi sitting between the car and the comma
- not_your_vase 3y agoDoesn't seem to work with Teslas, thought it would be an interesting thing to turn on both at the same time: battle of the robo-drivers. Missed opportunity, if you ask me.
- SparkyMcUnicorn 3y agoThere's _some_ community support: https://tinkla.us https://tinkla.us
- sturza 3y agohttps://tinkla.us/t/tinkla_buddy https://tinkla.us/t/tinkla_buddy "It is so amazingly powerfule that I can not release the source code, nor can I give you hints on how it works. As a cybersecurity expert (in my real life), I can assure you I take security very seriously. So a no is a NO."
- not_your_vase 3y agoWhat can I say? That was persuasive, I'm convinced.
- timfsu 3y agoI have the original Comma 3 in my car (2019 Acura RDX), and it's pretty game-changing for long drives. The car already has adaptive cruise control and lane-keep-assist, but you need to keep your hands on the wheel. With the Comma, I can set it up on most of the roads I drive (local or highway) and it'll keep me going at the desired speed in the center of the lane (up to a certain max turning torque, which is a limitation on the Acura LKAS system - if you're in the Bay Area, it handles 101 just fine but will struggle on the 280). I've logged about 3k miles of autonomous driving at this point and wouldn't hesitate to recommend it if your car supports it, with the understanding that it's a limited system and you still have to pay attention the entire time. Unfortunately, it seems like a lot of the newer cars have tighter security around CAN bus communication, so it may not be easy for Comma to continue to do their thing.
- SparkyMcUnicorn 3y agoIt's also notable to point out that OpenPilot is way smoother/better than stock LKAS (and otherwise), and getting better with each release (based on personal experience in Toyota and Honda/Acura cars).
- stavros 3y agoIs there any reason for CAN bus security, other than preventing people from modding their cars?
- TylerE 3y agoI'd imagine the anti-tampering clause (it's a felony!) of the Clean Air Act is one reason.
- fragmede 3y agoThe wiring for the CAN bus can be made to be accessible from the outside of the car with a bit of force, which means that's all a thief needs to do to steal your car. Yank a headlight out until the wiring harness comes with it, making the CAN bus accessible, install the car stealing modchip onto the bus, unlock the doors, get inside, start the engine, and drive off. https://www.autoblog.com/amp/2023/04/18/vehicle-headlight-can-bus-injection-theft-method-update/ https://www.autoblog.com/amp/2023/04/18/vehicle-headlight-ca...
- fouc 3y agoWow I wasn't aware comma.ai came this far. I also wasn't aware that modern cars provided interfaces to steering/braking. Handy that!
- agilob 3y agoNo EU distribution?
- razemio 3y agoThey ship worldwide. Have bought 2 devices already within the EU. Was no issue at all besides import tax.
- countrymile 3y agoAre they legal to use in the UK?
- edg5000 3y agoI would not be surprised if this would eventually be heavily regulated. It is a bit of a quiet before the storm perhaps. If you look at how heavily medical devices are regulated (I worked in medical devices) I would not be surprised.
- AlotOfReading 3y agoEurope already has fairly high standards for ADAS performance to be road-legal. The Comma units don't even attempt to meet that standard. It's possible those requirements don't apply due to some technicality or that installing uncertified safety critical features in your car is perfectly legal, but I wouldn't bet money on either.
- razemio 3y agoNo, I think there is no country in Europe where those devices are legal. It is just difficult to prove, that you where actually using them. They are not illegal to have and I think (haven't checked!!) it is allowed to record your CAN while driving.
- consp 3y agoUsually there is no restriction in custom supplied components, which would void repairs by third parties (i.e. you). In most environments you are whoever not allowed to drive with hands of the steering wheel or if not mentioned explicitly you are not allowed to create unsafe conditions (which where I live means you have to be in control, even with driving aides) Placing a can monitoring and loggin tool on the obd port is perfectly legal afaik. Sneeky spyware installing insurers do it all the time. For manipulation via can: ymmv depending on what modifications need to be applied and what security is broken (if any) and you should ask your insurer what they cover. The insurance part is my biggest concern.
- redox99 3y agoIt says 360 degrees vision with 3 cameras. How does that work? It doesn't show anywhere where the cameras go. I don't understand how you can get 360 degrees just from a device on your windshield. I find the website so lackluster. There isn't even a picture of what it looks like from the other side.
- stavros 3y agoOne on the right, one on the left, one behind, all pointing 120 degrees relative to each other?
- unixhero 3y agoProblem is, as a private user I don't want it. Now they have support for vehicles by MAN, and that cam become an explosive growth market far them. Strangely they walked back storage space. There used to be a 1 or 2 terabyte ssd/m2 storage option.
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