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Counterterrorism internet surveillance is being retargeted at sex workers

154 points by mathandstuff 3y ago

scrum-treats 3y ago
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- gagged_s_poster 3y ago
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  - foota 3y ago
    I don't think this is factual, see: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/religious-tradition/evangelical-protestant/views-about-homosexuality/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-stu... or the current controversy in the methodist church as an example.
- anaisbetts 3y ago
  Who could've guessed that when we give law enforcement or the military leeway in violating civil rights in the name of a specific societal concern, they will take that power and start broadening its scope
  - throwbadubadu 3y ago
    As always, first promise promise only for the biggest crimes, terrorist et al.. then suddenly it used for someone consuming weed. And then we are all excited to see what happens when the next ruler with dictatorship ambitions comes into place. All for the good, "I had a bad feeling when voting for it but it was against the bad guys, right?" blablahblah, "noone could have ever expected it", "why do people always assume it goes that way" - bah.
- slashdev 3y ago
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- BasedAnon 3y ago
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  - pestatije 3y ago
    they need all the support we can give them
    - BasedAnon 3y ago
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      - zer8k 3y ago
        Their wages should be tied to inflation, certainly.
      - Sabinus 3y ago
        This might be a surprise to you, but many non US western countries have legalised sex work.
  - racked 3y ago
    Why?
fwungy 3y ago
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fwungy 3y ago
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beebmam 3y ago
> “I fought the worst of the worst: ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban,” Skull Games president and former Delta Force soldier Jeff Tiegs has said. “But the adversary I despise the most are human traffickers.” Tiegs has told interviewers that he takes “counterterrorism / counterinsurgency principles” and applies them to these targets. I agree with this. Human trafficking is a nice way of saying slavery. Human traffickers are some of the worst criminals on earth and I'm very happy that the counterintelligence techniques we've developed are used against them. > The attempt to merge computerized counterinsurgency techniques with right-wing evangelism has left some Skull Games participants uncomfortable. One experienced attendee of the January 2023 Skull Games was taken aback by an abundance of prayer circles and paucity of formal training. However, this is cultish stuff. It seems to me that Tiegs' statement above is cover for what seems to be a religio-political organization with overarching goals. It co-opts the good intentions of decent human beings who oppose slavery and sexual abuse into a situation that seems pretty exploitative on its own. Despicable.
- Natsu 3y ago
  This article is weird. It goes on an on about things like QAnon, 9/11, etc. that are simply not connected to anything and exist only to flavor the article. It says this harms people... but provides one random quote and no real substantiation of that. And the 'harm' seems to be that... someone might get punished for breaking the law? It's also not clear what they think the solution is here, ignore a child being prostituted online because they might not be a sex slave to a cartel? Sure, advertising under certain emojis or whatever may not be "statistically significant" according to some report in terms of whether someone is trafficked, but if there's a child prostitute, maybe it's not a bad thing if someone helps the police go make sure she's not literally a child sex slave?
- Hizonner 3y ago
  > Human traffickers are some of the worst criminals on earth ... which is why it's so valuable to some people to expand the definition of "human trafficking" beyond ACTUAL human trafficking. Right at the moment, if you hear the phrase "human trafficking" in some random place, especially used by somebody who's asking for money, power, or support of whatever kind, there seems to be about a 95 percent chance it's being used to refer to something that is NOT human trafficking as understood by normal people.
Animats 3y ago
Retarget them at religious pedophiles. The biggest pedophile problems seem to come from religious officials with the backing of their organization. There's been Catholic priest scandal after Catholic priest scandal.[1] The Boy Scouts of America turned out to be a nest of pedophile scout leaders.[2] Brooklyn's haredi community [3] and ultra-orthodox in Israel [4] had their own organized pedophile rings. Quit worrying about sex workers and porno. It's those well-organized religious conspiracies with their claim to moral authority that are the real problem. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_c... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boy-scouts-america-have-pedophile-epidemic-are-hiding-hundreds-its-n1039661 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boy-scouts-america-have... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_cases_in_Brooklyn%27s_Haredi_community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_cases_in_Brooklyn... [4] https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/22-haredi-sex-offenders-arrested-in-night-raid-following-undercover-investigation-485356 https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/22-haredi-sex-offenders-ar...
- rayiner 3y ago
  Any evidence for your implication that sexual abuse is more common in religious organizations than secular organizations that deal with children? There’s about 15,000 sexual abuse complaints every year in schools: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/15/sexual-violence-reports-rise-drastically-at-schools-education-department-data-shows-429663 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/15/sexual-violence-rep.... Every year CPS agencies receive 4.4 million referrals for child mistreatment, about 10% of which relate to sexual abuse: https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubpdfs/canstats.pdf https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubpdfs/canstats.pdf. About 1 in 6 of the referrals overall are substantiated, suggesting 50,000+ child substantiated sexual abuse complaints annually. For comparison the John Jay report found about 11,000 sexual abuse allegations against catholic priests over a 50+ year period: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report. There are estimated to be about 12,500 victims in the Boy Scouts in total: https://abcnews.go.com/US/12000-boy-scout-members-victims-sexual-abuse-expert/story?id=62573567 https://abcnews.go.com/US/12000-boy-scout-members-victims-se.... That is not to say religious organizations should be off the hook for failing to deal with the pedophiles in their ranks. But estimates suggest 1-5% of the male population is pedophiles. The evidence suggests that abuse is actually a cross-cutting problem. It arises whenever you put adults in proximity to children. Why focus only on the religious organizations?
ChoHag 3y ago
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154 points by mathandstuff 3y ago

scrum-treats 3y ago

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gagged_s_poster 3y ago
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- foota 3y ago
  I don't think this is factual, see: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/religious-tradition/evangelical-protestant/views-about-homosexuality/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-stu... or the current controversy in the methodist church as an example.
anaisbetts 3y ago
Who could've guessed that when we give law enforcement or the military leeway in violating civil rights in the name of a specific societal concern, they will take that power and start broadening its scope
- throwbadubadu 3y ago
  As always, first promise promise only for the biggest crimes, terrorist et al.. then suddenly it used for someone consuming weed. And then we are all excited to see what happens when the next ruler with dictatorship ambitions comes into place. All for the good, "I had a bad feeling when voting for it but it was against the bad guys, right?" blablahblah, "noone could have ever expected it", "why do people always assume it goes that way" - bah.
slashdev 3y ago
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- deleted 3y ago
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BasedAnon 3y ago
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- pestatije 3y ago
  they need all the support we can give them
  - BasedAnon 3y ago
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    - zer8k 3y ago
      Their wages should be tied to inflation, certainly.
    - Sabinus 3y ago
      This might be a surprise to you, but many non US western countries have legalised sex work.
- racked 3y ago
  Why?

fwungy 3y ago

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fwungy 3y ago

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beebmam 3y ago

> “I fought the worst of the worst: ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban,” Skull Games president and former Delta Force soldier Jeff Tiegs has said. “But the adversary I despise the most are human traffickers.” Tiegs has told interviewers that he takes “counterterrorism / counterinsurgency principles” and applies them to these targets. I agree with this. Human trafficking is a nice way of saying slavery. Human traffickers are some of the worst criminals on earth and I'm very happy that the counterintelligence techniques we've developed are used against them. > The attempt to merge computerized counterinsurgency techniques with right-wing evangelism has left some Skull Games participants uncomfortable. One experienced attendee of the January 2023 Skull Games was taken aback by an abundance of prayer circles and paucity of formal training. However, this is cultish stuff. It seems to me that Tiegs' statement above is cover for what seems to be a religio-political organization with overarching goals. It co-opts the good intentions of decent human beings who oppose slavery and sexual abuse into a situation that seems pretty exploitative on its own. Despicable.

Natsu 3y ago
This article is weird. It goes on an on about things like QAnon, 9/11, etc. that are simply not connected to anything and exist only to flavor the article. It says this harms people... but provides one random quote and no real substantiation of that. And the 'harm' seems to be that... someone might get punished for breaking the law? It's also not clear what they think the solution is here, ignore a child being prostituted online because they might not be a sex slave to a cartel? Sure, advertising under certain emojis or whatever may not be "statistically significant" according to some report in terms of whether someone is trafficked, but if there's a child prostitute, maybe it's not a bad thing if someone helps the police go make sure she's not literally a child sex slave?
Hizonner 3y ago
> Human traffickers are some of the worst criminals on earth ... which is why it's so valuable to some people to expand the definition of "human trafficking" beyond ACTUAL human trafficking. Right at the moment, if you hear the phrase "human trafficking" in some random place, especially used by somebody who's asking for money, power, or support of whatever kind, there seems to be about a 95 percent chance it's being used to refer to something that is NOT human trafficking as understood by normal people.

Animats 3y ago

Retarget them at religious pedophiles. The biggest pedophile problems seem to come from religious officials with the backing of their organization. There's been Catholic priest scandal after Catholic priest scandal.[1] The Boy Scouts of America turned out to be a nest of pedophile scout leaders.[2] Brooklyn's haredi community [3] and ultra-orthodox in Israel [4] had their own organized pedophile rings. Quit worrying about sex workers and porno. It's those well-organized religious conspiracies with their claim to moral authority that are the real problem. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_c... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boy-scouts-america-have-pedophile-epidemic-are-hiding-hundreds-its-n1039661 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boy-scouts-america-have... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_cases_in_Brooklyn%27s_Haredi_community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_cases_in_Brooklyn... [4] https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/22-haredi-sex-offenders-arrested-in-night-raid-following-undercover-investigation-485356 https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/22-haredi-sex-offenders-ar...

rayiner 3y ago
Any evidence for your implication that sexual abuse is more common in religious organizations than secular organizations that deal with children? There’s about 15,000 sexual abuse complaints every year in schools: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/15/sexual-violence-reports-rise-drastically-at-schools-education-department-data-shows-429663 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/15/sexual-violence-rep.... Every year CPS agencies receive 4.4 million referrals for child mistreatment, about 10% of which relate to sexual abuse: https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubpdfs/canstats.pdf https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubpdfs/canstats.pdf. About 1 in 6 of the referrals overall are substantiated, suggesting 50,000+ child substantiated sexual abuse complaints annually. For comparison the John Jay report found about 11,000 sexual abuse allegations against catholic priests over a 50+ year period: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report. There are estimated to be about 12,500 victims in the Boy Scouts in total: https://abcnews.go.com/US/12000-boy-scout-members-victims-sexual-abuse-expert/story?id=62573567 https://abcnews.go.com/US/12000-boy-scout-members-victims-se.... That is not to say religious organizations should be off the hook for failing to deal with the pedophiles in their ranks. But estimates suggest 1-5% of the male population is pedophiles. The evidence suggests that abuse is actually a cross-cutting problem. It arises whenever you put adults in proximity to children. Why focus only on the religious organizations?

ChoHag 3y ago

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