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Discord haters look, it is simple. Until Discord appeared we had Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc I've been using those for like 10 years almost

Discord haters look, it is simple. Until Discord appeared we had Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc I've been using those for like 10 years almost everyday They had voice chat, some had viable text chat, etc, etc. And then Discord appeared which had: Voice Chat, Good text chat (images, code snippets, emojis, reactions, etc) Streaming Video (!!) File share Robust bot integration Lack of security problem unlike the self-hosted alternatives have. This one is important in gaming communities in e.g MMORPG games cuz there's nothing better than being DDoSd cuz you left team or because you talked to somebody on wrong TeamSpeak server 5 months ago :) Push2Talk - this is also important, I dont understand how e.g Teams dont have this shit. Imagine you're working on remote with kids in the background - having an ability to push button and talk is really useful! So you don't have constantly mute/unmute yourself! Gamers have been doing it for over 2 decades but with the parents in the background instead of kids One account between all servers with ability to customize your identity All of that in one solution. That won its market. Provide something as innovative and robust as Discord and people may consider switching. __________________ I know that IRC's simplicity may be beautiful for hacker's mind, but it doesn't solve my problems nor make my life easier, so I'm not going to use it over Discord.

nottorp 3y ago
Let's start with one account between all servers. And one censoring authority. Nope, not a good idea.
- tester756 3y ago
  > Let's start with one account between all servers. Go ahead and create 1 account per 1 server, nothing prevents you. I've actually been doing it for some time - school (1 server) & private discord account (like 10 servers). >And one censoring authority. Sure, that's valid concern, I respect it. For me it's a trade off.
  - nottorp 3y ago
    > Go ahead and create 1 account per 1 server, nothing prevents you. You think? I still have to use the official client to log on to all of them so they can just ban all if their AI thinks I'm a communist pedophile terrorist.
    - tester756 3y ago
      Yes, I think, because I used to run 2 accounts for a few years. >I still have to use the official client to log on to all of them so they can just ban all if their AI thinks I'm a communist pedophile terrorist. so... what? Your country can cause you a lot of harm too if they think you're pedophile terrorist. That's edge case, not something that happens to 99.99% of the users.
      - nottorp 3y ago
        A lot of countries tend to have some sort of due process, as opposed to a chat server's "AI".
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        yard2010 3y ago
        I don't know where you live but in my country the best you can get is a tough bureaucracy process that most people can't afford that hardly can be called "due process"
    - pard68 3y ago
      I have two Discord accounts. The desktop app supports this and lets you log into multiple accounts at once. So I doubt it's against TOS.
      - Dah00n 3y ago
        But if one does something that breaks ToS then both will be banned, no?
  - fruitreunion1 3y ago
    >Go ahead and create 1 account per 1 server, nothing prevents you. Doesn't having to give up a phone number for each account (and you can't use the same number on different accounts) make it difficult? (unless you haven't had to, maybe my browser is suspicious, but it's just regular old Chromium). Would like to do this so that I can separate IRL/weak pseudonym (from random people in servers, obviously you can't be truly anonymous on Discord)
    - robinsonb5 3y ago
      I think that depends largely - if not entirely - on the particular server? I'm on 14 servers and haven't given Discord my phone number - but there's one server I refused to join because my phone number would have been required, which is a hard nope from me.
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
    Actually, if a previous account happened to have a phone number attached, and you're asked for one again when making a second account, then provide the same number, Discord will automatically ban both accounts with no way to appeal. Which happened to me because I apparently had an old account I had forgotten about. So now I need a new phone number if I want to use Discord.
    - jowea 3y ago
      I've heard of that, but I think the rule changed, Discord even includes an account switcher now.
      - j45 3y ago
        Teenage style gossip mills on discord rumours is a great way to have a smashing chat experience
    - judge2020 3y ago
      > Actually, if a previous account happened to have a phone number attached, and you're asked for one again when making a second account, then provide the same number, Discord will automatically ban both accounts with no way to appeal. You left out that it just bans you on any servers that you're already banned on. It doesn't deactivate/suspend your entire discord account for trying to reuse a phone number for servers that require verification.
      - mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
        Nope, it irrevocably banned both accounts from even being able to sign in.
- imtringued 3y ago
  I have so many discord accounts because they won't let you change your avatar based on the server. Yeah there is a way to register accounts without phone number verification. I did it four times. The trick is that they block you if you do anything suspicious and any account created under this 'suspicious' state demands phone verification. I don't know how they identify you, but you must succeed with your first try. So your best bet is to find an email provider that is trusted by discord that does not need a phone number.
  - Jiig 3y ago
    I think they added it pretty recently, but you can change your whole profile per server now if you have nitro https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4409388345495-Server-Profiles https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4409388345495-...
gertrunde 3y ago
Apparently Teams does have push-to-talk, although it's not switched on by default. [ https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/muting-and-unmuting-your-mic-in-microsoft-teams-17886394-9a9a-4f04-b4cc-e46589408b28 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/muting-and-unmuti... ]
- tester756 3y ago
  Interesting, I do wonder whether this is configurable so you can use it on e.g mouse scroll button
- QuackyTheDuck 3y ago
  Unfortunately, this only works unless you have a textfield focused or something similar that "consumes" your keyboard input. At least in my experience, it's quite unreliable.
  - j45 3y ago
    Surprising there isn’t a teams addon
  - mouse_ 3y ago
    lol I bet this is a problem caused by UWP "security" same way Wayland broke push to talk for ages in Linux desktops (incl. in Discord).
TheFreim 3y ago
> Lack of security problem unlike the self-hosted alternatives have. This is a major issue. Back in the day TeamSpeak was the primary mode of communication for game servers of a certain kind. Every game server had an associated TS for offering support and many/most of the teams had their own. This was a disaster with people's IP addresses being leaked all over the place, if you joined a server and associated yourself with your in game name there was a high chance that you'd get DDoS'd offline at an important moment. Switching to discord makes this much less likely.
Razengan 3y ago
I get what you're saying, I like Discord, but I wish there was an ecosystem of custom (less bloaty) apps to connect to Discord with, like IRC had.
- 418tpot 3y ago
  Except it will never exist for discord because discord is a proprietary communication service instead of an open protocol. At best it can provide an API, but that can be broken or shut down on a whim. This is why it's a much better use of time for developers to make things like Matrix clients match feature parity to discord rather than attempt to give discord the client diversity of Matrix/IRC.
TacticalCoder 3y ago
> Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc Looks to me that Discord went after those and not after IRC.
robinsonb5 3y ago
I don't hate Discord, but I do hate that it's being used in contexts where a good old fashioned web forum would make more sense.
- WesolyKubeczek 3y ago
  It’s also like Slack but very noisy. I don’t get its appeal at all.
  - pynappo 3y ago
    discord makes hosting a real-time online place for most communities of all sizes very easy. it also doubles as a free cross-platform messaging app with a massive userbase. as the top-level GP posted, it mostly has a superset of the features of other community/messaging platforms (at the cost of searchability and data ownership/privacy). as a student, I'm in discord servers for friend groups, school clubs, unofficial classroom servers, game communities, fanbases, etc - anything that can benefit from conversations organized into different channels is usually turned into a discord server. when I think "how can I take this group of people interested in the same thing to gather together online?", the alternatives that come up are: - facebook (too linked to real life identity, also not really great for separating conversations into specific channels to my understanding) - reddit/forums (which can compliment a discord server in being more searchable/async, but in no way rival Discord's real time text/voice chat) - mumble/teamspeak/skype/matrix (largely just has a subset of discord features) - slack/microsoft teams (pretty much solely designated for work and not at all marketed as a general purpose communication solution)
    - WesolyKubeczek 3y ago
      I don’t know, I’ve tried joining some discord communities, and they were all like slack with trigger-happy channel creation, in each channel it was really hard to even grasp what the conversation was about because of emoji and meme flooding. Maybe it’s me getting old, but while I remember quite vividly that IRC regulars liked to flood with emoticons just as much, in five minutes I’d know what the conversation was about. In discord… not so much. And there’s the whole voice layer I didn’t even touch. It’s too chaotic and demanding full immersion, so I just noped out of there. (And there’s the whole aspect of Discord actually owning it all, and banning you discord-wide if you blow your nose funny.) The idea of using discord as a medium for conversations you mean to log and refer to later seems like bollocks in the light of above. Also the idea of having work discussions there seems to be bollocks too and indistinguishable from Slack in 99% aspects imaginable.
cs02rm0 3y ago
> Until Discord appeared we had > Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc And now we have Discord, Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, Slack, Teams, etc etc
- j45 3y ago
  And the 29 other chat apps on our phones because chat is too “complicated” to run with an interoperable protocol like xmpp for today
- baruchel 3y ago
  https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/
j45 3y ago
The way I remember discord is it’s the only chat app kids could generally install, access or use as in school chat. Then it was the voice chat for any video game play. Being a Swiss Army knife of chat can be handy to get users together from different chat platforms How am I doing
magsarion 3y ago
> Voice Chat Integrating a Jitsi bot into the channel solves this. > Good text chat (images, code snippets, emojis, reactions, etc) All possible with good old web linking. Link to an image host, a pastebin, or a file host of your choice. Many IRC clients support inline display of image/media URLs. All major IRC clients and servers support UTF-8 as well, so emoji away. > Streaming Video (!!) Jitsi (with a bot) or web linking. > File share Web linking. > Robust bot integration Quite possibly one of the strongest arguments for IRC. The protocol is well-documented, and it's very easy to write an IRC bot. > Lack of security problem unlike the self-hosted alternatives have. Also lack of transparency. The self-hosted open alternatives are auditable and can be inspected. Nobody knows what Discord does with user data or what security issues exist. > Push2Talk - this is also important, I dont understand how e.g Teams dont have this shit. Your (possibly self-hosted) Jitsi instance already has this. > One account between all servers with ability to customize your identity Until you get banned/blocked for some arbitrary reason, at which point you might as well start over, since everything is gone. tl;dr: Web linking + some bot integration and client affordances solve all these. This is how the web is supposed to work.
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- tester756 3y ago
  >Also lack of transparency. The self-hosted open alternatives are auditable and can be inspected. Nobody knows what Discord does with user data or what security issues exist. This doesnt solve (or doesnt even tries to solve) my issue AT ALL. I'd rather have Discord have some user data that I'm consciously putting there instead of my enemies from the game DDoSing/Stalking me I've played hardcore MMORPGs and this is serious concern. >tl;dr: Web linking + some bot integration and client affordances solve all these. This is how the web is supposed to work. sounds like: go put effort and decrease your UX.
  - magsarion 3y ago
    > I'd rather have Discord some user data that I'm consciously putting there instead of my enemies from the game DDoSing/Stalking me Security by obscurity is not a real solution. If you have a public IP connected to the internet, you will be subjected to attacks and port scans either way. Configure your network and firewall correctly and ensure no ports are open instead of trusting the false sense of security given by some proprietary vendor who has your data. > sounds like: go put effort and decrease your UX. "UX" is subjective. For me, Discord has horrible UX, with its flashy, slow, obnoxious UI and its incessant cacophony of tips, "new feature" notifications, and advertisements for "Discord Nitro". Putting in the one-time effort to configure an IRC client (and making it "fancy") seems worth it to me instead of having to continually put up with Discord's whims. At least there is no threat of enshittification with this approach. "IRC Nitro" will never be a real thing. With Discord, you can never be sure. Elon might just decide to buy it on a whim and rename it something like "XDickswords" if he feels like it.
aleph_minus_one 3y ago
> Push2Talk - this is also important, I dont understand how e.g Teams dont have this shit. MS Teams does support this feature, though you have to activate it first: see > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msteams/forum/all/teams-push-to-talk-on-pc-windows-10/0f253463-60ca-45d2-8acc-7d2a7ce36771 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msteams/forum/all/teams-... (concise answer) > https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/muting-and-unmuting-your-mic-in-microsoft-teams-17886394-9a9a-4f04-b4cc-e46589408b28 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/muting-and-unmuti... (documentation)
the_gipsy 3y ago
> Push to talk Isn't that solveable on the OS level? I have a global mic mute toggle hotkey, this could be done on keydown/keyup too.
- judge2020 3y ago
  It being apart of the app is what makes it intuitive. Most people don't want to have to go through setting something like that up at the OS level.
Beached 3y ago
I love and use discord daily. I totally understand why it is "winning". I just wished it used an open protocol, and allowed its content to be indexed. I dislike proprietary as a principal, and I get that discord isn't going to open it's secret sauce, but at least allow the discord moderators to click a box that will index text channels for search engines and future people trying to solve the problem that's pinned on you faq I. your discord channel without having to join your discord channel. (mostly for when that discord channel goes away in the future, lal that knowledge isn't completely lost"
Groxx 3y ago
Since you are a Push To Talk user, I'm honestly curious: how is it different from temporarily un-muting yourself? Like, how does it work better for you, or cause fewer problems, or something. It's so popular in so many places that I assume I'm missing something obvious. I've always just hit a key to toggle mute though.
- ranger207 3y ago
  I mean, practically speaking it is just temporarily unmuting yourself. It's active while being held instead of toggling is the only major difference
  - Groxx 3y ago
    That is what it seems like to me too. Which is why I find it puzzling that it's so frequently a make-or-break feature, when everything I've used since early teamspeak days has had a keypress to toggle mute. (I have not used Teams)
    - lolinder 3y ago
      I don't play multiplayer games, but I can totally see how push-to-talk would be essential for them. In an intense game with lots of keyboard work, people would be liable to accidentally leave the mic open, distracting teammates with keyboard sounds or whatever. Push to talk also frees up your brain cycles from having to keep track of which mode you're in.
      - jdougan 3y ago
        I do play multi-player games, and that is exactly my experience. Also, on occasion I've had to be connected to more than one VoIP system at the same time and having to track all the toggles would be a huge pain.
        Groxx 3y ago
        Would this imply you're using a globally available key to briefly talk, without having to see / switch to the voice app? I don't think I've seen or noticed that, if so, only "focus discord and hold a button to talk"... at which point I'm already looking at it there's nothing to track, personally. If it's global though I can absolutely see why that's useful.
oskarw85 3y ago
Except Discord is not a forum replacement because there is no easily searchable and accessible history. As simple as that.

nottorp 3y ago

Let's start with one account between all servers. And one censoring authority. Nope, not a good idea.

tester756 3y ago
> Let's start with one account between all servers. Go ahead and create 1 account per 1 server, nothing prevents you. I've actually been doing it for some time - school (1 server) & private discord account (like 10 servers). >And one censoring authority. Sure, that's valid concern, I respect it. For me it's a trade off.
- nottorp 3y ago
  > Go ahead and create 1 account per 1 server, nothing prevents you. You think? I still have to use the official client to log on to all of them so they can just ban all if their AI thinks I'm a communist pedophile terrorist.
  - tester756 3y ago
    Yes, I think, because I used to run 2 accounts for a few years. >I still have to use the official client to log on to all of them so they can just ban all if their AI thinks I'm a communist pedophile terrorist. so... what? Your country can cause you a lot of harm too if they think you're pedophile terrorist. That's edge case, not something that happens to 99.99% of the users.
    - nottorp 3y ago
      A lot of countries tend to have some sort of due process, as opposed to a chat server's "AI".
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      - yard2010 3y ago
        I don't know where you live but in my country the best you can get is a tough bureaucracy process that most people can't afford that hardly can be called "due process"
  - pard68 3y ago
    I have two Discord accounts. The desktop app supports this and lets you log into multiple accounts at once. So I doubt it's against TOS.
    - Dah00n 3y ago
      But if one does something that breaks ToS then both will be banned, no?
- fruitreunion1 3y ago
  >Go ahead and create 1 account per 1 server, nothing prevents you. Doesn't having to give up a phone number for each account (and you can't use the same number on different accounts) make it difficult? (unless you haven't had to, maybe my browser is suspicious, but it's just regular old Chromium). Would like to do this so that I can separate IRL/weak pseudonym (from random people in servers, obviously you can't be truly anonymous on Discord)
  - robinsonb5 3y ago
    I think that depends largely - if not entirely - on the particular server? I'm on 14 servers and haven't given Discord my phone number - but there's one server I refused to join because my phone number would have been required, which is a hard nope from me.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
  Actually, if a previous account happened to have a phone number attached, and you're asked for one again when making a second account, then provide the same number, Discord will automatically ban both accounts with no way to appeal. Which happened to me because I apparently had an old account I had forgotten about. So now I need a new phone number if I want to use Discord.
  - jowea 3y ago
    I've heard of that, but I think the rule changed, Discord even includes an account switcher now.
    - j45 3y ago
      Teenage style gossip mills on discord rumours is a great way to have a smashing chat experience
  - judge2020 3y ago
    > Actually, if a previous account happened to have a phone number attached, and you're asked for one again when making a second account, then provide the same number, Discord will automatically ban both accounts with no way to appeal. You left out that it just bans you on any servers that you're already banned on. It doesn't deactivate/suspend your entire discord account for trying to reuse a phone number for servers that require verification.
    - mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
      Nope, it irrevocably banned both accounts from even being able to sign in.
imtringued 3y ago
I have so many discord accounts because they won't let you change your avatar based on the server. Yeah there is a way to register accounts without phone number verification. I did it four times. The trick is that they block you if you do anything suspicious and any account created under this 'suspicious' state demands phone verification. I don't know how they identify you, but you must succeed with your first try. So your best bet is to find an email provider that is trusted by discord that does not need a phone number.
- Jiig 3y ago
  I think they added it pretty recently, but you can change your whole profile per server now if you have nitro https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4409388345495-Server-Profiles https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/4409388345495-...

gertrunde 3y ago

Apparently Teams does have push-to-talk, although it's not switched on by default. [ https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/muting-and-unmuting-your-mic-in-microsoft-teams-17886394-9a9a-4f04-b4cc-e46589408b28 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/muting-and-unmuti... ]

tester756 3y ago
Interesting, I do wonder whether this is configurable so you can use it on e.g mouse scroll button
QuackyTheDuck 3y ago
Unfortunately, this only works unless you have a textfield focused or something similar that "consumes" your keyboard input. At least in my experience, it's quite unreliable.
- j45 3y ago
  Surprising there isn’t a teams addon
- mouse_ 3y ago
  lol I bet this is a problem caused by UWP "security" same way Wayland broke push to talk for ages in Linux desktops (incl. in Discord).

TheFreim 3y ago

> Lack of security problem unlike the self-hosted alternatives have. This is a major issue. Back in the day TeamSpeak was the primary mode of communication for game servers of a certain kind. Every game server had an associated TS for offering support and many/most of the teams had their own. This was a disaster with people's IP addresses being leaked all over the place, if you joined a server and associated yourself with your in game name there was a high chance that you'd get DDoS'd offline at an important moment. Switching to discord makes this much less likely.

Razengan 3y ago

I get what you're saying, I like Discord, but I wish there was an ecosystem of custom (less bloaty) apps to connect to Discord with, like IRC had.

418tpot 3y ago
Except it will never exist for discord because discord is a proprietary communication service instead of an open protocol. At best it can provide an API, but that can be broken or shut down on a whim. This is why it's a much better use of time for developers to make things like Matrix clients match feature parity to discord rather than attempt to give discord the client diversity of Matrix/IRC.

TacticalCoder 3y ago

> Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc Looks to me that Discord went after those and not after IRC.

robinsonb5 3y ago

I don't hate Discord, but I do hate that it's being used in contexts where a good old fashioned web forum would make more sense.

WesolyKubeczek 3y ago
It’s also like Slack but very noisy. I don’t get its appeal at all.
- pynappo 3y ago
  discord makes hosting a real-time online place for most communities of all sizes very easy. it also doubles as a free cross-platform messaging app with a massive userbase. as the top-level GP posted, it mostly has a superset of the features of other community/messaging platforms (at the cost of searchability and data ownership/privacy). as a student, I'm in discord servers for friend groups, school clubs, unofficial classroom servers, game communities, fanbases, etc - anything that can benefit from conversations organized into different channels is usually turned into a discord server. when I think "how can I take this group of people interested in the same thing to gather together online?", the alternatives that come up are: - facebook (too linked to real life identity, also not really great for separating conversations into specific channels to my understanding) - reddit/forums (which can compliment a discord server in being more searchable/async, but in no way rival Discord's real time text/voice chat) - mumble/teamspeak/skype/matrix (largely just has a subset of discord features) - slack/microsoft teams (pretty much solely designated for work and not at all marketed as a general purpose communication solution)
  - WesolyKubeczek 3y ago
    I don’t know, I’ve tried joining some discord communities, and they were all like slack with trigger-happy channel creation, in each channel it was really hard to even grasp what the conversation was about because of emoji and meme flooding. Maybe it’s me getting old, but while I remember quite vividly that IRC regulars liked to flood with emoticons just as much, in five minutes I’d know what the conversation was about. In discord… not so much. And there’s the whole voice layer I didn’t even touch. It’s too chaotic and demanding full immersion, so I just noped out of there. (And there’s the whole aspect of Discord actually owning it all, and banning you discord-wide if you blow your nose funny.) The idea of using discord as a medium for conversations you mean to log and refer to later seems like bollocks in the light of above. Also the idea of having work discussions there seems to be bollocks too and indistinguishable from Slack in 99% aspects imaginable.

cs02rm0 3y ago

> Until Discord appeared we had > Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, etc, etc And now we have Discord, Ventrilo, Mumble, TeamSpeak, Skype, Slack, Teams, etc etc

j45 3y ago
And the 29 other chat apps on our phones because chat is too “complicated” to run with an interoperable protocol like xmpp for today
baruchel 3y ago
https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/

j45 3y ago

The way I remember discord is it’s the only chat app kids could generally install, access or use as in school chat. Then it was the voice chat for any video game play. Being a Swiss Army knife of chat can be handy to get users together from different chat platforms How am I doing

magsarion 3y ago

> Voice Chat Integrating a Jitsi bot into the channel solves this. > Good text chat (images, code snippets, emojis, reactions, etc) All possible with good old web linking. Link to an image host, a pastebin, or a file host of your choice. Many IRC clients support inline display of image/media URLs. All major IRC clients and servers support UTF-8 as well, so emoji away. > Streaming Video (!!) Jitsi (with a bot) or web linking. > File share Web linking. > Robust bot integration Quite possibly one of the strongest arguments for IRC. The protocol is well-documented, and it's very easy to write an IRC bot. > Lack of security problem unlike the self-hosted alternatives have. Also lack of transparency. The self-hosted open alternatives are auditable and can be inspected. Nobody knows what Discord does with user data or what security issues exist. > Push2Talk - this is also important, I dont understand how e.g Teams dont have this shit. Your (possibly self-hosted) Jitsi instance already has this. > One account between all servers with ability to customize your identity Until you get banned/blocked for some arbitrary reason, at which point you might as well start over, since everything is gone. tl;dr: Web linking + some bot integration and client affordances solve all these. This is how the web is supposed to work.

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tester756 3y ago
>Also lack of transparency. The self-hosted open alternatives are auditable and can be inspected. Nobody knows what Discord does with user data or what security issues exist. This doesnt solve (or doesnt even tries to solve) my issue AT ALL. I'd rather have Discord have some user data that I'm consciously putting there instead of my enemies from the game DDoSing/Stalking me I've played hardcore MMORPGs and this is serious concern. >tl;dr: Web linking + some bot integration and client affordances solve all these. This is how the web is supposed to work. sounds like: go put effort and decrease your UX.
- magsarion 3y ago
  > I'd rather have Discord some user data that I'm consciously putting there instead of my enemies from the game DDoSing/Stalking me Security by obscurity is not a real solution. If you have a public IP connected to the internet, you will be subjected to attacks and port scans either way. Configure your network and firewall correctly and ensure no ports are open instead of trusting the false sense of security given by some proprietary vendor who has your data. > sounds like: go put effort and decrease your UX. "UX" is subjective. For me, Discord has horrible UX, with its flashy, slow, obnoxious UI and its incessant cacophony of tips, "new feature" notifications, and advertisements for "Discord Nitro". Putting in the one-time effort to configure an IRC client (and making it "fancy") seems worth it to me instead of having to continually put up with Discord's whims. At least there is no threat of enshittification with this approach. "IRC Nitro" will never be a real thing. With Discord, you can never be sure. Elon might just decide to buy it on a whim and rename it something like "XDickswords" if he feels like it.

aleph_minus_one 3y ago

> Push2Talk - this is also important, I dont understand how e.g Teams dont have this shit. MS Teams does support this feature, though you have to activate it first: see > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msteams/forum/all/teams-push-to-talk-on-pc-windows-10/0f253463-60ca-45d2-8acc-7d2a7ce36771 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msteams/forum/all/teams-... (concise answer) > https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/muting-and-unmuting-your-mic-in-microsoft-teams-17886394-9a9a-4f04-b4cc-e46589408b28 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/muting-and-unmuti... (documentation)

the_gipsy 3y ago

> Push to talk Isn't that solveable on the OS level? I have a global mic mute toggle hotkey, this could be done on keydown/keyup too.

judge2020 3y ago
It being apart of the app is what makes it intuitive. Most people don't want to have to go through setting something like that up at the OS level.

Beached 3y ago

I love and use discord daily. I totally understand why it is "winning". I just wished it used an open protocol, and allowed its content to be indexed. I dislike proprietary as a principal, and I get that discord isn't going to open it's secret sauce, but at least allow the discord moderators to click a box that will index text channels for search engines and future people trying to solve the problem that's pinned on you faq I. your discord channel without having to join your discord channel. (mostly for when that discord channel goes away in the future, lal that knowledge isn't completely lost"

Groxx 3y ago

Since you are a Push To Talk user, I'm honestly curious: how is it different from temporarily un-muting yourself? Like, how does it work better for you, or cause fewer problems, or something. It's so popular in so many places that I assume I'm missing something obvious. I've always just hit a key to toggle mute though.

ranger207 3y ago
I mean, practically speaking it is just temporarily unmuting yourself. It's active while being held instead of toggling is the only major difference
- Groxx 3y ago
  That is what it seems like to me too. Which is why I find it puzzling that it's so frequently a make-or-break feature, when everything I've used since early teamspeak days has had a keypress to toggle mute. (I have not used Teams)
  - lolinder 3y ago
    I don't play multiplayer games, but I can totally see how push-to-talk would be essential for them. In an intense game with lots of keyboard work, people would be liable to accidentally leave the mic open, distracting teammates with keyboard sounds or whatever. Push to talk also frees up your brain cycles from having to keep track of which mode you're in.
    - jdougan 3y ago
      I do play multi-player games, and that is exactly my experience. Also, on occasion I've had to be connected to more than one VoIP system at the same time and having to track all the toggles would be a huge pain.
      - Groxx 3y ago
        Would this imply you're using a globally available key to briefly talk, without having to see / switch to the voice app? I don't think I've seen or noticed that, if so, only "focus discord and hold a button to talk"... at which point I'm already looking at it there's nothing to track, personally. If it's global though I can absolutely see why that's useful.

oskarw85 3y ago

Except Discord is not a forum replacement because there is no easily searchable and accessible history. As simple as that.