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> IF I DO NOTHING > If you are a Settlement Class Member and you do nothing, you will give up the rights explained in Question 9, including your right to start

by Y_Y 3y ago

> IF I DO NOTHING > If you are a Settlement Class Member and you do nothing, you will give up the rights explained in Question 9, including your right to start a lawsuit, continue a lawsuit, or be part of any other lawsuit against the Defendant and the Released Parties about the legal issues or factual allegations resolved by this Settlement. In addition, you will not receive a payment from this Settlement How can I give up my rights like this?, especially with regard to a case I may easily not have heard about. I'm in this class, but wouldn't know about it if it wasn't for this post.

sdflhasjd 3y ago
Naturally, the deadline to opt out was 3 days ago.
LadyCailin 3y ago
That’s why class actions require the assent of a judge. Because they are a compromise between getting justice for the largest number of people, and efficient handling of the cases. It’s imperfect, but so is requiring every one of the millions of individual to file their own lawsuit, or allowing the company to remain liable indefinitely. Having said that, I assume they are required to make an honest effort to notify affected folks, I got a notification directly in my Facebook notifications a bit ago.
- Y_Y 3y ago
  Is a Facebook notification sufficient? That seems to bear an implication that you're required to have kept using Facebook all this time, despite their misdeeds and general decline in popularity.
  - RuggedPineapple 3y ago
    They've also been advertising it pretty extensively for quite a while. I signed up close to a year ago I think. At the end of the day they aren't required to cover every edge case or possible contingency. Like the other person said, its a compromise. If everyone had to file individually, most would never get justice. The settlement gets evaluated for reasonableness by the court for exactly this issue. Not everyone is going to be reachable. For the fraction that aren't, would a reasonable person consider this an acceptable outcome? At the end of the day its a decent solution to a thorny problem. If there's a better one then by all means propose it to some legal thinkers. But as it stands now, over the course of a very long time legal minds have decided on this and it works alright.
    - Y_Y 3y ago
      As much as I like being an "edge case", "contingency", "fraction", etc., I can't agree. Do you have a good reason to believe that we can consider negligible the proportion of people who are entitled to participate in this class action but are not aware of its existence and their rights and responsibilities? Can you show that it's probable that they're not in the majority? The problem may be thorny, but you haven't made a convincing argument that this solution is decent. The law (in some countries more than others) is full of unsatisfying compromise, and not for lack of good ideas. Fwiw, class actions of this type have been popular mostly in one country and only since the sixties. I agree that it's the status quo and people aren't rioting over it, but that's hardly the consensus of hundreds of years of jurisprudence.
      - RuggedPineapple 3y ago
        The rest of your comment is a perfectly valid way of looking at things, so I'm not going to contest it. I think my comment stands and you have a different take, which is totally fine. We don't have to agree. But I did note this section: >Fwiw, class actions of this type have been popular mostly in one country and only since the sixties. I presume you're speaking of the US, but just a month ago (went into effect June 25th) the EU opened up and simplified their class action scheme ('Directive on Representative Actions') to make it simpler and easier to file class action suits and largely remove borders and jurisdiction squabbles from the discussion. This US style system was set up specifically because it better protects consumers. Quoting from the EU themselves: >However, the consumers affected may feel powerless and hesitate to take legal actions. They might be confronted to obstacles such as the uncertainty about their rights or about which procedural mechanisms are available, psychological reluctance to take action or the negative balance of the expected costs relative to the benefits of the individual action. Collective redress mechanisms, such as the one provided by Directive (EU) 2020/1828 are therefore needed to overcome the obstacles faced by consumers in individual actions. https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/consumer-protection-law/representative-actions-directive_en https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/consumer-protecti...
        Aeolun 3y ago
- markdown 3y ago
  Is this only for US Facebook users?
  - loeg 3y ago
    Yes.
- sidewndr46 3y ago
  Realistically a judge is the last person who should be making that kind of decision. They are theoretically employed by the state to handle those cases, so they should be making decisions which lessen their own workload.
- deleted 3y ago
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- ribosometronome 3y ago
  >allowing the company to remain liable indefinitely. Why is a company continuing to be responsible for its past actions problematic?
- victorbjorklund 3y ago
  Yea. In Sweden we have something similar but it is very very very limited (so in practice they are almost never used). That results in the fact that you can pretty much get away with doing small damages to a large number of people. Because each person would have to sue on their own (and in Sweden there is no punitive damages so you can only recover what damage you actually had) and it doesn't really make sense to sue a company to recover say 50 usd if you have to pay the lawyer 20 000 usd. So class actions are imperfect but I would say they are way better than not having them and needing to sue individually.
YLYvYkHeB2NRNT 3y ago
Let’s do something for that nickel check smh
amluto 3y ago
Rule 23 is the general procedure: https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_23 https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_23 IANAL.
JoBrad 3y ago
There’s no point in acting all surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display in your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for fifty of your Earth years.
- ryan_j_naughton 3y ago
  So long and thanks for all the fish!!
- sorokod 3y ago
  More like It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.
  - heavyset_go 3y ago
    > I then had all the dollar TVs moved to an area at the back of the store and had a new wall constructed to surround this area that could only be entered through a tiny, two-foot-tall door. > Finally, in between the door and the TVs, I added a live alligator, which would hopefully force customers who made it this far to reconsider their decision to take advantage of the great offer. https://youtu.be/XbC0-tuYE2o?t=128 https://youtu.be/XbC0-tuYE2o?t=128
- sinoue 3y ago
  Loved that book/movie! “But the plans were on display…” “On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.” “That’s the display department.” “With a flashlight.” “Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.” “So had the stairs.” “But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?” “Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”
sidewndr46 3y ago
The same way as anything with the government. They decided you don't have rights any longer.
anonu 3y ago
By opting out of the class action, you are not bound by the terms of the settlement and can pursue your own separate legal action against the defendant on your own behalf. But good luck...
- batch12 3y ago
  That deadline already passed, so you can't opt out anymore.
  - anonu 3y ago
    Opting out is the default. You don't need to do anything to opt out.
    - batch12 3y ago
      Not true. By doing nothing you forfeit your right to pursue damages for this. Opting out would have left you the option to sue independently. > Unless you opt out of the settlement, you are automatically part of the Settlement. If you do nothing, you will not get a payment from this Settlement and you will give up the right to sue, continue to sue, or be part of another lawsuit against the Defendant related to the legal claims or factual allegations resolved by this Settlement.
bandyaboot 3y ago
Because if there weren’t some mechanism that has the effect of severely limiting liability beyond the class action settlement, corporate interests would be unhappy. Keeping corporate interests happy trumps your rights.

by Y_Y 3y ago

sdflhasjd 3y ago

Naturally, the deadline to opt out was 3 days ago.

LadyCailin 3y ago

That’s why class actions require the assent of a judge. Because they are a compromise between getting justice for the largest number of people, and efficient handling of the cases. It’s imperfect, but so is requiring every one of the millions of individual to file their own lawsuit, or allowing the company to remain liable indefinitely. Having said that, I assume they are required to make an honest effort to notify affected folks, I got a notification directly in my Facebook notifications a bit ago.

Y_Y 3y ago
Is a Facebook notification sufficient? That seems to bear an implication that you're required to have kept using Facebook all this time, despite their misdeeds and general decline in popularity.
- RuggedPineapple 3y ago
  They've also been advertising it pretty extensively for quite a while. I signed up close to a year ago I think. At the end of the day they aren't required to cover every edge case or possible contingency. Like the other person said, its a compromise. If everyone had to file individually, most would never get justice. The settlement gets evaluated for reasonableness by the court for exactly this issue. Not everyone is going to be reachable. For the fraction that aren't, would a reasonable person consider this an acceptable outcome? At the end of the day its a decent solution to a thorny problem. If there's a better one then by all means propose it to some legal thinkers. But as it stands now, over the course of a very long time legal minds have decided on this and it works alright.
  - Y_Y 3y ago
    As much as I like being an "edge case", "contingency", "fraction", etc., I can't agree. Do you have a good reason to believe that we can consider negligible the proportion of people who are entitled to participate in this class action but are not aware of its existence and their rights and responsibilities? Can you show that it's probable that they're not in the majority? The problem may be thorny, but you haven't made a convincing argument that this solution is decent. The law (in some countries more than others) is full of unsatisfying compromise, and not for lack of good ideas. Fwiw, class actions of this type have been popular mostly in one country and only since the sixties. I agree that it's the status quo and people aren't rioting over it, but that's hardly the consensus of hundreds of years of jurisprudence.
    - RuggedPineapple 3y ago
      The rest of your comment is a perfectly valid way of looking at things, so I'm not going to contest it. I think my comment stands and you have a different take, which is totally fine. We don't have to agree. But I did note this section: >Fwiw, class actions of this type have been popular mostly in one country and only since the sixties. I presume you're speaking of the US, but just a month ago (went into effect June 25th) the EU opened up and simplified their class action scheme ('Directive on Representative Actions') to make it simpler and easier to file class action suits and largely remove borders and jurisdiction squabbles from the discussion. This US style system was set up specifically because it better protects consumers. Quoting from the EU themselves: >However, the consumers affected may feel powerless and hesitate to take legal actions. They might be confronted to obstacles such as the uncertainty about their rights or about which procedural mechanisms are available, psychological reluctance to take action or the negative balance of the expected costs relative to the benefits of the individual action. Collective redress mechanisms, such as the one provided by Directive (EU) 2020/1828 are therefore needed to overcome the obstacles faced by consumers in individual actions. https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/consumer-protection-law/representative-actions-directive_en https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/consumer-protecti...
      - Aeolun 3y ago
markdown 3y ago
Is this only for US Facebook users?
- loeg 3y ago
  Yes.
sidewndr46 3y ago
Realistically a judge is the last person who should be making that kind of decision. They are theoretically employed by the state to handle those cases, so they should be making decisions which lessen their own workload.
deleted 3y ago
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ribosometronome 3y ago
>allowing the company to remain liable indefinitely. Why is a company continuing to be responsible for its past actions problematic?
victorbjorklund 3y ago
Yea. In Sweden we have something similar but it is very very very limited (so in practice they are almost never used). That results in the fact that you can pretty much get away with doing small damages to a large number of people. Because each person would have to sue on their own (and in Sweden there is no punitive damages so you can only recover what damage you actually had) and it doesn't really make sense to sue a company to recover say 50 usd if you have to pay the lawyer 20 000 usd. So class actions are imperfect but I would say they are way better than not having them and needing to sue individually.

YLYvYkHeB2NRNT 3y ago

Let’s do something for that nickel check smh

amluto 3y ago

Rule 23 is the general procedure: https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_23 https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_23 IANAL.

JoBrad 3y ago

There’s no point in acting all surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display in your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for fifty of your Earth years.

ryan_j_naughton 3y ago
So long and thanks for all the fish!!
sorokod 3y ago
More like It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.
- heavyset_go 3y ago
  > I then had all the dollar TVs moved to an area at the back of the store and had a new wall constructed to surround this area that could only be entered through a tiny, two-foot-tall door. > Finally, in between the door and the TVs, I added a live alligator, which would hopefully force customers who made it this far to reconsider their decision to take advantage of the great offer. https://youtu.be/XbC0-tuYE2o?t=128 https://youtu.be/XbC0-tuYE2o?t=128
sinoue 3y ago
Loved that book/movie! “But the plans were on display…” “On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.” “That’s the display department.” “With a flashlight.” “Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.” “So had the stairs.” “But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?” “Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”

sidewndr46 3y ago

The same way as anything with the government. They decided you don't have rights any longer.

anonu 3y ago

By opting out of the class action, you are not bound by the terms of the settlement and can pursue your own separate legal action against the defendant on your own behalf. But good luck...

batch12 3y ago
That deadline already passed, so you can't opt out anymore.
- anonu 3y ago
  Opting out is the default. You don't need to do anything to opt out.
  - batch12 3y ago
    Not true. By doing nothing you forfeit your right to pursue damages for this. Opting out would have left you the option to sue independently. > Unless you opt out of the settlement, you are automatically part of the Settlement. If you do nothing, you will not get a payment from this Settlement and you will give up the right to sue, continue to sue, or be part of another lawsuit against the Defendant related to the legal claims or factual allegations resolved by this Settlement.

bandyaboot 3y ago

Because if there weren’t some mechanism that has the effect of severely limiting liability beyond the class action settlement, corporate interests would be unhappy. Keeping corporate interests happy trumps your rights.