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"These patterns cannot be fully explained by racial animus, housing prices, or correlations with Black/Hispanic arrivals. Parental fears of academic competition

"These patterns cannot be fully explained by racial animus, housing prices, or correlations with Black/Hispanic arrivals. Parental fears of academic competition may play a role." This is utterly insane. As if the average white family are completely and utterly mobile and financially robust enough to whimsically change their kids schooling over fear of "competition" from Asians. This is so outrageously reductionist it has to be agenda driven.

lotsofpulp 3y ago
Presumably, the study is not referring to average white families. In the summary, it says > high-socioeconomic-status Californian school districts
jasmer 3y ago
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stevenwoo 3y ago
Can you elaborate on what the agenda is?
- zo1 3y ago
  Not OP. But I would propose that the agenda is to add more fuel to the race struggle prompted by academia that needs an "evil" oppressor.
  - Solvency 3y ago
    Exactly.
ardit33 3y ago
I have friends (Asian) that wont put their kids on some of the mostly asian schools in the Bay Area, even though they are top schools, as the competition is too much and they don't want to raise unhappy kids. Basically, over-emphasis at academics at any costs in the first/second gen asians (either Chinese or Korean), raises unhappy kids (this was by two of my asian friends). My guess, rich white parents might view it the same, and they want to have a more free form/wholesome type of environment for their kids. Take it as you will... (Ps. I am not american and I don't have kids, so I don't have a horse in this race, pun intended)
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  I really didn’t see it, but I have a friend (mixed white/Chinese family) who did the same: took his kids out of very well regarded white/Asian schools because he thought the students and teachers were too aggressive in academics. They are still in accelerated classes (in private schools), just with more diversity and less focus on one way to succeed.
scythe 3y ago
Change like this happens at the margins. Families already moving will choose one district over another due to factors; people faced with the possibility of moving (job offer) will take it or decline due to factors. Over time, these effects accumulate into something statistically observable. The caricature of people immediately putting their house on the market when a new neighbor arrives need not ever actually occur.
SamReidHughes 3y ago
This description is very consistent with some comments from parents that I encountered in the peninsula, when I lived there a decade ago. Avoiding heavily east Asian areas would be a factor I'd expect them to make in deciding on school district. Some cafes around Santa Clara were shockingly filled to the brim with Chinese or Korean high schoolers doing schoolwork -- it was an absolutely disturbing sight. I wouldn't call it fear of competition so much as a desire to have kids grow up in a good culture.
- djleni 3y ago
  Disturbing?
  - SamReidHughes 3y ago
    Yes, kids spending their after school time doing homework and maxing test scores instead of having a childhood is disturbing.
    - djleni 3y ago
      Have I lost my mind? “kids spending their after school time doing homework” Uh… what do you think homework is for? When is it traditionally done? Have you ever done homework before???
      - SamReidHughes 3y ago
        Traditionally I think it's done as rapidly and haphazardly as possible during homeroom. It's right there in the word, home-room. What I saw is basically the embodiment of this chart. (And remember that the "Asian" number dilutes out the Chinese and Korean numbers.) https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012026/tables/table_35.asp https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012026/tables/table_35.asp
    - ramraj07 3y ago
      Children and their parents exercising their freedom to do whatever they want is disturbing to you? Because some predetermined definition of “having a childhood” is not being met? I’m not arguing that this is the best use of their time, but neither is anything else within bounds of normal decorum.
inkyoto 3y ago
It is elaborated on at the end of the second and in the third paragraphs: «In particular, some white parents worry that their own children will suffer from competition in schools with high Asian enrollment or that the curriculum will emphasize academics at the expense of sports or other priorities» and «Many White parents say they’re leaving because the schools are too academically driven and too narrowly invested in subjects such as math and science at the expense of liberal arts and extracurriculars like sports […]» Effectively, some White parents appear to be imbued with the existential fear that their children are going to discover that a football field or a washing machine are not valid units of measure after all.
- shrimp_emoji 3y ago
  Instinct has just become aware of its irrelevance... and it will not go down without a bloody flight*. :D

lotsofpulp 3y ago

Presumably, the study is not referring to average white families. In the summary, it says > high-socioeconomic-status Californian school districts

jasmer 3y ago

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stevenwoo 3y ago

Can you elaborate on what the agenda is?

zo1 3y ago
Not OP. But I would propose that the agenda is to add more fuel to the race struggle prompted by academia that needs an "evil" oppressor.
- Solvency 3y ago
  Exactly.

ardit33 3y ago

I have friends (Asian) that wont put their kids on some of the mostly asian schools in the Bay Area, even though they are top schools, as the competition is too much and they don't want to raise unhappy kids. Basically, over-emphasis at academics at any costs in the first/second gen asians (either Chinese or Korean), raises unhappy kids (this was by two of my asian friends). My guess, rich white parents might view it the same, and they want to have a more free form/wholesome type of environment for their kids. Take it as you will... (Ps. I am not american and I don't have kids, so I don't have a horse in this race, pun intended)

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
I really didn’t see it, but I have a friend (mixed white/Chinese family) who did the same: took his kids out of very well regarded white/Asian schools because he thought the students and teachers were too aggressive in academics. They are still in accelerated classes (in private schools), just with more diversity and less focus on one way to succeed.

scythe 3y ago

Change like this happens at the margins. Families already moving will choose one district over another due to factors; people faced with the possibility of moving (job offer) will take it or decline due to factors. Over time, these effects accumulate into something statistically observable. The caricature of people immediately putting their house on the market when a new neighbor arrives need not ever actually occur.

SamReidHughes 3y ago

This description is very consistent with some comments from parents that I encountered in the peninsula, when I lived there a decade ago. Avoiding heavily east Asian areas would be a factor I'd expect them to make in deciding on school district. Some cafes around Santa Clara were shockingly filled to the brim with Chinese or Korean high schoolers doing schoolwork -- it was an absolutely disturbing sight. I wouldn't call it fear of competition so much as a desire to have kids grow up in a good culture.

djleni 3y ago
Disturbing?
- SamReidHughes 3y ago
  Yes, kids spending their after school time doing homework and maxing test scores instead of having a childhood is disturbing.
  - djleni 3y ago
    Have I lost my mind? “kids spending their after school time doing homework” Uh… what do you think homework is for? When is it traditionally done? Have you ever done homework before???
    - SamReidHughes 3y ago
      Traditionally I think it's done as rapidly and haphazardly as possible during homeroom. It's right there in the word, home-room. What I saw is basically the embodiment of this chart. (And remember that the "Asian" number dilutes out the Chinese and Korean numbers.) https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012026/tables/table_35.asp https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012026/tables/table_35.asp
  - ramraj07 3y ago
    Children and their parents exercising their freedom to do whatever they want is disturbing to you? Because some predetermined definition of “having a childhood” is not being met? I’m not arguing that this is the best use of their time, but neither is anything else within bounds of normal decorum.

inkyoto 3y ago

It is elaborated on at the end of the second and in the third paragraphs: «In particular, some white parents worry that their own children will suffer from competition in schools with high Asian enrollment or that the curriculum will emphasize academics at the expense of sports or other priorities» and «Many White parents say they’re leaving because the schools are too academically driven and too narrowly invested in subjects such as math and science at the expense of liberal arts and extracurriculars like sports […]» Effectively, some White parents appear to be imbued with the existential fear that their children are going to discover that a football field or a washing machine are not valid units of measure after all.

shrimp_emoji 3y ago
Instinct has just become aware of its irrelevance... and it will not go down without a bloody flight*. :D