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China admitted it was their balloon but claimed it wasn’t the government’s, nor for surveillance. Does that mean China is just in on the conspiracy then?

neuronic 3y ago
If you believe Grusch, then yes, because governments around the world are racing to recover UAPs. I don’t really believe it but it would be in line with the story.
chiefalchemist 3y ago
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- bananapub 3y ago
  > Imagine this...China loves to see us spend more and more on "defense", while they plan and execute things such as "The New Silk Road." While we're droning the fuck out of the Middle East, China is making friends in Africa. if your conspiracy that the US is run by self-serving idiots then I don't know what to tell you
  - chiefalchemist 3y ago
    The MIC is a conspiracy theory? Imagine this then...the term was popularized by a multi-star military general who was also a POTUS. Eisenhower didn't know what he was talking about? Remember: They lied about WMDs, but you don't think they'd stage a balloon incident? You're naive. I *do* know what to tell you...stop making eveything you don't want to understand a "conspiracy theory." Life isn't that simple. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg-jvHynP9Y&pp=ygUzZWlzZW5ob3dlciBtaWxpdGFyeSBpbmR1c3RyaWFsIGNvbXBsZXggc3BlZWNoIHZpZGVv https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg-jvHynP9Y&pp=ygUzZWlzZW5ob3d...
dontlaugh 3y ago
It was definitely an out of control scientific balloon. Doesn’t mean the US didn’t also shoot it down to stoke the new Cold War.
- chiefalchemist 3y ago
  The question is the source. Anyone could have put that in the air.
  - dontlaugh 3y ago
    The Chinese government said it is Chinese. Considering the country is encircled by US bases, what incentive would they have to help the US government?
    - chiefalchemist 3y ago
      When we spend excessively on DoD, that doesn't "help the US gov", unless slitting our own throats is help.
      - dontlaugh 3y ago
        It helps the ruling class of the US, the bourgeoisie. It doesn't help the government or people of China, though. So they have no reason to help.
        chiefalchemist 3y ago
        You can split hairs all you want about the ruling class and the gov but the latter is the sock puppet of the former. That is, they are effectively one in the same. When that duo screws the proles - and it does, often - that IS good for China. aka Communist China. Balloon = "new red scare" = "we need more DoD budget" = "we don't have money for X, Y, and Z" = "let them eat balloons" It's a tired and known pattern. But proles being proles don't get it. FFS, most on HN don't get it.
        dontlaugh 3y ago
        I'm a communist, I don't need convincing. The bourgeoisie in the US is the ruling class because they have state power. They use that power to exploit the proletariat of the US, but also to super-exploit the proletariat of the rest of the world. In China, it's a bit different. The proletariat has won state power and is using it to constrain their national bourgeoisie. Part of why their bourgeoisie is tolerated for now is precisely because of western (US-led) imperialism, so China is allowed to trade with the rest of the (capitalist) world and so they don't get nuked by the US. US war mongering hurts the proletariat of the US, but is far more dangerous for us proletarians of the rest of the world, including in China.

neuronic 3y ago

If you believe Grusch, then yes, because governments around the world are racing to recover UAPs. I don’t really believe it but it would be in line with the story.

chiefalchemist 3y ago

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bananapub 3y ago
> Imagine this...China loves to see us spend more and more on "defense", while they plan and execute things such as "The New Silk Road." While we're droning the fuck out of the Middle East, China is making friends in Africa. if your conspiracy that the US is run by self-serving idiots then I don't know what to tell you
- chiefalchemist 3y ago
  The MIC is a conspiracy theory? Imagine this then...the term was popularized by a multi-star military general who was also a POTUS. Eisenhower didn't know what he was talking about? Remember: They lied about WMDs, but you don't think they'd stage a balloon incident? You're naive. I *do* know what to tell you...stop making eveything you don't want to understand a "conspiracy theory." Life isn't that simple. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg-jvHynP9Y&pp=ygUzZWlzZW5ob3dlciBtaWxpdGFyeSBpbmR1c3RyaWFsIGNvbXBsZXggc3BlZWNoIHZpZGVv https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg-jvHynP9Y&pp=ygUzZWlzZW5ob3d...

dontlaugh 3y ago

It was definitely an out of control scientific balloon. Doesn’t mean the US didn’t also shoot it down to stoke the new Cold War.

chiefalchemist 3y ago
The question is the source. Anyone could have put that in the air.
- dontlaugh 3y ago
  The Chinese government said it is Chinese. Considering the country is encircled by US bases, what incentive would they have to help the US government?
  - chiefalchemist 3y ago
    When we spend excessively on DoD, that doesn't "help the US gov", unless slitting our own throats is help.
    - dontlaugh 3y ago
      It helps the ruling class of the US, the bourgeoisie. It doesn't help the government or people of China, though. So they have no reason to help.
      - chiefalchemist 3y ago
        You can split hairs all you want about the ruling class and the gov but the latter is the sock puppet of the former. That is, they are effectively one in the same. When that duo screws the proles - and it does, often - that IS good for China. aka Communist China. Balloon = "new red scare" = "we need more DoD budget" = "we don't have money for X, Y, and Z" = "let them eat balloons" It's a tired and known pattern. But proles being proles don't get it. FFS, most on HN don't get it.
        dontlaugh 3y ago
        I'm a communist, I don't need convincing. The bourgeoisie in the US is the ruling class because they have state power. They use that power to exploit the proletariat of the US, but also to super-exploit the proletariat of the rest of the world. In China, it's a bit different. The proletariat has won state power and is using it to constrain their national bourgeoisie. Part of why their bourgeoisie is tolerated for now is precisely because of western (US-led) imperialism, so China is allowed to trade with the rest of the (capitalist) world and so they don't get nuked by the US. US war mongering hurts the proletariat of the US, but is far more dangerous for us proletarians of the rest of the world, including in China.