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This explosion of AI-generated imagery will result in an explosion of millions of fake images, obivously. Perhaps in the short-term this is fun, but in the long
by vouaobrasil 3y ago
This explosion of AI-generated imagery will result in an explosion of millions of fake images, obivously. Perhaps in the short-term this is fun, but in the long-term, we will lose a bit more scarcity, which is not that great in my opinion.
Isn't the best part of a meal eating after you've not had anything to eat for a while? The best part about a kiss that you've quenched the pain of missing your partner?
The best part of art is that you haven't seen anything good in a while?
Scarcity is an underappreciated gift to us, and the relative scarcity per capita is in a sense what drives us to connect with other people, so that we may be priveleged to witness the occasional spark of creativity from a person, which in turn tells us about that person.
Although that sort of viewpoint has been declining for some time due to the intensely capitalistic squeezing of every sort of human endeavor, AI brings this to a whole new level.
I think if those making this software thought a bit about this, they might second-guess whether it is truly right to release it. Just a thought.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y agoI want to appreciate your comment, but I can't. Can you please chisel it on stone tablets for me? That will really help me appreciate it.
- soligern 3y agoEnforcing artificial scarcity is idiotic and counter progressive. There will be other things that will continue to be uncommon that humans will continue to appreciate. This is what human progress looks like. Imagine someone said this when agriculture started up- “The great thing about fruits and vegetables is that they taste so sweet the few times we find them. We shouldn’t grow them in bulk”
- __loam 3y agoAI Art models are completely dependent on human labor to function. "Out-competing" human generated images will damage the commons and make it harder to train these models over time as they push human creative labor out of the market, if we believe it's even competitive. Personally I think this guy has a point and he's pointing to something that I don't believe a lot of ai art advocates have considered: the attention economy. There isn't actually any scarcity in the current market for artistic content. There are literally millions of people producing art every day, and the market is very winner take all. There are few artists who are able to support themselves on their work, and their skills are exceptional and specifically in demand. My theory is that the supply of AI generated content will be so vast, and the perception around it will be that it's low effort and low quality, that so called AI artists are going to have trouble distinguishing themselves in a market where they're saturating it and all using the same models. I think your perception of this market is flawed. Art is not a fungible good like food or clothing.
- soligern 3y agoSo what if art is devalued? We are hardwired to appreciate beauty so art of some form will always be sought. Obviously there is the matter of artists losing their livelihoods but that is also an inevitable outcome of progress and always has been.
- __loam 3y agoLol. I hate this industry sometimes. It's not obvious, to me at least, that our society should accept the automation of the production of culture. Maybe I'm a luddite or whatever lazy quip you'd like to use, but I prefer the story of a human mastering a skill and producing something beyond contextless aesthetic sludge.
- I_am_uncreative 3y agoYeah, that's why I always laugh when I see people use cars instead of walking 100 miles. It's an inspiring story for people to do marathons, and cars devalue that.
- __loam 3y agoImagine talking about artistic expression like it's just a fucking car trip that should be automated.
- vouaobrasil 3y agoI disagree. The problem is that AI will flood the market to an extent that humans will barely be able to keep up, moving from one AI-generated thing to the next, barely having time any more to spend any real effort on enjoying life.
- vouaobrasil 3y agoThere is a great chasm between "don't grow vegetables" and "grow them the way we do them today". I wouldn't advocate not growing vegetables. But today we grow them in a monoculture for instant availability everywhere, and those monocultures are susceptible to disease and also are not terribly ecologically friendly. AI is like an ultimate monoculture of diseased fruits. Also, I believe counter-progressive to be a good thing. Human beings should not progress in certain ways, as we don't have the wisdom to use the technology we have developed. Humans in general cannot appreciate things very well, and computers and AI will only make it worse.
- dwallin 3y agoI think you have this backwards, Capitalism loves scarcity. Scarcity is what allows for supply and demand curves and profit-making opportunities, even better if you can control the scarcity. Capitalist entities are constantly attempting to use laws, technology, and market power to add scarcity to places where it didn't previously exist.
- SV_BubbleTime 3y agoI'm pretty sure that lots of things end up being scarce in totalitarian forms of government... food, for one.
- vouaobrasil 3y agoThat is not the whole story. Capitalism likes the following process (if you can say capitalism "loves" anything, which isn't quite right. It's more like the abusers of capitalism love this): 1. Create scarcity, 2. Flood the market to reap short term gains with market-disrupting technology 3. Creat new scarcity by creating new products
- Gabriel_Martin 3y agoSeeing the "less art needs to exist" perspective is certainly a first time for me on this topic.
- __loam 3y agoIt would be a real shame if low effort AI spam buried people who have dedicated their lives to artistic expression.
- pzo 3y agoA lot of downvotes. I can relate to it a little bit. During beginning of covid I was in SE Asia at airbnb that didn't have laundry machine - since in SE Asia you don't need it generally because there is so many cheap per kg laundry services around. When for the first month I had to hand wash my clothes I really appreciated having a laundry machine after moving to another airbnb that had one - you take some things for granted. But no, I wouldn't want to hand wash my laundry more often. For the same reason probably I still prefer using a lighter when having a BBQ than a flint.
- vouaobrasil 3y agoYes, humans take many things for granted. That's why it's better to experience a lack of things sometimes because we are just wired to move onto the next thing. As for the downvotes, I don't mind. I try and present a critical view of technology, but I expect the downvotes because almost everyone here has the perspective that technology is a tool and progress is generally a good thing, which are two statements that I wholeheartedly reject.
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- naillo 3y agoThe same could have been said when photoshop or CGI tools like blender replaced hand sculpting and hand painting but I think it hasn't been a net negative across the board (I think rather the opposite).
- vouaobrasil 3y agoI believe it has. CGI at the beginning was okay but like all technologies, humans could not resist bring it to a high level of efficiency. Now all CGI movies are pretty bland and barely any effort is brought to storytelling.
- NegativeK 3y agoI don't think that trying to convince people to starve themselves a little as your opening analogy is good for your argument.
- vouaobrasil 3y agoI didn't say starve. I just meant to take a break from eating (you know, like between meals?). AI and computer technology has removed the breaks between meals.