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> He sees the X vision to make Twitter become the Everything App, where people turn to it for more than just messaging, but video calls and commerce This is th

> He sees the X vision to make Twitter become the Everything App, where people turn to it for more than just messaging, but video calls and commerce This is the exact vacuous nonsense Sam Bankman-Fried was spouting while playing League of Legends in a VC meeting and it made Sequoia Capital wet their pants. It really puts the cart before the horse of "how or why" Twitter should position themselves this way. It is frustrating to watch people continuously buy into his complete lack of vision or execution.

finikytou 3y ago
sam bankman-fried is closer to Musk opponents at every angle you look at. and btw those opponents crowned sam bankman fried while they hate musk in every newspaper you can buy in the US
- Capricorn2481 3y ago
  What opponents? You mean in the tech VC world? Cause the rest of us are disillusioned with both of them.
  - finikytou 3y ago
    pretty much every newspaper, tv journalist and a big chunk of the politicians. its easy just look at everyone that gave money to Sam Bankman and try to link see what those people think of Musk. I guarantee you the spread will be something like 90% against Musk
_jal 3y ago
> It is frustrating to watch people continuously buy into his complete lack of vision or execution. "Hey, look over there! I'll make the 6 Million Dollar Man!" I'm pretty sure he just watches 80s TV for vaporware announcement ideas to use when there's bad press to suppress.
atourgates 3y ago
I really dislike Musk - but it does seem like sometimes - he has a really strong vision. Tesla and SpaceX and StarLink are really impressive from a "had a vision for something on a broadly positive world-changing scale, successfully executed it" perspective. With Twitter, I'm not sure he actually has a vision. The best realistic pro-Musk argument you can make is that he can be a real ass, but he's an ass whose companies tend to do amazing things. With Twitter, the best I can come up with is that he had a personal grudge against the platform, and the means to take pattiness to unheard of scales.
- malermeister 3y ago
  It almost feels Trumpian in its need to remove any trace of what was built before he took over.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Wait until he sues for the founder title.
    - cwkoss 3y ago
      Yeah, I suspect he's going to start calling himself "the creator/founder of X" soon
      - klyrs 3y ago
        That's technically accurate, isn't it? Twitter is the pea under a stack of shells named X, each founded by Musk. The accuracy of that title only loses specificity when he renames Twitter to X.
        cwkoss 3y ago
        I FOUNDED THE HOLDING COMPANY GODDAMNIT! GIVE ME THE RESPECT I DESERVE!
      - vntok 3y ago
jasmer 3y ago
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imbnwa 3y ago
I don't think it's nonsense. Patreon, OnlyFans, etc are basically things that should've been apart of Twitter UX from the jump, all with a simple 'Subscribe ($X /month)' button, the overlap in their user interfaces is no accident. IG is already trying to do this as well already, but its niche limits its scale. I would hazard a guess that pre-Musk Twitter, for whatever reason, had fears around bringing payments onto the service, particularly in the case of sexual content and resolving that, but this led to a situation where other services spring up to fill that void. However, Twitter Blue was a case of having your cake-and-eating-it-too where I think Musk wanted a story on cash flow not dependent on ads ASAP. In truth, Twitter Blue should've exclusively been a service tier for creators who want to monetize content on Twitter; a case naturally requiring verificaiton. That would've given an incentive and a rationale to the extant pre-Musk creator class that bemoaned its introduction, but Musk really fucked that up by trying to exploit Right wing allegations of Twitter being biased towards the Left (which it never was, rather, the reverse was true[0]) to make up for freaking out advertisers. [0]https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-admits-bias-in-algorithm-for-rightwing-politicians-and-news-outlets https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-a...
- Capricorn2481 3y ago
  > I don't think it's nonsense. Patreon, OnlyFans, etc are basically things that should've been apart of Twitter UX from the jump, all with a simple 'Subscribe ($X /month)' button, the overlap in their user interfaces is no accident. IG is already trying to do this as well already, but its niche limits its scale. I'm not sure what you mean by its niche. There are way more Instagram users than Twitter ones, and they are way more exposed to products. It sounds like a much better fit for Instagram than Twitter.
- rat87 3y ago
  I don't see much overlap with Twitter and Patreon (or only fans). YouTube has more overlap with Patreon and did finally get a channel membership/paid subscription thing although I'm not sure how popular that is.
imtringued 3y ago
Actually it is closer to Zuckerberg‘s meta rebrand. You don't save a company by slapping in a new brand and wasting billions on VR without doing market research.
- Capricorn2481 3y ago
  Yes, that rebrand is also foolish, but it's not hard to see that Facebook is way better positioned to actually fulfill the "everything" app than others are. Facebook marketplace is huge.
burnte 3y ago
Plus I would think by this point in human events we understand that nothing that does everything actually does anything well. This is a terrible idea. At least he's had a financial hit because if it, nothing else has any change of convincing him otherwise. Even he knows it's a bad idea, which is why he never actually wor4ked towards it.

finikytou 3y ago

sam bankman-fried is closer to Musk opponents at every angle you look at. and btw those opponents crowned sam bankman fried while they hate musk in every newspaper you can buy in the US

Capricorn2481 3y ago
What opponents? You mean in the tech VC world? Cause the rest of us are disillusioned with both of them.
- finikytou 3y ago
  pretty much every newspaper, tv journalist and a big chunk of the politicians. its easy just look at everyone that gave money to Sam Bankman and try to link see what those people think of Musk. I guarantee you the spread will be something like 90% against Musk

_jal 3y ago

> It is frustrating to watch people continuously buy into his complete lack of vision or execution. "Hey, look over there! I'll make the 6 Million Dollar Man!" I'm pretty sure he just watches 80s TV for vaporware announcement ideas to use when there's bad press to suppress.

atourgates 3y ago

I really dislike Musk - but it does seem like sometimes - he has a really strong vision. Tesla and SpaceX and StarLink are really impressive from a "had a vision for something on a broadly positive world-changing scale, successfully executed it" perspective. With Twitter, I'm not sure he actually has a vision. The best realistic pro-Musk argument you can make is that he can be a real ass, but he's an ass whose companies tend to do amazing things. With Twitter, the best I can come up with is that he had a personal grudge against the platform, and the means to take pattiness to unheard of scales.

malermeister 3y ago
It almost feels Trumpian in its need to remove any trace of what was built before he took over.
- hef19898 3y ago
  Wait until he sues for the founder title.
  - cwkoss 3y ago
    Yeah, I suspect he's going to start calling himself "the creator/founder of X" soon
    - klyrs 3y ago
      That's technically accurate, isn't it? Twitter is the pea under a stack of shells named X, each founded by Musk. The accuracy of that title only loses specificity when he renames Twitter to X.
      - cwkoss 3y ago
        I FOUNDED THE HOLDING COMPANY GODDAMNIT! GIVE ME THE RESPECT I DESERVE!
    - vntok 3y ago

jasmer 3y ago

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imbnwa 3y ago

I don't think it's nonsense. Patreon, OnlyFans, etc are basically things that should've been apart of Twitter UX from the jump, all with a simple 'Subscribe ($X /month)' button, the overlap in their user interfaces is no accident. IG is already trying to do this as well already, but its niche limits its scale. I would hazard a guess that pre-Musk Twitter, for whatever reason, had fears around bringing payments onto the service, particularly in the case of sexual content and resolving that, but this led to a situation where other services spring up to fill that void. However, Twitter Blue was a case of having your cake-and-eating-it-too where I think Musk wanted a story on cash flow not dependent on ads ASAP. In truth, Twitter Blue should've exclusively been a service tier for creators who want to monetize content on Twitter; a case naturally requiring verificaiton. That would've given an incentive and a rationale to the extant pre-Musk creator class that bemoaned its introduction, but Musk really fucked that up by trying to exploit Right wing allegations of Twitter being biased towards the Left (which it never was, rather, the reverse was true[0]) to make up for freaking out advertisers. [0]https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-admits-bias-in-algorithm-for-rightwing-politicians-and-news-outlets https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-a...

Capricorn2481 3y ago
> I don't think it's nonsense. Patreon, OnlyFans, etc are basically things that should've been apart of Twitter UX from the jump, all with a simple 'Subscribe ($X /month)' button, the overlap in their user interfaces is no accident. IG is already trying to do this as well already, but its niche limits its scale. I'm not sure what you mean by its niche. There are way more Instagram users than Twitter ones, and they are way more exposed to products. It sounds like a much better fit for Instagram than Twitter.
rat87 3y ago
I don't see much overlap with Twitter and Patreon (or only fans). YouTube has more overlap with Patreon and did finally get a channel membership/paid subscription thing although I'm not sure how popular that is.

imtringued 3y ago

Actually it is closer to Zuckerberg‘s meta rebrand. You don't save a company by slapping in a new brand and wasting billions on VR without doing market research.

Capricorn2481 3y ago
Yes, that rebrand is also foolish, but it's not hard to see that Facebook is way better positioned to actually fulfill the "everything" app than others are. Facebook marketplace is huge.

burnte 3y ago

Plus I would think by this point in human events we understand that nothing that does everything actually does anything well. This is a terrible idea. At least he's had a financial hit because if it, nothing else has any change of convincing him otherwise. Even he knows it's a bad idea, which is why he never actually wor4ked towards it.