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Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists
- Daishiman 3y agoThe cascading events that might lead to the end of organized nation-states in many parts of the world due to climate change look like a real possibility now.
- ghiculescu 3y agoWhat sort of events do you forsee?
- Daishiman 3y agoDrought and flooding happening in many places in the world destabilizing grain prices. Agricultural risks consolidating ag into even more megacorps. Insurance costs making a lot of currently habitable places uninsurable, and after a few natural catastrophes nobody willing to settle in them. Wet-bulb temperatures making the deaths of a few hundred thousands of people a frequent occurrence in many parts of the world. Marine die-offs making the source of cheap high-quality protein in many places no longer accessible and lowering nutrition in several human populations.
- ChatGTP 3y agoWhat events don’t you see happening ? I can’t imagine things just “remaining the same” ?
- H8crilA 3y agoWhat can't you imagine remaining the same?
- ndsipa_pomu 3y agoSuccessful food harvests
- h0l0cube 3y agoIt’s not just food security, but also water security. Rainfall patterns are set to change globally, with more frequent and increasingly severe droughts and floods. It doesn’t look good for the world’s biggest economy either https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/details.cgi?aid=4028 https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/details.cgi?aid=4028
- ChatGTP 3y agoNot sure if you’re trolling ?
- H8crilA 3y agoI was. When I saw a chain of repeated questions I had to add mine.
- dvh 3y ago200 million people trying to get into (or get through) 5 million country
- throwaway33608 3y agoAs someone from a such country of 5 million, this crosses my mind almost daily now.
- Ekaros 3y agoI'm thankful that I'm living in such country with equal nice countries on one side and rather closed one on other. With enough space to probably house this population in future.
- myshpa 3y agoI see a lot of dead people and violence. Loss of glaciers in Himalaya ... 500 mil people on the move Tropic & wet bulb or 50+C temperatures ... 2 mld. people on the move Deforestations & droughts ... mass migrations, almost everybody affected Large scale crop failures (temperatures, droughts, polinators ...) ... famines, wars Biodiversity loses (it's critical) ... famines, huge loses for future ppl Thermohaline circulation slow/shutdown ... cooling of northern countries, agricultural loses, extreme events Loss of ice cover (Arctic, Greenland, Antarctic) ... rising oceans for several meters, major cities underwater Cascading tipping points ... who knows I'm starting to believe the sooner the system collapses, the better for the future of humanity.
- H8crilA 3y agoAt which point do you think humanity will start seriously thinking about radical solutions? Such as detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough dust above the troposphere to cool the planet down? I'm thinking we're still really far away. Migration from areas that become uninhabitable is still weak. And it doesn't look like any state that has substantial military/commercial/political power is interested in starting a fuss about it. Germany's Green party, probably the strongest climate centric party in the world, somehow thinks that potential nuclear reactor problems are just as bad as global warming.
- hanniabu 3y agoProbably never, the billionaires causing the issues can just create climate controlled bubbles to live in with the best technology for producing their own energy, clean water, and food. As long as they're able to run away from the problems then they'll never stop taking. Not to mention their lifetime won't get that bad on the scheme of things and they'll just love in parts of the world less affected.
- pipes 3y agoHow are billionaires causing climate change?
- nomel 3y agoThey run the companies that we throw our money at.
- jl6 3y agoIt gives some people comfort to think that complex problems have simple solutions. If it’s just the fault of the billionaires, that’s a small group that can be relatively easily targeted. The alternative is facing the uncomfortable truth that climate change is the aggregate of small decisions made every day by every human, and there is no single action that will address it.
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- croes 3y agoThe sad part is, it's not happening because we couldn't do anything but because we didn't do what we could. Remember the sinking island scene in Erik the Viking?
- ndsipa_pomu 3y agoWe should take note that even now we have companies pushing back against any changes to our oil consumption. They're literally intent on destroying our way of life to get a bit more profit.
- dbs 3y agoSource?
- ndsipa_pomu 3y agoSorry, about to go grab a train, so only had time to find a couple of Shell examples: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66108553 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66108553 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59154930 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59154930
- myshpa 3y agoIt's not just fossil fuels. "The factory of ignorance": Arte tells about these industrialists who manipulate science https://www.tellerreport.com/life/2021-02-23-%0A---%22the-factory-of-ignorance%22--arte-tells-about-these-industrialists-who-manipulate-science%0A--.SJbWVIfG_.html https://www.tellerreport.com/life/2021-02-23-%0A---%22the-fa... Inside big beef’s climate messaging machine: confuse, defend and downplay https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/03/beef-industry-public-relations-messaging-machine https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/03/beef-ind... Why Right-Wingers Are So Afraid of Men Eating Vegetables https://newrepublic.com/article/171781/meat-culture-war-crickets https://newrepublic.com/article/171781/meat-culture-war-cric... The meat industry is borrowing tactics from Big Oil to obfuscate the truth about climate change https://www.salon.com/2022/11/11/the-meat-industry-is-borrowing-tactics-from-big-oil-to-obfuscate-the-truth-about-climate-change/ https://www.salon.com/2022/11/11/the-meat-industry-is-borrow... Why the media too often ignores the connection between climate change and meat https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23778399/media-ignores-climate-change-beef-meat-dairy https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23778399/media-ignores-cl... How Big Oil is manipulating the way you think about climate change https://www.salon.com/2023/05/13/how-big-oil-is-manipulating-the-way-you-think-about-climate-change/ https://www.salon.com/2023/05/13/how-big-oil-is-manipulating... Disinformation and lies are spreading faster than Australia's bushfires https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/12/disinformation-and-lies-are-spreading-faster-than-australias-bushfires https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/12/disin... Rightwing war on ‘woke capitalism’ partly driven by fossil fuel interests and allies https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/22/rightwing-war-on-woke-capitalism-industry-interests https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/22/rightwing-wa... Senate Hearing Exposes 'Insidious' Dark Money Network Fueling Climate Crisis https://www.commondreams.org/news/senate-dark-money-climate https://www.commondreams.org/news/senate-dark-money-climate Report: 1,500 Big Oil Lobbyists “Double Agents” for Supposed Climate Champions https://truthout.org/articles/report-1500-big-oil-lobbyists-double-agents-for-supposed-climate-champions/ https://truthout.org/articles/report-1500-big-oil-lobbyists-... Chemical industry used big tobacco’s tactics to conceal evidence of PFAS risks https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/07/pfas-3m-dupont-chemical-industry-health-toxic-study https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/07/pfas-3m-... Analysis: Most research on PFAS harms is unpublicized https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/995593 https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/995593
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- defrost 3y agoLeaving aside the small matter of your entire take here being utterly wrong, there's this: > Even since the last ice age, within the existence of humanity, seas have risen 120 METERS. It had absolutely nothing to do with human activity. Do, seriously, check your sources. Now, go to the actual papers they cite. Now read them very very carefully. Do they actually say that global sea level changed by hundreds of metres? Or do they in fact discuss how tide marks on land forms (such as the UK and Antartica) show how the land forms rose by hundreds of metres after the massive weight of glaciers retreated? ie. Do they point out that other landforms (that had no glaciers or a more solid basin) have no such record of changing tide marks. I realise that this is fine detail stuff and you're clearly not a detail orientated person .. but do look into it. Best regards.
- RagnarD 3y agoLet's see, here's a link from the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (versus the zero links and puffed up posturing from you.) Even including a helpful grasp of sea levels over the past 25,000 years with various meltwater events which - gasp! - caused the seas to rise. https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/2007_gornitz_09/ https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/2007_gornitz_09/ "Climate warming is expected to result in rising sea level. Should this occur, coastal cities, ports, and wetlands would be threatened with more frequent flooding, increased beach erosion, and saltwater encroachment into coastal streams and aquifers. Global sea level has fluctuated widely in the recent geologic past. It stood 4-6 meters above the present during the last interglacial period, 125,000 years ago, but was 120 m lower at the peak of the last ice age, around 20,000 years ago. A study of past sea level fluctuations provides a longer-term geologic context, which can help us better anticipate future trends." Then there's the countless places worldwide with undersea artifacts right by the new coastline, submerged as sea levels rose. The close proximity would have caused the areas to rise along with the currently dry land, so it wasn't that, was it? Looking forward to more empty posturing devoid of facts, from you.
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- psychphysic 3y agoPay walled.
- defrost 3y agoIt's not clear why you would post that but it's certainly worth pointing out that climate change denialism has been funded since the mid 1970s and that the author of that opinion piece is Art Robinson, a recent Oregon State Senator and long time denier via his "Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine". While it adds nothing to the history of actual earth based science it is certainly an insight into the history climate change denialism. Above link in full: https://archive.is/qYWfn#selection-2095.58-2095.99 https://archive.is/qYWfn#selection-2095.58-2095.99 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Robinson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Robinson https://www.desmog.com/oregon-institute-science-and-medicine https://www.desmog.com/oregon-institute-science-and-medicine
- psychphysic 3y agoThanks for posting the link so I could see the article. I did only skim it, and I'm surprised. I don't think it's an unreasonable criticism for 1997. But that's over a quarter of a century ago. He accepts CO2 is probably released by humans and apparently at a rate the sinks can't cope. He accepts that CO2 and other greenhouse gasses can lead to warming. But says that the data thus far had not borne out global warming was happening. That's not unreasonable for the time. 25 more years of data and there is plenty to suggest that there is a global warming effect significantly contributed to by emissions. What is unreasonable is to take a theory that is that good axiomatically (he accepts all its assumptions as clearly evident) and say let's not look into this anymore. That's bonkers given the stakes.
- the8472 3y ago> But says that the data thus far had not borne out global warming was happening. Should we wait until predictions of bad outcomes become true and only then react? Has anyone tried adding a D part to the PI policy.
- psychphysic 3y agoNo one is really interested in doing the work to slow global warming. - Build nuclear power plants everywhere. Yes even in countries like Iran and North Korea - Don't subsidize fossil fuel use by any mechanism. Yes dropping the Russian fuel cap. - Make reducing emissions a priority that means it comes first in consideration. Yes ahead of Uighurs in China, Women in Iran and Afghanistan. You will not get everything you want. But if you believe climate change is civilization ending then you need to give up what you don't need. Just Stop Oil is super obnoxious but if climate change is destroying our planet why is it they still get openly assaulted in the street in a "first world" country? It's because people aren't even willing to be late to the cinema.
- geraneum 3y ago> Yes ahead of Uighurs in China, Women in Iran and Afghanistan. When they said these are important matters in TV, did you really believe them? These, among many other issues, are not even in the queue my friend.
- anonzzzies 3y agoStop cutting trees and turning forests (rain or otherwise) into Savanna's. 'For agriculture'.
- tcfhgj 3y ago~agriculture~ Meat
- MrVandemar 3y agoNo agriculture. Broadscale monoculture crops, grown and harvested and distributed with fossil-fuel inputs. Essentially an outdoors factory.
- dathos 3y agoAgriculture which is used to feed the animals. Look at soy in the Amazon, most is used in the meat industry
- atleastoptimal 3y agoWhich will occur first, irreversible worldwide climate catastrophe, or the technological singularity? Either way, the 2020s will be the most pivotal decade in human history.
- reverius42 3y agoOne (or both?) of those things has perhaps already happened.
- Ekaros 3y agoI wonder if we should instead embrace the climate change. We know that no one will accept stopping rising standards of living or even lowering them. As such we are not going to emit less in long run. Can we instead of make some changes on local level that effectively work with the climate change or minimise the impact? Might mean need to abandon some locations, but there has always been population movements.
- vkou 3y ago> Can we instead of make some changes on local level that effectively work with the climate change or minimise the impact? We can always get our towns ready to receive the millions of climate refugees we'll be creating.
- myshpa 3y agoTowns have no future in a collapse. Too hot, too water/fossil fuel dependent, too unsustainable.
- vkou 3y agoNo, it's the other way around. Towns and cities are actually far more resource efficient than rural and suburban sprawl. The only inefficient thing in them is highrises. But five-story buildings are incredibly infrastructure-efficient. Walking through a midrise neighborhood puts you past more people per minute, than driving 120 mph through a suburb.
- myshpa 3y ago> No, it's the other way around When everything works as intended. In a collapse everything changes. Imagine energy grid not working, no tap water, non-existent food supply, money is worthless ... such kind of future.
- vkou 3y ago> Imagine energy grid not working, no tap water, non-existent food supply, money is worthless ... such kind of future. Unless you're a subsistence peasant, which 99.9% of rural and semi-rural (suruban) people aren't, you're going to have the same exact problems from a lack of all those things.
- _l4jh 3y agoAnecdotal story time. We have a family villa in Spain about an hour and a half south of Alicante. We just got back from two weeks there like we do every year. The heat and humidity this time was the first time it was too much so that we didn’t enjoy our time there. We’ve had this place 21 years. Yes it’s Spain and it’s always hot which is why we bought it but this year was something else. The mix of both very high temps (higher than usual for July) and much higher humidity just made it very uncomfortable. We don’t usually need the AC on in July but we had to run it every night this time to be able to sleep. Even the pool wasn’t refreshing as it was a constant 33C whereas it is usually around 28-30. On the Wednesday night just gone we also had a heat burst. My first experience with such a thing and wow that was something else. It was like opening an oven door. The blast of scorching hot air in my face was almost suffocating. Of course there have always been outlier days that have been too damn hot over the past two decades but this time it was the whole two weeks. Not just the odd day. I dread to think that it will be like in August which is when the temps usually hit their highest. I’m a simple software guy I don’t pretend to know much about the climate but I listen and when thousands of scientists present data that shows average temps going up it makes me worry. If things continue like this some areas just won’t be reasonable to live or visit. They’re just not comfortable. You have to stay indoors as the sun roasts you in minutes and the humidity just makes you feel like crap constantly. Even our neighbours who live there are talking of moving as it isn’t a nice place to live anymore. You feel trapped indoors with AC and do all you can to avoid going outside. If these kinds of temperatures do continue to rise as predicted there is going to be a huge relocation of people to more liveable locations which is going to be a whole other problem. I live in [redacted] where we have hot temperatures in the summer but we have pretty good humidity and it rarely feels “too hot”. I have AC but almost never need to use it unless it climbs to around 40C for a few consecutive days so I am used to pretty hot but I just did not enjoy Spain these past two weeks and was so glad to arrive home last night to 29C.
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- bruce343434 3y agoEnjoy a high standard of living now that you still can. This ship is going down. Might as well make the most of it instead of trying to carry buckets of water out of the hull, it's futile. Humanity has spoken, this is collectively what we want on average. Is it good? Is it fair? It just is.
- myshpa 3y ago> Enjoy living now that you still can. Here, repaired it for you.
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- YeBanKo 3y agoEvery time this comes up, mostly people talk about driving less, eating less meat, etc. How about we fix stuff instead of throwing it out? In early 2000s my parents bought a washer machine, it still runs, it does run pretty well, then had to repair heating element at least once, but it runs just fine even now. It’s has every cycle you can possibly have. We had to replace our bosch after about 8 years of use. I can’t buy spare parts. Had to replace drain pump twice, not there is a hose that cracked and I just can’t buy a replacement with matching connector. Similar stories for a microwave, fridge, dishwasher, laptops and even vacuum cleaner. We need to force manufacturers to make things fixable. And mandate certain level of support for spare parts and batteries. Same with all types of connectors. I wish the US passed the passed the law requiring common charging port, common audio port(audio jack was perfect), etc. Audio jack removal by Apple and subsequently Google is an atrocity.