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The current conservative government is on its last legs before being banished for at least a decade. It appears they already have their eyes on the lucrative pr

by bb101 3y ago

The current conservative government is on its last legs before being banished for at least a decade. It appears they already have their eyes on the lucrative private sector and are willing to vandalise the UK with little thought to public protest.

laputan_machine 3y ago
Labour are even more in favour of this than the tories are. Lib Dems, too. No mainstream party in the UK values your privacy.
- bb101 3y ago
  I can't help but think the other parties would put forward better policies that don't alienate the electorate nor swathes of international business. Some would say the current conservative cabinet are the low-grade remnants of the recent party turmoil, and their policies demonstrate this. Unfortunately for us, they really have nothing to lose over the next year.
- maakjaii 3y ago
  Agreed, Sir Keith Starmer honestly seems like a relic from the Cold War
  - stephen_g 3y ago
    He’s from the same Labour right faction of those as conservative as any Tory, just pretending to do conservatism in a nicer way. Just like Blair, who ended up doing more of Thather’s plan to chip away at privatising bits of the NHS (through PFIs on hundreds of hospitals) than Thatcher managed. Not to mention the Iraq war…
    - r00fus 3y ago
      Correct - NewLab, just like the DLC (a subgroup of the Democrats) over in the US.
- KerrAvon 3y ago
  It’s really astonishing that Joe Biden seems to be generally to the left of the Labour party leadership. By USA standards Biden is a centrist moderate. We had the good sense to eject the Mark Penn “must go right-wing” types from mainstream Democratic circles; why didn’t Labour follow this path too?
  - shipscode 3y ago
    You’ve gotta be in a wild echo chamber if you consider Biden centrist moderate.
    - nxx788 3y ago
      Right? He's clearly center right. Sanders or Warren or AoC are centrist moderates. Or maybe center left. Kshama Sawant is a leftist. There are folks left of her. If you don't see Biden as centrist or even center right, you have a narrow view of the spectrum.
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  - sanitycheck 3y ago
    We have recently seen what happens when somebody even slightly left of centre gets anywhere near power in the UK. Our major parties are now squashed into the spectrum between the mean US Democrat and the mean US Republican, it's quite depressing.
    - downWidOutaFite 3y ago
      Are you referring to Jeremy Corbyn? He was brought down by a dishonest campaign by the Jewish lobby.
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      - 3y ago
- Roark66 3y ago
  I wonder if the UK ever decides to have a written constitution. On one hand they've been doing fine without one for centuries. On the other if this law passes the parliament that's it. There is no "constitutional court" to strike it down. No "president" to "not sign it". Etc.
  - zarzavat 3y ago
    The UK does have a system of judicial review and various laws are classed as “constitutional” (such as the Human Rights Act) and have special protection. The UK courts are currently weak because the government threatens their independence. But the same thing is happening in other countries such as Israel, so it’s not something that a written constitution can prevent. Ultimately the only thing that can guarantee judicial independence is for people to believe in it, and for people to take to the streets. Most British people just don’t care, that is the problem.
    - orangepurple 3y ago
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  - cjs_ac 3y ago
    > There is no "constitutional court" to strike it down. The Supreme Court exists for this very purpose, although it is subject to Parliamentary Sovereignty[0]. > No "president" to "not sign it". Bills do not become law until given Royal Assent by the King. The King may refuse to give Royal Assent to any bill, although this has not been done since 1708.[1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_Ki... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_assent#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_assent#United_Kingdom
  - daveoc64 3y ago
    The problem with relying on a written consititution is that it can easily be changed. The USA is in a position where it seems to be perpetually stuck in a 50/50 split of the elected government, so it's not possible for major constitutional reform to be passed by one party. On the other hand, the current government in the UK has a majority of 80 MPs - if there was a written constitution, it's likely they could simply pass a law to re-write it.
- dclowd9901 3y ago
  You should be more like us Americans and give it up of your own volition to any private company who gives you a moment of free entertainment.
- urbandw311er 3y ago
  We have been able to bug phones, homes, offices, whatever, for years to keep the country safe. If enough people had a major issue with that they’d start a new political party and vote it in. Personally I quite like it. Evidence suggests there’s quite a lot of people trying to blow us up and stuff.

by bb101 3y ago

laputan_machine 3y ago

Labour are even more in favour of this than the tories are. Lib Dems, too. No mainstream party in the UK values your privacy.

bb101 3y ago
I can't help but think the other parties would put forward better policies that don't alienate the electorate nor swathes of international business. Some would say the current conservative cabinet are the low-grade remnants of the recent party turmoil, and their policies demonstrate this. Unfortunately for us, they really have nothing to lose over the next year.
maakjaii 3y ago
Agreed, Sir Keith Starmer honestly seems like a relic from the Cold War
- stephen_g 3y ago
  He’s from the same Labour right faction of those as conservative as any Tory, just pretending to do conservatism in a nicer way. Just like Blair, who ended up doing more of Thather’s plan to chip away at privatising bits of the NHS (through PFIs on hundreds of hospitals) than Thatcher managed. Not to mention the Iraq war…
  - r00fus 3y ago
    Correct - NewLab, just like the DLC (a subgroup of the Democrats) over in the US.
KerrAvon 3y ago
It’s really astonishing that Joe Biden seems to be generally to the left of the Labour party leadership. By USA standards Biden is a centrist moderate. We had the good sense to eject the Mark Penn “must go right-wing” types from mainstream Democratic circles; why didn’t Labour follow this path too?
- shipscode 3y ago
  You’ve gotta be in a wild echo chamber if you consider Biden centrist moderate.
  - nxx788 3y ago
    Right? He's clearly center right. Sanders or Warren or AoC are centrist moderates. Or maybe center left. Kshama Sawant is a leftist. There are folks left of her. If you don't see Biden as centrist or even center right, you have a narrow view of the spectrum.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
- sanitycheck 3y ago
  We have recently seen what happens when somebody even slightly left of centre gets anywhere near power in the UK. Our major parties are now squashed into the spectrum between the mean US Democrat and the mean US Republican, it's quite depressing.
  - downWidOutaFite 3y ago
    Are you referring to Jeremy Corbyn? He was brought down by a dishonest campaign by the Jewish lobby.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - 3y ago
Roark66 3y ago
I wonder if the UK ever decides to have a written constitution. On one hand they've been doing fine without one for centuries. On the other if this law passes the parliament that's it. There is no "constitutional court" to strike it down. No "president" to "not sign it". Etc.
- zarzavat 3y ago
  The UK does have a system of judicial review and various laws are classed as “constitutional” (such as the Human Rights Act) and have special protection. The UK courts are currently weak because the government threatens their independence. But the same thing is happening in other countries such as Israel, so it’s not something that a written constitution can prevent. Ultimately the only thing that can guarantee judicial independence is for people to believe in it, and for people to take to the streets. Most British people just don’t care, that is the problem.
  - orangepurple 3y ago
    [flagged]
- cjs_ac 3y ago
  > There is no "constitutional court" to strike it down. The Supreme Court exists for this very purpose, although it is subject to Parliamentary Sovereignty[0]. > No "president" to "not sign it". Bills do not become law until given Royal Assent by the King. The King may refuse to give Royal Assent to any bill, although this has not been done since 1708.[1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_Ki... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_assent#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_assent#United_Kingdom
- daveoc64 3y ago
  The problem with relying on a written consititution is that it can easily be changed. The USA is in a position where it seems to be perpetually stuck in a 50/50 split of the elected government, so it's not possible for major constitutional reform to be passed by one party. On the other hand, the current government in the UK has a majority of 80 MPs - if there was a written constitution, it's likely they could simply pass a law to re-write it.
dclowd9901 3y ago
You should be more like us Americans and give it up of your own volition to any private company who gives you a moment of free entertainment.
urbandw311er 3y ago
We have been able to bug phones, homes, offices, whatever, for years to keep the country safe. If enough people had a major issue with that they’d start a new political party and vote it in. Personally I quite like it. Evidence suggests there’s quite a lot of people trying to blow us up and stuff.